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"The stream of knowledge is heading towards a non-mechanical reality; the Universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter... we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter." - Sir James Jeans

 

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I am thinking how close this concept (above) seems to be to the neidan concept that the physical body proceeds from Original Essence and the thinking mind proceeds from Original Spirit.

 

 

 

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  On 11/28/2018 at 12:22 AM, Marblehead said:

Well, being the materialist that I am, I simply can't agree with that.  Oh well.

 

 

Did you read the attached essay?  

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  On 11/28/2018 at 12:27 AM, Bindi said:

 

Did you read the attached essay?  

I started but had to stop.  Perhaps I would have said something else had I read it all the way through.

 

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There is another benefit of seeing the world as quantum mechanical: someone who has learned to accept that nothing exists but observations is far ahead of peers who stumble through physics hoping to find out 'what things are'. If we can 'pull a Galileo,' and get people believing the truth, they will find physics a breeze.

The Universe is immaterial — mental and spiritual. Live, and enjoy.

 

Did the earth only started to exist at the moment that the first conscious creatures on it first observed it?

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Even if you wrote out a "correct theory" that would certainly not mean that anyone here reading it .... is in the correct state.
Entering the correct state is not the result of reading a correct theory.
That's the problem with these kinds of authors, they don't really understand that more theories is not inner change.
Most of them are using spirituality as another ego game and may not be in any way connected to the soul of the path.
Also the Earth does not go round the Sun nor did Gallileo succeed in convincing everyone, nor did Newton discover gravity ... but it makes for a great story !!!!!
He says the world is Quantum Mechanical ... what on earth does that mean.
"And we must learn to perceive it as such."
.... thanks .... .... ... how ?
- oh the book ended - 
- well that's great !!!! -

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He's essentially expounding a Yogacara view, the mind only school of Buddhism. 

Scientists often see this illusory perspective of what's "out there" but rarely turn that light of awareness back at itself.

Turning that light back at the observer leads to the Madhyamika view.

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My personal view, is the "I don't have a view, view"....... mind, matter, reality, illusion are only words, not good, not bad.  The seeing life as it is, is beyond words,  but it is still fun to fuck around with them.  LOL

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  On 11/30/2018 at 8:53 PM, Zen Pig said:

My personal view, is the "I don't have a view, view"....... mind, matter, reality, illusion are only words, not good, not bad.  The seeing life as it is, is beyond words,  but it is still fun to fuck around with them.  LOL

 

You may of course declare that you don't have a view, but as soon as you act (or even if you don't act) then the way in which you act will betray your implicit view of life. For instance: you posted the above message, so it's likely that you thought that there are actually people (other Bums) reading your message on their computer screen.

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yes, very true. even the "I don't know view" is a view, which brings us back to the idea of words.  fun, but not something I would hang my hat on.  :)

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  On 11/30/2018 at 9:14 PM, Zen Pig said:

yes, very true. even the "I don't know view" is a view, which brings us back to the idea of words.  fun, but not something I would hang my hat on.  :)

 

I don't see how you can avoid choosing something to hang your hat on, if that is what you wish to do... ;)

 

And that choice again presupposes an expectation that the chosen "thing" to hang your hat on is more than just an observation that goes up in smoke when you look away.

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The article is new-agey nonsense. "The Universe is immaterial — mental and spiritual. " Whose spirit we talking about?

It is also factually wrong

 

  On 11/28/2018 at 12:03 AM, Bindi said:

Galileo Galilei, this changed. In establishing that the Earth goes around the Sun, Galileo

 

He did nothing of the sort. Earth orbiting sun was known to ancient Greeks. In pre-modern times, it was theorized by Copernicus in 1543, 20 years before GG was even born.

 

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 following the death of Copernicus and before Galileo, heliocentrism was relatively uncontroversial;[68] Copernicus's work was used by Pope Gregory XIII to reform the calendar in 1582.[a]

 

All he did was  suggesting a false proof for heliocentrism, somewhat  popularizing it in the process .

 

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As a general account of the cause of tides, however, his theory was a failure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei#Galileo,_Kepler_and_theories_of_tides

 

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  On 11/30/2018 at 9:37 PM, wandelaar said:

I don't see how you can avoid choosing something to hang your hat on,

I get that.  I don't have a clue how I choose anything.  Not trying to be glib, but It is fun to talk about. Like I said, not good, not bad, as far as I have seen to date. of course my "view" changes every day, and yet it all seems to work out, ...../ so far, but that to might change.  My rhetorical question: "how would life be right now, if we could never know anything for sure"???  like I say, rhetorical question. not really meant to be answered, but no problem if anyone wants to either.

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  On 11/30/2018 at 11:04 PM, Zen Pig said:

My rhetorical question: "how would life be right now, if we could never know anything for sure"???  like I say, rhetorical question. not really meant to be answered, but no problem if anyone wants to either.

 

Simple: you would have to depend on your intuitive or instinctual understandings. Why? Because in that case there is no sense in forcing yourself to go against what you strongly feel as being the correct approach. Kind of like how animals act. And the explanation of why it generally works is the same: evolution.

 

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