Apech Posted December 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Nungali said: Onl Only in extreme circumstances ( like extreme cold ) Shrinkage! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted December 15, 2018 58 minutes ago, yuuichi said: What is the dude sticks a finger up his ass like in prostate examinations and then becomes hard that way? There’s no craving there, but it happens. ... and this , is how the 'desire less Universe ' created itself ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddie Posted December 15, 2018 This still begs the question, if one has no desire for sex, why would one have sex? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted December 15, 2018 18 minutes ago, Aetherous said: I don't think enlightened ones are impotent, and I think they can still have sex...they just don't cling mentally. To either 'be attracted by' or 'have to avoid' (two ways of dealing with a 'mental cling' ) is not 'enlightenment' . e I once heard an elderly Lama speak about his girlfriend back home. A woman listening questioned him; "But you are a monk ! " "Yes." he smiled . Woman ; " But you are not supposed to have sex ! " "Well, " Lama replied " I am 79 years old " (it seemed 'desire' was not necessary to have a 'girl friend' ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted December 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, Apech said: Shrinkage! He's in there somewhere 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted December 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, dmattwads said: This still begs the question, if one has no desire for sex, why would one have sex? To create a vehicle for the incarnation of a bodhisattva Spoiler yeah yeah .... I know ! Now you gonna say I 'desire' another bodhisattva here . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted December 15, 2018 (edited) The 32 Signs of a Great Man[edit] Seated Buddha, Gandhara, 1st-2nd century CE. Tokyo National Museum The Buddha is traditionally regarded as having the Thirty-two Characteristics of a Great Man (Skt. mahāpuruṣa lakṣaṇa).[7] These thirty-two characteristics are also regarded as being present in cakravartin kings as well.[7] The Digha Nikaya, in the "Discourse of the Marks" (Pali: Lakkhaṇa Sutta) (DN 30) enumerates and explains the 32 characteristics.[2]These are also enumerated in the Brahmāyu Sutta of the Majjhima Nikāya (MN 91). The 32 major characteristics are:[8] Level feet Thousand-spoked wheel sign on feet Long, slender fingers Pliant hands and feet Toes and fingers finely webbed Full-sized heels Arched insteps Thighs like a royal stag Hands reaching below the knees Well-retracted male organ Height and stretch of arms equal Every hair-root dark colored Body hair graceful and curly Golden-hued body Ten-foot aura around him Soft, smooth skin Soles, palms, shoulders, and crown of head well-rounded Area below armpits well-filled Lion-shaped body Body erect and upright Full, round shoulders Forty teeth Teeth white, even, and close Four canine teeth pure white Jaw like a lion Saliva that improves the taste of all food Tongue long and broad Voice deep and resonant Eyes deep blue[9] Eyelashes like a royal bull White ūrṇā curl that emits light between eyebrows Fleshy protuberance on the crown of the head Edited December 15, 2018 by Apech 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sustainablefarm86 Posted December 16, 2018 3 hours ago, dmattwads said: This still begs the question, if one has no desire for sex, why would one have sex? To check if everything still works Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Everything Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, King Jade said: To check if everything still works That is funny. However. If one is enlightened, they simply don't feel the need to have sex, (and yes they can, but only through their unwavering capability and freedom) because the pleasure they feel is more full body, and more consistent and more expansive in nature, due to their physical alignment with their greater non-physical pure positive being. So you could describe it as a constant full body orgasm made out of pure white light. But it is not like that at all. Their physical being is simply not having any resistance to the constant flow of pure positive energy from their Source. That is why sex is not a big deal to them. For us, it is a very high flying energy, that is fast, and thus our inability to translate it or perceive it or realise it for, makes it appear to be "less" Their pleasure is not less, it is just that they are more sensitive and more capable of translating the greater totality of their non-physical being. That always makes it more for them. This state of being also contains no doubt. It is infinitely worthy and infinitely capable and deserving. It is also who we actually truely are. The core essence of our nature. And the eternal Source of our being. We can never be disconnected from that. Not completely. But we can have resistance in our mixture of energy, that can allow one to experience a "less" state of being. And that is always simple and easy and effortless to let go of. Unless the momentum of the resistant energy is very heavy, then it has to play itself out, due to the momentum of how energy works. That is always temporary in nature and discomfort. For you can never truely be disconnected from who you truely are as the totality of your being. These are just small experiences of resistance in the greater totality of existance that is abounded by the ever expanding well-being at the foundation of its creation that always allows for a better experience. In all spaces and places. Unconditionally, unbound by conditions, unconditionally worthy, as who we all are. By the very nature of our existance. And it is only non-physical if you have not yet learned to recognize it and thus realise it. Cause you've simply not yet allowed yourself to look at it as it already is, and exists and has always existed and will forever exist in and as the ever expanding nature of who we truely already always are. Edited December 16, 2018 by Everything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted December 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Apech said: The 32 Signs of a Great Man[edit] Seated Buddha, Gandhara, 1st-2nd century CE. Tokyo National Museum The Buddha is traditionally regarded as having the Thirty-two Characteristics of a Great Man (Skt. mahāpuruṣa lakṣaṇa).[7] These thirty-two characteristics are also regarded as being present in cakravartin kings as well.[7] The Digha Nikaya, in the "Discourse of the Marks" (Pali: Lakkhaṇa Sutta) (DN 30) enumerates and explains the 32 characteristics.[2]These are also enumerated in the Brahmāyu Sutta of the Majjhima Nikāya (MN 91). The 32 major characteristics are:[8] Level feet Thousand-spoked wheel sign on feet Long, slender fingers Pliant hands and feet Toes and fingers finely webbed Full-sized heels Arched insteps Thighs like a royal stag Hands reaching below the knees Well-retracted male organ Height and stretch of arms equal Every hair-root dark colored Body hair graceful and curly Golden-hued body Ten-foot aura around him Soft, smooth skin Soles, palms, shoulders, and crown of head well-rounded Area below armpits well-filled Lion-shaped body Body erect and upright Full, round shoulders Forty teeth Teeth white, even, and close Four canine teeth pure white Jaw like a lion Saliva that improves the taste of all food Tongue long and broad Voice deep and resonant Eyes deep blue[9] Eyelashes like a royal bull White ūrṇā curl that emits light between eyebrows Fleshy protuberance on the crown of the head Well now ! I was thinking, If I had written here such a list about the perfect woman ......... But after deeper meditation , perhaps this list was written by a woman ...... (sign 10 and 27 be a dead giveaway ) . ..... on 2nd thought, no I cant resist , I am gonna have to comment on this list further ..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted December 16, 2018 ...... by the way , its not just the Buddhist 'perfect man' , the Greeks thought similar. Have you ever wondered why See ; “Penile representations in ancient Greek art” . conducted in 2013 by the University of Athens and published in the US National Library of Medicine. - “The examination of a great number of penile representations from the ancient Greek pottery and sculpture and the review of the ancient theater plays (satiric dramas and comedies)” (Rempelakos, Tsiamis, and Poulakou-Rebelakou, 2013). The ancient Greek ideal man was not a lustful lover but a wise public servant. “Greeks associated small and non-erect penises with moderation, which was one of the key virtues that formed their view of ideal masculinity,” explains classics professor Andrew Lear, who has taught at Harvard, Columbia, and NYU. “There is the contrast between the small, non-erect penises of ideal men (heroes, gods, nude athletes etc.) and the over-size, erect penises of Satyrs (mythic half-goat-men, who are drunkards and wildly lustful) and various non-ideal men. Decrepit, elderly men, for instance, often have large penises.” (Goldhill, 2016) - (even though modern studies identify onr of the causes of 'shrinkage' as 'old age') Indeed, there are many sculptures from this time that show large penises, but they are not of Zeus. For example, one god who is always depicted as ‘well-endowed’ by modern standards is Priapus, god of fertility, protector of livestock and gardens. Priapus is the son of Aphrodite (goddess of beauty) and Dionysus (god of wine). While still in the womb, Priapus was cursed by Hera (wife of Zeus) to be forever impotent, foul-minded, and ugly (she cursed him because Paris choose Aphrodite, see The Iliad ). He was so grotesque that the other gods refused to allow him to live with them. So he was raised by lustful satyrs. Forever filled with lust, there are several myths in which Priapus tries to rape sleeping goddesses, nymphs, and maidens. But each time he loses his erection before he can. He is a ridiculous figure and always portrayed with an enormous penis. In addition to mythical creatures, ancient Greeks saw other negative examples of large penises: the barbarians. In addition to being foolish, a large penis indicated a person was uncivilized. Remember, at this point in history Greece was something of an island of civilization amid more primitive hunter-gather tribes who frequently tried to raid Greek towns. For better or worse, a barbarian stereotype of crazed men ruled by their lustful urges emerged. “Many barbarians surrounding Greece whom had raided and warred with Greece had demonstrated their penis worship and such practices were therefore a sign of barbarism and cultural vacuum in the eyes of the Greeks” (Admin, 2016). Whether a fool or a barbarian, large penises were considered signs of a man ruled by desire (not rationality) and were associated with uncivilized, animal-like behaviors. https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/real-reason-men-classical-portrayals-were-given-small-manhoods-008127 ....... hmmmm ..... wonder what this says about our current cultural paradigm in this area ? Spoiler I apologise for my unusual LACK of back up visuals in this post 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, King Jade said: To check if everything still works Just go to the doctor for a check up . Edited December 16, 2018 by Nungali 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spotless Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) It would be incorrect to say an Enlightened person “cannot have sex”. That would imply a physical disfunction. If the definition of Enlightenment is the cessation of suffering - it does not imply any disfunction of the physical capability and may or may not effect continued sexual engagement. If the definition of Enlightenment is both the cessation of suffering and freedom from rebirth as well as numerous subtle bodies changes - disfunction does not take place but it is quite likely that sexual activity and engagement have nearly or entirely ceased. At such time as this change does or does not take place - it will not in any way seem like a loss - like having lost something - it will not feel like a loss of virility - it will not be missed (even if it was a big part of previous personhood - it will be of zero concern and it will not weigh upon one in the least). One will no longer get lost in momentum’s - DNA markers will not climb into you - sympathetic resonance will draw no quarter and life will be more vivid than ever. And concerns about Futures and Pasts will cease as time and space fall away - this is perhaps the key to understanding what cannot be understood in this - the energies are not withdrawn from - they are thousands of times greater and finer and more vivid - but in Light - not in the candied relative dense branded identifications of momentum’s and constrains. Everything is Light - Objectless Consciousness is not a cardboard Consciousness nor is it simply Samadhi - in these “realms” - abidance in them transforms all the subtle bodies. Not in abandon or trance - that would be to miss the mark in child’s play. Trance is nothing in this - this beingness is visceral Light (far higher than sex on any level - and in a freedom beyond bound) Edited December 16, 2018 by Spotless 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fa Xin Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Apech said: The 32 Signs of a Great Man[edit] Seated Buddha, Gandhara, 1st-2nd century CE. Tokyo National Museum The Buddha is traditionally regarded as having the Thirty-two Characteristics of a Great Man (Skt. mahāpuruṣa lakṣaṇa).[7] These thirty-two characteristics are also regarded as being present in cakravartin kings as well.[7] The Digha Nikaya, in the "Discourse of the Marks" (Pali: Lakkhaṇa Sutta) (DN 30) enumerates and explains the 32 characteristics.[2]These are also enumerated in the Brahmāyu Sutta of the Majjhima Nikāya (MN 91). The 32 major characteristics are:[8] Level feet Thousand-spoked wheel sign on feet Long, slender fingers Pliant hands and feet Toes and fingers finely webbed Full-sized heels Arched insteps Thighs like a royal stag Hands reaching below the knees Well-retracted male organ Height and stretch of arms equal Every hair-root dark colored Body hair graceful and curly Golden-hued body Ten-foot aura around him Soft, smooth skin Soles, palms, shoulders, and crown of head well-rounded Area below armpits well-filled Lion-shaped body Body erect and upright Full, round shoulders Forty teeth Teeth white, even, and close Four canine teeth pure white Jaw like a lion Saliva that improves the taste of all food Tongue long and broad Voice deep and resonant Eyes deep blue[9] Eyelashes like a royal bull White ūrṇā curl that emits light between eyebrows Fleshy protuberance on the crown of the head Forty teeth!!!!! Eyelashes like a royal bull!!!!! these are Hilarious. Thanks for sharing. Edited December 16, 2018 by Fa Xin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Fa Xin said: Forty teeth!!!!! Eyelashes like a royal bull!!!!! these are Hilarious. Thanks for sharing. I'm always impressed with "hands reaching below the knees". 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spotless Posted December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Aetherous said: I'm always impressed with "hands reaching below the knees". 4 elbow joints - 😎 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doc benway Posted December 16, 2018 20 hours ago, dmattwads said: This still begs the question, if one has no desire for sex, why would one have sex? To offer pleasure or offspring to one's partner. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheshire Cat Posted December 16, 2018 If you look at certain tantric deities, the so called yab-yum couples... you may notice that they appear to be fully functional. Those deities are supposed to be enlightened. So, if you get tantric Buddhist enlightenment, you're given a lotus seat, various sun and moon disk mandalas and a consort for sex. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Aetherous said: I'm always impressed with "hands reaching below the knees". .... and having four elbows .... pssst ... got any pics of women with LOOOOOONG beautiful legs (and four knees ) Edited December 16, 2018 by Nungali Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted December 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, Cheshire Cat said: If you look at certain tantric deities, the so called yab-yum couples... you may notice that they appear to be fully functional. Those deities are supposed to be enlightened. So, if you get tantric Buddhist enlightenment, you're given a lotus seat, various sun and moon disk mandalas and a consort for sex. Maybe its like in the hare Krishna movement ...... they beam about and even seem , somehow, proud of , the story about Krishna dorking a hundred milkmaids ...... but not THEM , they are not supposed to have sex , just admire their supposed emulant for having sex. Anywayz ..... someone up there ^ got close to a very interesting observation .... just didnt take the next logical step to where their thought could lead ...... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted December 16, 2018 18 hours ago, Everything said: That is funny. However. If one is enlightened, they simply don't feel the need to have sex, (and yes they can, but only through their unwavering capability and freedom) Yes, they dont NEED to ... they are not 'driven to' or by or must have ..... they are not lead by desire to .... but they can . 18 hours ago, Everything said: because the pleasure they feel is more full body, and more consistent and more expansive in nature, due to their physical alignment with their greater non-physical pure positive being. So you could describe it as a constant full body orgasm made out of pure white light. But it is not like that at all. Their physical being is simply not having any resistance to the constant flow of pure positive energy from their Source. That is why sex is not a big deal to them. And, when that state is achieved, and the body feels that way, THEN a higher function of sex CAN be experienced. Do people suppose sexual tantra is actually practised by those that are not in this state ? Naaah ! That isnt tantra ... thats people trying to practice tantra while they are all still conditioned and wired to ..... who the hell knows what ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted December 16, 2018 57 minutes ago, Nungali said: pssst ... got any pics of women with LOOOOOONG beautiful legs (and four knees ) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrpasserby Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) Thanks for the Cultivation one and all, I was worried about being recycled, but now I know that I half a chance: Nirvana The literal meaning is "blowing out" or "quenching." It marks the soteriological release from rebirths in saṃsāra. Edited December 19, 2018 by mrpasserby superfluous quotes, and removed my nickname(caused confusion in post) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrpasserby Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) @Everything I am impressed with your knowledge: "And, when that state is achieved, and the body feels that way, THEN a higher function of sex CAN be experienced." NO Touching-or-NO magic Edited December 19, 2018 by mrpasserby superfluous quotes, and removed my nickname(caused confusion in post) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
