Did the U.S. really go to the moon in 1969?

[Apech]

The moon is hollow - the earth is flat.  FACTS.

[Nungali]

26 minutes ago, Lost in Translation said:

 

I'm talking about telescopes.

 

Frankly this conversation is stupid. Let's go back to something civil like Mo Pai.

 

 

' Moon - pai '

[zerostao]

frankly, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. a handful of rocks does not cut it.

[Apech]

Just now, zerostao said:

frankly, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. a handful of rocks does not cut it.

 

 

how about some cheese?

[3bob]

well hell, trump was there in 69 making the moon great again, he also brought back some its green cheese which turned him orange after eating it.  

[thelerner]

We don't go back to the moon for monetary and political reasons.  The original support vehicles from '68 to '72 are unsurprisingly gone, ie what was said poorly on a youtube video.  They were all extraordinarily expensive and custom made.  With modern tech we could go faster, cheaper and safer but its still billions and we don't have the political will, for better or worse.

 

However there seem to be government and commercial proposals out there.  As we get better at space travel, the odds of returning to the moon in our life are pretty good.  And odds of some new satellites circling the moon and taking more high res photos are even better.  not that they'll be believed by the hard core. 

[Nungali]

Actually , we have already filmed the 'next' Moon landing .

 

 

 

[Stosh]

9 minutes ago, zerostao said:

https://www.rt.com/usa/436717-pence-soyuz-space-reliance/

" However, Pence's big plans for space will face a large logistical hurdle: the United States currently has no domestic rocket program that can send human crews into orbit."

We also wouldn't build the Brooklyn bridge as it was done when labor was cheaper , and faith in the tech was important to establish.

Doubting "scientists" however opens up the possibility that there are large birds somewhere , that can take us to the moon Now , a round trip of approximately 200 miles.

[Lost in Translation]

5 minutes ago, Stosh said:

Doubting "scientists" however opens up the possibility that there are large birds somewhere , that can take us to the moon Now , a round trip of approximately 200 miles.

 

You mean Chocobo? I had one once. It could run over mountains and across oceans!

[thelerner]

17 minutes ago, zerostao said:

frankly, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. a handful of rocks does not cut it.

What if we did it 5 times?  Isn't that better then once?  We have eye witnesses.  All the astronauts, all the support staff, all the technicians and people monitoring and trouble shooting.  All in all, 400,000 people, with 1,000's intimately working on it.  Who know the truth, that it happened and was very well documented.  You can research any facet. 

 

Your handful of rocks is 842 pounds, 2200 separate samples from six different sites.  Including some fascinating ones like the yellow volcanic 'sand' that they found.  They were photographed on the moon and brought back.  Experts around the world have been able to study and learn from them.  If you want to learn about such rocks and why they're lunar - http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/howdoweknow.htm

 

Sending up a satellite and photographing the actual vehicles left on the moon, that's pretty good evidence.  We've done it, Japanese did it.   We'll continue to do it. 

 

 

Edited December 17, 2018 by thelerner

[Stosh]

16 minutes ago, zerostao said:

frankly, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. a handful of rocks does not cut it.

So what feasible thing would 'make the cut' ? 

[Lost in Translation]

I don't believe yesterday existed. I believe the entire universe sprang into existence exactly 37 minutes ago. Prove me wrong!

[zerostao]

Just now, Stosh said:

So what feasible thing would 'make the cut' ? 

maybe the japanese photos thelerner keeps bringing up would be circumstantial evidence. i have viewed them.

i never said we did or did not land on the moon, i just said i am skeptical especially of anything that happened in the 1960's.

you know, i watched it on tv when it "happened" it wasnt too convincing then tbh

i guess the only way to know for sure is to ask the I Ching about it

 

[Pilgrim]

Years ago Living in Cocoa Beach Florida when allot of the original Cape Engineers were still around I had this very discussion with them.

 

Most were retired or entering retirement at the time and all without exception confirmed we did indeed go to the moon as I was quite skeptical about it.

 

They also confirmed there were and are things which were and are best left unspoken and that the general public has no knowledge of.

 

They did not go into details and left it at that and I think the only reason they even went that far was because they were in their 70's and 80's and knew they would not be around much longer and we were in the privacy of their own home. It was pretty easy to see some of them carried the burden of some pretty heavy secrets a long time. All of them were pretty much WW2 era Vets and were very patriotic as well and would never  reveal anything requiring security clearance. It was there sincerity and the feel coming off them and the look in their eye that convinced me.

 

I have seen many things in the night skies over the cape and can tell you either we have technology which is never openly shown on purpose or there are other civilizations with advanced technology either working with or observing the cape. Either way whatever that was all about in the night skies was important enough that my downstairs neighbor got a visit from the men in black and his high speed telephoto cameras and film confiscated.

 

From all of this it is pretty certain we not only went to the moon but it would not really surprise me if we have continued unknown to the general public and there is a base present there. Do not know for certain but won't rule it out either.

Edited December 17, 2018 by Pilgrim

[ilumairen]

54 minutes ago, Apech said:

The moon is hollow - the earth is flat.  FACTS.

 

The moon is a giant egg. 

 

Don't you watch Doctor Who? 

[Stosh]

14 minutes ago, zerostao said:

maybe the japanese photos thelerner keeps bringing up would be circumstantial evidence. i have viewed them.

i never said we did or did not land on the moon, i just said i am skeptical especially of anything that happened in the 1960's.

you know, i watched it on tv when it "happened" it wasnt too convincing then tbh

i guess the only way to know for sure is to ask the I Ching about it

 

Its a 'high bar' to meet ,when credulity is withheld , but no means to address the doubt is allowed. 

People in some cultures , wish to hold on to the belief systems of their own culture , I get that.

The system as a whole may serve them well, and it doesn't mean they are dumb.

 

 But if people from this culture , just wish to be obstinate ,, to defy convention , for the sake of refuting their own people,

,, that ! - I don't put on the same plane. It just gets one labeled a kook. 

(Except ! that such persons, may understandably wish for a paradigm that they were not raised into.)

 

 I don't think one can successfully pretend , once they are socialized to Western thought , that they somehow can remove these mind structures by an act of allegiance -to some other culture. 

I Cannot see the world as being the playground of gods , that the physical laws are up for doubt, that Santa exists and so forth , like a cave person might. The closest I can do , is to find common ground. 

 

[Pilgrim]

Ah that would answer why the mass changed. 

[Pilgrim]

2 minutes ago, Stosh said:

that Santa exists

Whhhhhaaaaaaaaat are you saying?!  I just saw him in a picture with my Niece of course he exists. 

Edited December 17, 2018 by Pilgrim

[Lost in Translation]

8 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

The moon is a giant egg. 

 

Don't you watch Doctor Who? 

 

Ouch! That was such a bad episode.

[Pilgrim]

2 hours ago, Lost in Translation said:

I don't believe yesterday existed. I believe the entire universe sprang into existence exactly 37 minutes ago. Prove me wrong!

I believe it springs into existence each and every moment now prove me wrong.

[Patrick Brown]

1 minute ago, Pilgrim said:

I believe it springs into existence each and every moment now prove me wrong.

Time is an illusion I thought we all agree on that!

[Pilgrim]

2 minutes ago, Patrick Brown said:

Time is an illusion I thought we all agree on that!

We do? That sounds very good to me.

 

You know I used to Practice ZaZen a decade ago since then practiced Kriya of different lineages and learned from different teachers higher levels of Kriya. It took duelistic practices to raise the energy and awareness to such high levels that all that was left was unity which defies words. Now after a decade Zen makes far more sense, and time flows from present to future and from past to present so in the view of big mind time is an illusion of the universal activity and we are but swinging doors.

[ilumairen]

:off-topic: 

 

@Patrick Brown 

 

 

@Lost in Translation you're right, it wasn't the best episode

[Pilgrim]

5 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

:off-topic: 

 

@Patrick Brown 

 

 

@Lost in Translation you're right, it wasn't the best episode

I happen to like that episode quite allot, thank you very much.

[futuredaze]

On one hand, it doesn't really matter TOO much if it is real or not.  It was about 50 years ago... not really relevant now, huh?  That is true in a way.  And yet, IF it was faked, that has many implications that point to something greater than the event in-itself, such as:

 

- If faked, then NASA is a corrupt, pseudo-scientific megaphone for government propaganda.  Thus, by taking taxes from the people, it becomes a great enemy of the people (like the mainstream media is currently).

- Science itself is highly corruptible (that is already irrefutable); and when the government gets involved with science, pseudo-science as propaganda inevitably follows.

- When people react to this, they get VERY emotional.  I wasn't expecting this. The reaction I see from people (not just on this forum) is very intense - as if their god is being blasphemed.  And, in a way, it is - since science is this worshipped kind of thing for some people.

- We gotta keep our focus on EARTH.  If it is easy to leave Earth - cool, we can maybe terraform some other planet or something.  However, if it is significantly more difficult, it shifts our focus outward from inward, and we have to really just focus on all the things  here, positive and negative.

- There are many more implications, I am sure you can think of a few as quickly as I just did.

 

It is not easy to admit we were lied to.  For instance, I used to like listening to Jordan Peterson, until others had made me aware of irrefutable evidence that indicates he is dishonest at best, a total charlatan at worse.  I used to be a socialist, and now I don't think that is the answer.  Far from it.  I used to think there was nothing inherently wrong with mass migration; now I see it as a very possible catalyst for war or at least conflict.  We learn things, and as our knowledge grows, we must alter our opinions and beliefs.  Otherwise, we cling to beliefs that we know are wrong, living a life of lies and cognitive dissonance.

 

Is it really hard to believe that a government organization could have lied?  That humans could have lied?  Did it ever happen before?  Isn't it true that many people get away with lying for some fraction of time, but only a fraction, before the truth comes out?  Can you think of one thing we could do 50 years ago that we CAN'T do now?

 

Anyway, I do not imagine myself to be 100% right about this.  The fact that I know I have limited information and not any scientific expertise makes me curious and agnostic about the topic.  I get the sense there are smart people on both sides of the issue, which makes it more interesting.

Edited December 20, 2018 by futuredaze