Selflessness Is A Deceit

[rideforever]

I find Ayn Rand absolutely convincing in every way ... for the application of her ideas to one's life, perhaps not to society as a whole.
Selflessness as it is commonly understood is just a lie that leads to everyone lying about what they want, and fake world, it is degeneration into the false self.
One must before anything honour one's one personal happiness and consciousness.
 

 

Edited December 2, 2018 by rideforever

[rideforever]

Hmm.   I see them natter spiritually, when Dalai Lama says "my religion is happiness", he is pointing at the same thing -or at least should be.
Something interesting is that in Christian circles of which I am a member, people often talk of JC's second commandment that one should love one's neighbour as oneself ... but they never talk of JC's first commandment that you should love God (your inner consciousness and truth) with all your love mind and soul.   
And even the 2nd commandment about your neighbour .... well how do you love yourself ?  In JC's case he was quite tough on himself meditating for hours every night and he had his own mission to pursue, when he helped others he told them to keep it quiet.
How far from that are the modern Christians who blow their trumpets helping helping helping .... that is a wrong interpretation.   How many amongst them have their own personal life goals.
It's just so easy to play in the emotionality of "helping others" .... it is not a sincere place.
Helping others means by-example and leadership and knowing something about something, takes courage.

 

Buddha / Osho and other spiritual teachers .... in their personal journeys they were absolutely greedy and ruthless.   How strange it is that the followers of religions are often cowardly sitters around.  But ok maybe one can presume the vedic idea of 4 classes of people, the Brahmin, the Warriors, the Merchants, the Cleaners.  And if this is the organisation of society it will yield the best result.

At the moment the collective-ant-mind-social-media seems to be reducing the consciousness of people to insect like level, were maybe social policy is more appropriate.   Ants don't have the concept of consciousness in their culture.

In this society the laws of Corporations are a disaster they protect people from real competition and business owners from prosecution and are against Rand's ideas, in fact she says it would the worst disaster if capitalists were protected by the state - and it is.

 

Anyway being more than halfway through my life and having lived the whole time in a socialist state of sorts, I am not sure I can wield these ideas very well .... but I can think about what it is I want, and drop all this endless worrying about everyone else, and regard the perfection of my own being as my goal ... which clarifies a lot.

Edited December 2, 2018 by rideforever

[wandelaar]

Nonsense! The simplicity and seductiveness of Ayn Rand's ideas lies in the fact that she presents a partial truth and declares it to be the ultimate truth. In this she is no better than the religions or ideologies that she attacks.

 

As always: the best road is the middle way.

[rideforever]

49 minutes ago, wandelaar said:

As always: the best road is the middle way.

 

Hey.  I am interested to discuss.
Just saying it's wrong .... why ?  Can be specific looking at it from different angles ????
What is it you see ?
And what is the middle way and how does this middle way supposed to work for whom ?

 

 

Interestingly I see many people who love Rand saying that being an entrepreneur creates opportunities in society, but in my opinion they once again are referring to victimhood and helping helping helping violin playing.
What Rand is pointing to is be aware the God made you to be you.   
You are an organ of God and you reject it.
Trying to bury your head in the ground so you don't have to be awake, always referring to others and violin playing.
God rolls his eyes.
Arise, he says. ... I have made you as an organ of existence, have no shame to be what you are, uncover that.

Those industrialists who say I want money and nothing but money don't get it either.   Just like with JC, it's rare to understand.

Edited December 2, 2018 by rideforever

[wandelaar]

I don't think one can actually prove anything as regards moral choices. So she is right in attacking ideologies and religions that claim to know how one has to behave. But ironically Ayn Rand didn't leave it at that, but she wanted us to embrace her own dogmatic ideology in stead of the old ones.

[rideforever]

And Rand is a true Taoist !!!!   
Yes indeed.
She wants generation, a society of generators, i.e. those that marry Yin/Yang to create create create.
She loves conscious creation.
That is Taoism, look away if you can't bear it.
She has a strong respect for the balance of masculine / feminine forces, about the generative nature of love.

Her morality is quite clear, balance male / female and generate ...and she points out how the moochers (gain through tears) and looters (gain through organised theft) are refusing to generate.

Yes this is Conscious Taoism in action.

 

Laozi says that the Sage stands aside from the crowds, he does not play their games, he loves The Way, and balances Yin Yang to Create Yuan .... because he loves creation.

 

Well she isn't wholly Taoist, but a large part is .... she sensed the value of it.

 

Laozi says that the Sage fills bellies ... and closes mouths.
In our leftie world of "values" (puke) it's all words and no hard work, no real generation, no courage, just words words words words.
Again she is allied with him.

Edited December 2, 2018 by rideforever

[wandelaar]

Sounds like just another religion to me, complete with the misplaced arrogance of those who reckon themselves to the elect.

 

Conscious creation is the opposite of Taoism in the spirit of Lao tzu and Chuang tzu. You have to move beyond your Ego to follow the Way.

[rideforever]

11 minutes ago, wandelaar said:

You have to move beyond your Ego to follow the Way.

 

Well who is the Sage ?   The Sage is a man who is willing to stand aside from the multitudes, who rejects what others do and sets his own course, he loves the natural and true harmony of existence that is prior to him, and he merges with it.  
That is not a "nobody" ... that is a somebody.
And I think the ego business is very much misunderstood.
Did Buddha leave the palace and work so hard because he was nobody.
No, he was a somebody with his own inner drive and will and he loved the truth.

I am afraid mankind is very much confused.

Edited December 2, 2018 by rideforever

[wandelaar]

A Taoist sage is not a nobody, but somebody who realises his insignificance in the greater scheme of things. See how Lao tzu describes himself:

 

Quote

Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 20

Give up learning, and put an end to your troubles.

Is there a difference between yes and no?
Is there a difference between good and evil?
Must I fear what others fear? What nonsence!
Other people are contented, enjoying the sacrificial feast of the ox.
In spring some go to the park, and climb the terrace,
But I alone am drifting not knowing where I am.
Like a new-born babe before it learns to smile,
I am alone, without a place to go.

Other have more than they need, but I alone have nothing.
I am a fool. Oh, yes! I am confused.
Other men are clear and bright,
But I alone am dim and weak.
Other men are sharp and clever,
But I alone am dull and stupid.
Oh, I drift like the waves of the sea.
Without direction, like the restless wind.

Everyone else is busy,
But I alone am aimless and depressed.
I am different.
I am nourished by the great mother.


(translation by Gia-fu Feng and Jane English)

 

The Sage both knows his own worth and his own futility.

[rideforever]

34 minutes ago, wandelaar said:

The Sage both knows his own worth and his own futility.

He knows the futility of society and its delusions.
Because he is bright and sharp and can feel the Truth.
He is great because he is ... undeceived.

What kind of man can pass so many judgements on society ?

The path is to come out of the false self, and become conscious of truth, apart from mechanical thinking (mechanical victimhood) and be conscious and act from your truth.
Then you are a Sage and deserve a name.

[wandelaar]

I hope you are happy with your new (anti-)religion, and we will no doubt hear more about it in your coming posts.

[shortstuff]

On 02/12/2018 at 10:04 AM, rideforever said:

What Rand is pointing to is be aware the God made you to be you.   

You are an organ of God and you reject it.
 

If that is the case, the whole spiritual journey of who am I and the path to enlightenment is a rejection.

Say we are in fact all part of One thing (God aka consciousness) and the point to our lives is experience so God can learn. If this is true then spending 30 years trying to become enlightened is rejecting what God created us for. Instead we would be better off going out every night, taking cocaine and partying.

However intuition leads us to the former not the latter and intuition is supposed to be Higher Self, outside of the ego...pure selflessness Self...

[rideforever]

42 minutes ago, shortstuff said:

If that is the case, the whole spiritual journey of who am I and the path to enlightenment is a rejection.

Say we are in fact all part of One thing (God aka consciousness) and the point to our lives is experience so God can learn. If this is true then spending 30 years trying to become enlightened is rejecting what God created us for. Instead we would be better off going out every night, taking cocaine and partying.

However intuition leads us to the former not the latter and intuition is supposed to be Higher Self, outside of the ego...pure selflessness Self...

 

It is good to use one's intelligence try to understand the meaning behind words.   Then you might discover that your views are identical, and the need for conflict vanishes.