Question: Seeing images, colors, shapes with closed eyes.

[Still_Waters]

42 minutes ago, freeform said:

 

That’s why I’m starting to see the wisdom of the ‘lineage’ system. Where peers at a later stage than you can keep an eye on your progress and nudge you back on course. And most importantly stop you from teaching during the amplified sex and power / inflated base desires stage.

You raise a very good point there --- a point that I hadn't really pondered much about the value of the "lineage" system. Well said.

[Zen Pig]

4 hours ago, freeform said:

Yes - this is so important. It’s a huge issue and a big, dangerous pitfall on the path. I discussed this on the Mooji suicide thread.

I also agree with this, but my take on this whole western "teacher, guru, spiritual leader"  development stems,  (from my experience),  from people having some kind of "opening" so to speak, then thinking that they are awakened, or enlightened and then going on to teach.  From my experience the vast majority are not teachers, just egotistic folks who took an experience or a few experiences,  and then made themselves some kind of guru to be worshiped.  

I am somewhat old, and Have been in the martial arts for over 45 years,  and i remember this same thing happening to people who came out of the military in the 60's and 70's who took a couple of years of martial arts during being stationed overseas  then came to the U.S and put up a dojo and called themselves "Masters".  In reality they were only beginners.  Even in the Japanese  belt system,  the black belt means that "you are now ready to learn", not that your are ready to teach, and not even close to being a master. 

So yes, having so called opening experience, of oneness, or timelessness,  of seeing other beings happen to most folks who meditate on a daily bases, and there are still lots of subtle body issues, and things to work out.  the worst thing someone can do IMO, is to go on to try to teach others.  just my two cents from the peanut gallery. 

[rideforever]

Coincidentatlly I saw some images last night.   I had  done 4 sessions of ZZ yesterday, about 100mins maybe, a lot of qi coursing through the body.

But then I started seeing for instance a red wolf barking over my leg, it represents the character of an old blockage there.   There were several of them very clear very vivid and deep colours unmistakeable.
I can't remember if my eyes were open or closed,  I was doing quite a lot of practices yesterday in the light and in the dark.

[Zen Pig]

2 minutes ago, rideforever said:

very clear very vivid and deep colours unmistakeable

This is very interesting, and not often talked about.  It seems like in seeing other "realities" for lack of a better word,  come out as so real and vivid in both colors,  and texture.  seems more real than "real" life.  have no idea why that is the way it is,  and I really doubt that anyone else has a clue why this happens, but there you go.  

[Kubba]

5 hours ago, freeform said:

That’s why I’m starting to see the wisdom of the ‘lineage’ system. Where peers at a later stage than you can keep an eye on your progress and nudge you back on course. And most importantly stop you from teaching during the amplified sex and power / inflated base desires stage

 

I could not say that better, thanks.

Lineage and an connection to the adept is what will safeguard the process and protect you, when understood properly. This is a huge topic.

Perhaps Mooji is far more advanced than we all here on this page, rumbling around, who knows. We should not throw any disrespect to other Teachers. It will come back in no time when least expected, why to create this, best to focus on things that nourish what needs to be nourished. Yes, I try to give huge words and outsmart everyone.

[Everything]

4 hours ago, Zen Pig said:

This is very interesting, and not often talked about.  It seems like in seeing other "realities" for lack of a better word,  come out as so real and vivid in both colors,  and texture.  seems more real than "real" life.  have no idea why that is the way it is,  and I really doubt that anyone else has a clue why this happens, but there you go.  

It depends how you look at it. We humans have to ability to imagine anything we want. Sure, if you lie in bed with your eyes closed and let go of awareness of your physical body, that ability to imagine becomes very vivid and real and lucid, if you couple it with a tremendous consistent focus. 

This ability to powerfully focus is often most easily achieved when one has a desire that is extremely powerful and big. That is also why often people go to caves to fast for days in order to use this as a permission slip to allow themsleves to consciously dream or get a "vision." 

It's like, yeah, I'm so determined! I'm gonna do it no matter what! I want this more than anything! 

In the same way, someone may have a strong desire for something, and they lie in bed, and they want to see their desire and they imagine it, and they feel so good in it, they can't help but focus more and more on the desire, to a point where the mind just is completely consumed by the imagination, and it keeps becoming more and more vivid, untill the physical reality begins to synchronise with their vision and they enter a inter dimensional trance state where the vision begins to crystalise, much like in a wake induced lucid dream, and they may very well find themselves in their imagined reality, looking directly at the very reality of their desire. As fully and colorful and vivid and lucid as one can possibly imagine. They can taste it and touch it. 

But it is still existing for the purpose of inspiring us the state of being, the feeling that that dream, or imagination or desire induces in us. The feeling that inspires us to live our life more fully. To be that freedom in this life more fully and express it here. To take that love and joy and express it here in this life. And be it here! To take all that energy and crystalize it here! Make it real here in this life. To realise it here in this physical life. Which is why we have come here. For the more. The more real. The more real. 

We did not come here to go back into non-physical. 

Sure you may not be easily capable of realising all your dreams instantly. 

But you can take that feeling of joy that you feel as you imagine what you want so fully that you can feel it, and you can take that guiding light of your joy to guide you and inspire you through your physical life. To go and be your dreams. To live your dreams instead of dreaming that you are alife. Our brain is like the antenna and receiver of that energy that people can call thought form. You can have thought form from humans and thought form from even higher dimensions and from Source. As you allow yourself to align with that, like focusing on it which tunes your dial to receive a certain frequency of energy thought form vibration, yeah you can then more fully translate that reality or "radio station." 

You can dream whatever you want, if you just allow yourself to focus on what you want. 

And then, as you feel that love, then you can easily see where that love is in this life and then you can live and co-create your life with that love in this life. Or joy or freedom or knowledge or whatever you wish.

But it requires the willingness to focus consistently. Deliberate conscious co-creation. 

 

Edited December 30, 2018 by Everything

[Zen Pig]

2 hours ago, Everything said:

Make it real here in this life. To realise it here in this physical life. Which is why we have come here. For the more. The more real. The more real. 

yes. that's my point that I probably did not make so well.  I do not separate "real" from "unreal", after all, these are just words. dreams, lucid dreams, deep sleep, things seen in sitting meditation, or just getting up in the morning, taking a piss,  and making some bacon and eggs are all one thing.  In zen we call this the "suchness of life".  I love the term "suchness" because it is a word that does not bring up a pre-programmed, or socially conditioned  image of what it is.  If i say, "it seems more real" or that "I saw......something in meditation" these too are just words. not good, not bad.  In the end, what good is this whole spiritual, quest if not to live right now in all its spender. thanks for your comments. 

[Owledge]

On 12/29/2018 at 4:27 PM, Zen Pig said:

some of the biggest most egotistic ass holes i have ever seen, are or claim to be "awakened" .

You have to forgive them. They are sleep-deprived.

[Everything]

On 31-12-2018 at 1:31 AM, Zen Pig said:

yes. that's my point that I probably did not make so well.  I do not separate "real" from "unreal", after all, these are just words. dreams, lucid dreams, deep sleep, things seen in sitting meditation, or just getting up in the morning, taking a piss,  and making some bacon and eggs are all one thing.  In zen we call this the "suchness of life".  I love the term "suchness" because it is a word that does not bring up a pre-programmed, or socially conditioned  image of what it is.  If i say, "it seems more real" or that "I saw......something in meditation" these too are just words. not good, not bad.  In the end, what good is this whole spiritual, quest if not to live right now in all its spender. thanks for your comments. 

Whatever you focus upon, becomes more real. The more you translate the vibration, the more you are able to continue to translate it more fully. Wether it is a thought form, a sight, a sense, a sound, etc. whatever it is. 

 

The same in reality and also in imagination. 

However, imagination is funny. Because there is a point, where your imagination actually begins to imagine itself. This is called the dream initiated state. But it can actually be initiated consciously and deliberately, if one learns to focus in such a way to allow it to happen. Some people can do it simply by lying down and closing their eyes. And just start dreaming at will, cause they've done it so often, it's effortless to them. 

 

Just like Wim Hoff can simply heat up his body at will. 

 

Now, imagine you look at your physical reality. Then you close your eyes, and you remember you vision of your reality, now you are practicing your ability to see your reality through your imagination. 

 

 

NOW IMPORTANT TO NOTICE! 

Your entire physical reality is a dream! 

If you can learn to consciously dream, you can learn to consciously dream about your here and now reality! You can actually, energetically explore this reality with your third eye ability of translating this physical environment so to speak. However, you wont be comfortable to shift parallel reality tracks, so no worry, you wont ever do that untill you feel comfortable doing it, in which case it will be easy and effortless.

 

You can even explore probable realities of your here and now physical vibrational trajectory of consciousness. Even while remain on your same reality track.

Because your physical life exists on a time space trajectory "timeline" so to speak, amongst endless other timelelines which exist very close to your timeline. For example, you can place your right arm up. 

The timeline where you chose to place your left arm up, existed side by side, parallel to yours. 

And those which exist close to you, which you actually have a direct path towards, can be explored, by initiating your imagination, through the power of excitement, passion and joy, that will fuel the focus necessary to succesfully initiate a joyous version of the here and now reality, imagined, to be almost identical to your here and now reality, except for one tiny little difference, that represents your joy. Now you could focus on that, it can become so vivid, that your imagination will begin to synchronise with your physical reality. For example, you experience your senses, sound, but you interpret them completely differently, due to the passionately focused imagination. However you don't notice this synchronisation, due to focus on imagined scenario. 

Untill ofcourse the dream is initiated, then you begin to notice the physical reality, sounds synchronising with that of your dream about your here and now physical reality. 

What happens now, you can literally, stand up, see your reality, a different, version, recover knowledge of the reality that exists in close proximity. 

Wake up, and, the path is gone... Because you visited it, not physically. But mentally. But if you did not lie down, and you imagined it, and you had faith, you could literally, carve a pathway to it, directly through your waking life. 

 

Dreams are good places to begin exploring your multidimensional freedom in spacetime continiuum. 

 

However, what people don't understand, is that all of existance exists here and now. The only reason you experience your entire universe the way it is, is actually due to the smallest most minute microscopic imaginable tiniest of the smallest slightest of the slightest difference of frequency, that allows you to experience all of existance in this way, as opposed to lets say, oh... The entire universe is a potatoe. 

 

So you're dealing with very high frequencies here, very extremely precise and well balanced. Infinitely precise even. Infact, you cannot experience a linear time space reality at all unless your consciousness shifts from moment to moment, and also translates moment to moment, all your reality, 5 billion times per second. That is how powerful you are. Because you are so powerful, that doing this is so SO EASY, SO EXTREMELY EASY, to you, that you don't even notice you're doing it. 

 

The awakening is always happens through understanding who you already truely are. Your own nature. It happens simply through remembering the obliviously obvious things about our reality and nature. 

 

Death is often said to be the 13th step. Imagine a hotel, where there is an elivator. The numbers go up. From 1... To 2... Up to 9... 10... 11... 12... 14... 15..., etc. 

So you ask people in the elivator, "where is floor number 13?"

And they say "number what?" 

So you say "13!"

And they say "WHAT?!" 

And you say "THIRTEEN!" 

And they say "you are making strange sounds man... Are you feeling alright?" 

 

The same goes for death. No one understands what it means. It is the thirtheenth step. Or the non-existant 13th floor on that hotel in the story. 

 

What it means, that when you die, all choice is gone. Nothing is possible anymore. And when nothing is possible anymore, all the rules are gone. All the rules of the game are gone... So now?  ... Everything is possible. Infinite probability and possibility. 

 

That is why some people, believe it or not, love to watch videos of people dying. 

I was disgusted by this at first. And then I investigated. And turns out, they all view death as a huge freedom and relief. That that person no longer has any care in the world. And that seems like fun to them. But ofcourse, they don't go emmediatly jumping off buildings. Why? Because exciting as it may seem. That scary it also seems... To take the 13th step. That no one has taken... And ever returned... 

 

Why? Because you are the only one here. This entire youniverse, exists all around you, because you are focused into a small portion of your own consciousness, in order to view yourself from all the different ways you can. 

 

The complexity is endless and the rules of the game is agreed upon even beyond our dream spaces. And there are many many other games out there. Earth game is just one amongst infinite. 

[Everything]

What is really funny about one of my personal favorite lucid dreamers. Is that he was always shy. And actually always saw great sexual freedom in the idea of lucid dreaming. 

 

For example, many people explore lucid dreaming, because they firmly believe, and not without sensible reason, that they will never get to experience the idea of kissing someone they love.

 

Once upon a day, which was absolutely hilarious to me, and literally impossible... Is that I saw that shy guy, found somehow someway, through his ability to carve out a pathway through his physical reality dream, with the help of his ability to feel the excitement of lucid dreaming and play out his excitement in his physical reality, literally, pretending as best as he possibly could, that his phyical reality was a lucid dream, through many rituals of practicing daily his ability to physically dream, in order to find the safest sex possible, one where he could even explore his sexual desires fully. And thus, I see him literally in a porn movie. He was about as parmanently virgin as one can get. And he completely shifted, overnight, instantly.

Power of dreaming awake, manifesting what you expect. You have practiced it so long, that it becomes easy to recognize the very thing you seek. 

The thing to note is that his joy led him to the path of least resistance towards his full manifested desire. A version that is actually most likely to happen. One that agrees with his actual virgin nature. 

Otherwise the experience wont actually happen physically in your dream either. Literally. The moment you dream it, it is possible. Otherwise, For example, the person turning into clay in your dreams. As some people dream. And then they desperately try to make the clay real again in their dreams. 

Cause they didnt follow the path of least resistance of joy, that could show them the most likely path of something actually happening, dream and reality! 

 

Dreams will never become as real as this dream. This physical time space reality is the furthest most extension of all conscious thoughts thought upon long enough in order to expand into vision, imagination, feeling, dream, reality, etc. 

 

Is there a reality above reality? Who knows. 

Edited February 5, 2019 by Everything

[Owledge]

@Everything

A lot of your writings match my insights gained from experiences with ayahusca and salvia divinorum in tandem with ponderings.

I think spiritual englightenment/awakening is a lot about realizing implications of experiences made. Like, as a figurative example: You read a sentence and don't ask what it is telling you but what the fact that you are reading it, in that moment, says about your experience of life. When you shift attention to that mode of perception, maybe you suddenly realize the sentence is in a language you don't even know, and you still read it. And then more implications arise. Or you go "Woah, this is so cool", i.e. back to sleep. (Which may be fine. Things take time to process.)

Edited February 6, 2019 by Owledge

[EmeraldHead]

On ‎30‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 11:35 AM, freeform said:

The sad sad truth is the spiritual cultivation - the real stuff - is actually pretty rare

If you knew.... hahahaha

[Aetherous]

14 hours ago, EmeraldHead said:

If you knew.... hahahaha

 

Why are you saying he doesn't?

[Spotless]

In the early morning hours try looking at your hand / fingers / arm 

next to the wall or simply in front of you.

 

The aura can be seen quite easily with eyes closed but it is more beautiful with eyes open.

 

It is generally clearish with rainbow coloring and with intricate magnetic movements particularly near the chakrams at the tip of the fingers and the palm center as well as the base of the palm / wrist.

 

Neutrality is the most important aspect to seeing of this type. 

[EmeraldHead]

10 hours ago, Aetherous said:

 

Why are you saying he doesn't?

SOme energies he doesn't have progress with, so he wouldn't recognise others anyway

[Aetherous]

1 hour ago, EmeraldHead said:

SOme energies he doesn't have progress with, so he wouldn't recognise others anyway

 

I'm quite sure that you don't know this, and are simply being rude.

[EmeraldHead]

On ‎23‎/‎06‎/‎2019 at 2:53 PM, Aetherous said:

 

I'm quite sure that you don't know this, and are simply being rude.

Haha, you two. I am simply saying most major cities andmore, have people with progress in them like it's nothing. The whole idea of illuminati or scepticism is so far fetched as there is soo much freeway

Edited June 25, 2019 by EmeraldHead

[Hannes]

I think that is normal; I've been experiencing this all my life. 

[Starjumper]

6 hours ago, EmeraldHead said:

Haha, you two. I am simply saying most major cities andmore, have people with progress in them like it's nothing. The whole idea of illuminati or scepticism is so far fetched as there is soo much freeway

 

Is English not your first language?