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[EFS White]

Lifeforce, thank you again for sharing your thoughts and personal experiences on this process.

Like I had stated, I was intrigued to try it and - for anyone interested - I am back here now to give my personal account, which will be rather brief.

 

According to the lunar calender provided above, I had calculated Monday at a little after noon to be the moment of the moon entering my astrological birth sign. I kept an open and watchful attitude to see if I could noticed any changes in my body, energy, psychology or otherwise. Unfortunately I cannot attest to anything out of the ordinary taking place in the span of these last two days now. As for physical discomfort I had a minor headache about 18 hours after the process was due to start -- however, I get headaches quite frequently and this was nothing out of the ordinary either. Then last night, so about 30 odd hours after the process was due to begin, I developed a sore throat for no apparent reason. But again: nothing that would seem related to this process.

 

Bottom line: I do not feel I was able to experience anything out of the ordinary, which bums me a little bit.

 

I am very open to suggestions as to what I may have done wrong, and will certainly give it another try next month.

Edited April 17, 2019 by EFS White
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[lifeforce]

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Edited April 25, 2019 by lifeforce

[MIchael80]

On 17.4.2019 at 11:21 AM, lifeforce said:

 

Hi EFS White.

 

Those physical sensations might be due to the process, you really can't tell. Insights may come to you well after the process has ended. They happen to me regularly now. It might be that there is more work to be done to clear out any junk in your system. 

Purging fluoride from your system will be needed. I have been fluoride free for 10+ years so maybe the process needed less time to work. Iodine in the form of sea kelp supplements will de-flouridate your system, as will purified drinking water. Keep sugar to a minimum. No fizzy carbonated drinks or starchy carb foods. Keep at it. There are many people who have achieved great results from the process. Good luck.

HI lifeforce!

 

Really enjoy reading your experriences with that process! As you write it seems to destroy your previous beliefsystems...which is hard but also very freeing. As i have not watched the clips: what is the goal of this process? How long will it take to come to its goal? You wrote about the physical body going through alchemical change...will this result in extreme longevity, rainbow body etc.?

 

thanks for taking time to answer my questions!!

All the best on your way :-)

 

Michael

[lifeforce]

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Edited April 25, 2019 by lifeforce

[Nungali]

Someone has been very busy with the delete button.

[Fa Xin]

4 hours ago, Nungali said:

Someone has been very busy with the delete button.

 

That's too bad. He had good posts... 10 years worth.

 

I wonder why ?

 

It's one thing to leave a forum, but think of future members who may benefit from your posts.

Edited April 26, 2019 by Fa Xin

[lifeforce]

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Edited April 30, 2019 by lifeforce

[Bubbles]

Sorry to see you leaving TDB. Hope you will come back someday.

[Aetherous]

3 hours ago, lifeforce said:

My last post here. If anyone wants to contact :

[email protected]

 

Looking forward to your return if you ever make that choice.

[ilumairen]

I understand choosing to take a hiatus, or walking away all together. 

 

I don't understand the decimating of threads, or what it is that inspires someone to soo drastically eliminate their own past participation..

 

In any case, warm wishes and safe journeys @lifeforce

[Earl Grey]

32 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

I understand choosing to take a hiatus, or walking away all together. 

 

I don't understand the decimating of threads, or what it is that inspires someone to soo drastically eliminate their own past participation..

 

In any case, warm wishes and safe journeys @lifeforce

 

I get tempted myself to do the same as many others have been more and more frequently. I am about ready to bring a mob with pitchforks and torches to demand the Off Grid area and the Trump and other related threads be eliminated from this forum and taken to an entirely different forum for that nonsense instead of polluting this place since some people can't seem to separate their quarrels from thread to thread. But we know it ain't going to happen because those who are having the most fun in those threads don't see a problem with it.

 

I'm off to the Fun Machine because I'd rather discuss things that bring joy instead of bring out the anger and resentment in others. 

[ilumairen]

2 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

I get tempted myself to do the same as many others have been more and more frequently. I am about ready to bring a mob with pitchforks and torches to demand the Off Grid area and the Trump and other related threads be eliminated from this forum and taken to an entirely different forum for that nonsense instead of polluting this place since some people can't seem to separate their quarrels from thread to thread. But we know it ain't going to happen because those who are having the most fun in those threads don't see a problem with it.

 

I'm off to the Fun Machine because I'd rather discuss things that bring joy instead of bring out the anger and resentment in others. 

 

Sharing a link to the thread you opened to all in your ppd:

 

 

And if you ever wish to hang out in the quiet corner you're most certainly welcome. 

 

(As for the pitchforks and torches - please do try to avoid running me through or burning me alive.. most appreciated. )

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

 

I get tempted myself to do the same as many others have been more and more frequently. I am about ready to bring a mob with pitchforks and torches to demand the Off Grid area and the Trump and other related threads be eliminated from this forum and taken to an entirely different forum for that nonsense instead of polluting this place since some people can't seem to separate their quarrels from thread to thread. But we know it ain't going to happen because those who are having the most fun in those threads don't see a problem with it.

 

I'm off to the Fun Machine because I'd rather discuss things that bring joy instead of bring out the anger and resentment in others. 

 

 

Its like heroin

 

I wont have anything to do with it.  It wrecks relationships, I have seen it do in some friends - they are not here anymore  - yeah, some can handle it and have fun, but it creates a seedy and murky social environment    -  yuk  .     generates bad energy .

 

Should never have been allowed to snowball like  this .

[silent thunder]

your presence and sharing is appreciated mate.

 

sad to see you leave, but fully understand the need, when it arises.

 

travel well and thrive!

[Aetherous]

On the subject of "the sacred secretion", and where these ideas come from in history...

I've been reading The Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor; it mentions something about this.

It's in a writing entitled, "Naronia" which was published in The Light of Egypt in 1889. The book I'm reading includes the Naronia writing. Here is the part that's relevant to us in this thread:

 

Quote

The esoteric aspect of the Naros is known to the occult Initiates as the Mystery of Naronia, and refers to the expansion and contraction of the human constitution. As a sort of illustration let us take the motion of the tides, the ebb and flow. When the Sun and the Moon occupy the same plane in reference to the Earth, we have the high spring tides, etc. It is the same upon the mental plane, with the human brain. The brain of man, magnetically, expands and becomes illuminated by the Luni-Solar influx, from the new to the full Moon, at which time this magnetic force is at its maximum. It is high tide, so to say, and those who have the care and experience of lunatics will verify the fact, that they become perfect astronomical calendars of the Moon's increase and decrease of light.

Let us take a step further, and we then come to the real dominions of Naronia. SHE is the CYCLE of the SOUL and enacts upon the spiritual plane of human existence, a similar series of events to those of the Naros upon the mundane sphere of life. Hence, we can trace a perfect analogy between the motions of the luminaries in space and the revolution of purely psychic entities within the odylic sphere of man.

 

Each year of life, the Earth, in her orbit, transits the point in space which she occupied at a person's birth, or in other words, the Sun returns to the same sign and degree of the Zodiac that he occupied in the horoscope. In this transit, the Solar force renews the life energies of the Soul and regalvanizes them with additional force (we are speaking spiritually, understand). These germs of new forces are Virtues, Powers, Potencies and Deific attributes of the great Solar Orb. They are spiritual ovums, or seeds of human possibilities, and if consciously nourished and cherished will evolve powers and states within the Human Soul, which correspond in their action to our hidden spiritual attributes. If unnoticed, uncared for, they remain until other forces polarize them, and then pass onward down their cycle.

When the Moon, in the course of her motion, arrives at the same place during each month, she impregnates these seeds and endows them with magnetic life; therefore, in an occult sense, she confers upon humanity the powers and possibilities of magical forces. It is this Luni-Solar influx of Naronia within the human constitution, then, that controls the real foundation and basis of spiritual development and occult power.

 

The book I'm reading also mentions that Blavatsky wrote about the cycles of Naronia, but in doing a quick Google search, it seems she was only talking about the exoteric aspect of a 600 year cycle, and not about the yearly or monthly cycles for spirituality.

I'm sure with this info, people could find out more about where the ideas come from.

[Nungali]

53 minutes ago, Aetherous said:

On the subject of "the sacred secretion", and where these ideas come from in history...

 

Hope you dont me using you as a 'springbard' ?

 

( Read quick folks, its all about to be deleted and I disappear ! )

 

Did you mean The Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor is where this idea comes from in history ?  The HBL transmitted forms of this idea but it varied it somewhat.  Other groups  and teachings had it in various forms, HBL came out of them.  Early form of  HBL included Blavatski  before her 'Indian days' , as the others referred to it.  There where forms of it but the one in HBL is probably the most historically accessible .  If trace the groups back , it seems to come out of esoteric Jewish Kabbalah  , which is another strange story based on spies, secret agents , covert occult groups , originally  trying to influence   the 'new world order' after the dissolution of the Ottomon Empire and  in this case in Egypt , via the groups behind the HBL, to influence other places by supporting and encouraging the 'Young Turk' movement   ( which would eventually morph and  continue into groups which helped form Al-Queda , and their spin off groups  - a 'back fire' which they keep supporting and  making it stronger  )   ... but anyway,  another story, here I want to talk about the development of western tantra ,

 

Aside from historical tracking, before that its origins where probably in ancient practice of Judaism and teachings going back to the Alexandrian Synthesis ( ancient Egypt mixed with Greece, Chalndean and Syriac, etc ) , and later India .

 

The HBL and other groups either specialised and faded out or incorporated together, to  'create an ark' for preservation and continuation of these 'mysteries' which eventually became the O.T.O. .  Along the way the  tradition got 'topped up'  along the way , one 'Master' ( most where 'magical'  or obscure Masonic Lodge members -  officially known as 'irregular or clandestine'  Lodges   -  naughty ! )  went to travelling and  picked up 3 tantra teachers , 2 in an Indian tradition and one in a Sufi tradition.   Most 'Victorian ones' got it by their visits to India, where they received teachings that they used to de code obscure masonic symbolism into tantric symbolism. Yarker and Crowley both did that and made developments , according to that, to the way it was expressed in the OTO.

 

But there are other groups ;   Going back a bit we can track  people like Max Theon  and coming forward we event encounter ' western tantric' ie ' by now 'sex magic'  Neo-platonist cowboys'  of the USA    ....  mid 1800s

 

You guys think I be making all this up dont ya ?   

 

Actually I have posted snippets of this all over the place,  on TDBs  WITH links to references and texts 

 

Here is this one again

 

https://newtopiamagazine.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/thomas-johnson-platonism-meets-sex-magic-on-the-prairie/

 

 

 

53 minutes ago, Aetherous said:

 

 

 

I've been reading The Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor; it mentions something about this.

It's in a writing entitled, "Naronia" which was published in The Light of Egypt in 1889. The book I'm reading includes the Naronia writing. Here is the part that's relevant to us in this thread:

 

Sorry, a bit confused here ;   Is Naronia part of the HBL book ?  ( cant check, mine is in storage)  .

 

We can see by the dates that it is ('89' ) a later development than that of the mid 1800s .

 

It seems to have some problems, but it is a good outline to an extent .  It targets several things about astonological cycles but misses others. Thats why I asked the first questions I did in this thread , it all seemed vague general and inaccurate, the method being used .

 

But that how things are nowadays

 

If I might fiddle with this  bit  in green

 

The esoteric aspect of the Naros is known to the occult Initiates as the Mystery of Naronia, and refers to the expansion and contraction of the human constitution.  aside from names , yes , and that is what happens in general terms   As a sort of illustration let us take the motion of the tides, the ebb and flow. When the Sun and the Moon occupy the same plane in reference to the Earth, we have the high spring tides, etc. It is the same upon the mental plane, with the human brain. The brain of man, magnetically, we have to remember that, back then, the term magnetism was used generally, many forces where not understood properly  expands and becomes illuminated by the Luni-Solar influx, from the new to the full Moon, at which time this magnetic force is at its maximum.  Note the term 'Luni- Solar ... usually, now . Soluna  or Sol Luna influx  IS about the phases of the Moon TO AN EXTENT but more about if the Moon is in the 1/4 of ITS ORBIT ie, the  Luna equivalent  of Sunrise, noon, Sunset and midnight , that is, the Moon rising on the local horizon, the Moon directly overhead (MC ) the Moon setting or the Moon 'underfoot' (IC)    AND its relationship in those positions to th the SUN in those positions AND that related to the relationship that was present at time of birth .

 

We can see this is more complex than just the Moon being in some tropical astrological house , as was suggested in this thread (now deleted ) .

 

I should add that all this, i the context of learning about it in a group, society or initiatory group, Lodge etc, has always been held highly secretive  - perhaps a hint as to why the actions that eventuated her  did ?

It is high tide, so to say, and those who have the care and experience of lunatics will verify the fact, that they become perfect astronomical calendars of the Moon's increase and decrease of light.

 

Exaggeration, I have much experience , working in a hospital and in psyche ward . It isnt as clear cut as suggested ,  Full Moon is part of it. But some full  Moons - nothing , other times its 'going off'  but not full Moon

 

You can   track it with a simpler way  ; solunar fishing calendar 

 

https://tides4fishing.com/au/new-south-wales/coffs-harbour#_solunar_activity

 

see solunar in index on the left, various charts and info available

 

eg

MAJOR PERIODS

 

HIGH ACTIVITY

 

from 5:58 am to 7:58 am

 

Lunar transit (moon up)

This period also coincides with sunrise; therefore the sun will exercise more influence, possibly obtaining greater activity than expected.

 

 

Let us take a step further, and we then come to the real dominions of Naronia. SHE is the CYCLE of the SOUL and enacts upon the spiritual plane of human existence, a similar series of events to those of the Naros upon the mundane sphere of life. Hence, we can trace a perfect analogy between the motions of the luminaries in space and the revolution of purely psychic entities within the odylic sphere of man.

Again, the outdated terminology 'odic force'  , actually its better to just consider those good old 'biorythms' - remember them, other is an equivalent to a  28 day female lunar cycle and a 33 day male solar cycle in both males and females . So, we dont really need to calculate these setting off forces at conception astrologically, we can mark any point of the cycle now, as long as we know what part of the cycles we are IN personally now, and make a calender .  Now match that with the  Solunar calendar to make a 'good transit' and you have a good time for 'the working' .

 

But a whole lot of this has been lost, and a main point has been lost (more on that below, but to continue )

 

Each year of life, the Earth, in her orbit, transits the point in space which she occupied at a person's birth, or in other words, the Sun returns to the same sign and degree of the Zodiac that he occupied in the horoscope. Okay, nw e are talking about something else , it isnt what 'sign' the Moon is in, it is the position the Moon Sun and Earth are in all in relation to each other for your best time , but the ZODIAC is, or used to be about the best time for the RESULT of the working.  here is what happened ; good Victorian magical couples (that practised western sex magic) practised it with their wives  with the result of trying to reproduce the best possible offspring so to improve the family and society generally, and to try and get a 'roll' going of higher incarnated being . Modern sex magic morphed from that into using the sex magic for ANY MAGICAL OPERATION DESIRED, to help get a result from ANY working, including the evocation of a demon ! So, we can see how it got the 'left hand path' tag.

 

The reason you consider the greater picture of a  ZODIACAL timing ;  CONSTELLATONS (not signs ) and planets, as you are trying to get a child born with a  specific astrological make-up and traits . This is an old practice , royalty and class distinction where often based on that, in this case it used magically, and the parents should have been conceived that way as well, and their children's children , to incarnate more advanced beings .   If unfamiliar with the idea, try this ;

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonchild_(novel)#Plot_summary

 

In this transit, the Solar force renews the life energies of the Soul and regalvanizes them with additional force (we are speaking spiritually, understand). These germs of new forces are Virtues, Powers, Potencies and Deific attributes of the great Solar Orb. They are spiritual ovums, or seeds of human possibilities, and if consciously nourished and cherished will evolve powers and states within the Human Soul, which correspond in their action to our hidden spiritual attributes. If unnoticed, uncared for, they remain until other forces polarize them, and then pass onward down their cycle.  This is basic hermetic theory, it would go like this ;

The Magicians , themselves having been conceived  in magical ritual at the right time for their magician parents   and the right time astrologically for their birth, will calculate the best time for them to conceive and the child to be born and also during this process of conception towards birth, the soul will enter the Solar system, first through the Sphere of  Saturn and pick up  both sides of the Saturn energy, then the rest of the planets , in the hermetic order, ending with the Moon and incarnate. Then their own path is to progress backupwards, overcoming the specific trials of the Moon using their specific 'Moon qualities' (they got from their incarnation / astrologically natal  process - hence one will have different Luna trials than the other ... or maybe even no Lunar trials at all ) to get through their Moon 'problems ' (if they have any) then 'up' through the rest of the planetary spheres, back to Saturn. Then  their magical development is complete (for this life)  and they can operate as a 'high initiate'  'master'  Hierophant or whatever term it is each group uses.

When the Moon, in the course of her motion, arrives at the same place during each month, she impregnates these seeds and endows them with magnetic life; therefore, in an occult sense, she confers upon humanity the powers and possibilities of magical forces. It is this Luni-Solar influx of Naronia within the human constitution, then, that controls the real foundation and basis of spiritual development and occult power.

More like;  it is best to deal with specific benefits or trials of a planetary nature when we have the appropriate 'soluna flux' happening 

 

 

 

53 minutes ago, Aetherous said:

 

 

The book I'm reading also mentions that Blavatsky wrote about the cycles of Naronia, but in doing a quick Google search, it seems she was only talking about the exoteric aspect of a 600 year cycle, and not about the yearly or monthly cycles for spirituality.

 

Most of her writings where post ' Indian Days' .  But I have posted a fair bit of it and given links to places where a lot of this info can be tracked down, it used to be in my head, but gone now,  I'd have to look it all up . Actually there is another group that one would need to look into that runs alongside  the  HBL ... but buggered if I can remember their name at the moment ,

 

And there is one or two good sites that stick it all together ( I also posted links to them when talking about this before ) but cant remember their names now .    Sterney might know where it is, I was talking to him about it all in a thread about the origins of the Hermetic order of the Golden Dawn   .... ummmm  and the 'German Order of  the Golden and Rosy Cross '    .... was it ?  and if my memory serves me correctly, they where the ones behind HBL ?

 

53 minutes ago, Aetherous said:

 

 

I'm sure with this info, people could find out more about where the ideas come from.

 

As far as I can tell , esoteric  Judaism  with a smatterin of  neo EgyptoSyriacChadeanNeoPlatonism  and some later Indian and Sufi  inputs  and influence  - western tantra / 'sex magic '  ....    to incarnate 'The Priestess of the Sun '

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

shhhh , dont tell  no one though .

 

 

 

 

[Aetherous]

6 hours ago, Nungali said:

Did you mean The Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor is where this idea comes from in history ?

 

Maybe, but that's not what I meant; I only meant that the idea was found in the HBL book I'm reading. Apparently it was part of the HBL teachings, coming from Burgoyne...who may have gotten it elsewhere.

 

6 hours ago, Nungali said:

If trace the groups back , it seems to come out of esoteric Jewish Kabbalah  , which is another strange story based on spies, secret agents , covert occult groups , originally  trying to influence   the 'new world order' after the dissolution of the Ottomon Empire and  in this case in Egypt , via the groups behind the HBL, to influence other places by supporting and encouraging the 'Young Turk' movement   ( which would eventually morph and  continue into groups which helped form Al-Queda , and their spin off groups  - a 'back fire' which they keep supporting and  making it stronger  )   ... but anyway,  another story,

 

Well, that's interesting! Please do share more, perhaps in a thread dedicated to the subject...I'd be happy to learn. Any good books on it?

 

6 hours ago, Nungali said:

The HBL and other groups either specialised and faded out or incorporated together, to  'create an ark' for preservation and continuation of these 'mysteries' which eventually became the O.T.O.

 

According to the HBL book, the OTO is apparently just one of such groups.

 

6 hours ago, Nungali said:

Sorry, a bit confused here ;   Is Naronia part of the HBL book ?  ( cant check, mine is in storage)  .

 

The Naronia writing is contained in the HBL book.

 

6 hours ago, Nungali said:

It seems to have some problems, but it is a good outline to an extent .  It targets several things about astonological cycles but misses others. Thats why I asked the first questions I did in this thread , it all seemed vague general and inaccurate, the method being used .

 

After reading it, I now have the same questions you did. It seems like an easy passage to misunderstand.

 

6 hours ago, Nungali said:

If I might fiddle with this  bit  in green

 

The esoteric aspect of the Naros is known to the occult Initiates as the Mystery of Naronia, and refers to the expansion and contraction of the human constitution.  aside from names , yes , and that is what happens in general terms   As a sort of illustration let us take the motion of the tides, the ebb and flow. When the Sun and the Moon occupy the same plane in reference to the Earth, we have the high spring tides, etc. It is the same upon the mental plane, with the human brain. The brain of man, magnetically, we have to remember that, back then, the term magnetism was used generally, many forces where not understood properly  expands and becomes illuminated by the Luni-Solar influx, from the new to the full Moon, at which time this magnetic force is at its maximum.  Note the term 'Luni- Solar ... usually, now . Soluna  or Sol Luna influx  IS about the phases of the Moon TO AN EXTENT but more about if the Moon is in the 1/4 of ITS ORBIT ie, the  Luna equivalent  of Sunrise, noon, Sunset and midnight , that is, the Moon rising on the local horizon, the Moon directly overhead (MC ) the Moon setting or the Moon 'underfoot' (IC)    AND its relationship in those positions to th the SUN in those positions AND that related to the relationship that was present at time of birth .

 

We can see this is more complex than just the Moon being in some tropical astrological house , as was suggested in this thread (now deleted ) .

 

I should add that all this, i the context of learning about it in a group, society or initiatory group, Lodge etc, has always been held highly secretive  - perhaps a hint as to why the actions that eventuated her  did ?

It is high tide, so to say, and those who have the care and experience of lunatics will verify the fact, that they become perfect astronomical calendars of the Moon's increase and decrease of light.

 

Exaggeration, I have much experience , working in a hospital and in psyche ward . It isnt as clear cut as suggested ,  Full Moon is part of it. But some full  Moons - nothing , other times its 'going off'  but not full Moon

 

You can   track it with a simpler way  ; solunar fishing calendar 

 

https://tides4fishing.com/au/new-south-wales/coffs-harbour#_solunar_activity

 

see solunar in index on the left, various charts and info available

 

eg

MAJOR PERIODS

 

HIGH ACTIVITY

 

from 5:58 am to 7:58 am

 

Lunar transit (moon up)

This period also coincides with sunrise; therefore the sun will exercise more influence, possibly obtaining greater activity than expected.

 

 

Let us take a step further, and we then come to the real dominions of Naronia. SHE is the CYCLE of the SOUL and enacts upon the spiritual plane of human existence, a similar series of events to those of the Naros upon the mundane sphere of life. Hence, we can trace a perfect analogy between the motions of the luminaries in space and the revolution of purely psychic entities within the odylic sphere of man.

Again, the outdated terminology 'odic force'  , actually its better to just consider those good old 'biorythms' - remember them, other is an equivalent to a  28 day female lunar cycle and a 33 day male solar cycle in both males and females . So, we dont really need to calculate these setting off forces at conception astrologically, we can mark any point of the cycle now, as long as we know what part of the cycles we are IN personally now, and make a calender .  Now match that with the  Solunar calendar to make a 'good transit' and you have a good time for 'the working' .

 

But a whole lot of this has been lost, and a main point has been lost (more on that below, but to continue )

 

Each year of life, the Earth, in her orbit, transits the point in space which she occupied at a person's birth, or in other words, the Sun returns to the same sign and degree of the Zodiac that he occupied in the horoscope. Okay, nw e are talking about something else , it isnt what 'sign' the Moon is in, it is the position the Moon Sun and Earth are in all in relation to each other for your best time , but the ZODIAC is, or used to be about the best time for the RESULT of the working.  here is what happened ; good Victorian magical couples (that practised western sex magic) practised it with their wives  with the result of trying to reproduce the best possible offspring so to improve the family and society generally, and to try and get a 'roll' going of higher incarnated being . Modern sex magic morphed from that into using the sex magic for ANY MAGICAL OPERATION DESIRED, to help get a result from ANY working, including the evocation of a demon ! So, we can see how it got the 'left hand path' tag.

 

The reason you consider the greater picture of a  ZODIACAL timing ;  CONSTELLATONS (not signs ) and planets, as you are trying to get a child born with a  specific astrological make-up and traits . This is an old practice , royalty and class distinction where often based on that, in this case it used magically, and the parents should have been conceived that way as well, and their children's children , to incarnate more advanced beings .   If unfamiliar with the idea, try this ;

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonchild_(novel)#Plot_summary

 

In this transit, the Solar force renews the life energies of the Soul and regalvanizes them with additional force (we are speaking spiritually, understand). These germs of new forces are Virtues, Powers, Potencies and Deific attributes of the great Solar Orb. They are spiritual ovums, or seeds of human possibilities, and if consciously nourished and cherished will evolve powers and states within the Human Soul, which correspond in their action to our hidden spiritual attributes. If unnoticed, uncared for, they remain until other forces polarize them, and then pass onward down their cycle.  This is basic hermetic theory, it would go like this ;

The Magicians , themselves having been conceived  in magical ritual at the right time for their magician parents   and the right time astrologically for their birth, will calculate the best time for them to conceive and the child to be born and also during this process of conception towards birth, the soul will enter the Solar system, first through the Sphere of  Saturn and pick up  both sides of the Saturn energy, then the rest of the planets , in the hermetic order, ending with the Moon and incarnate. Then their own path is to progress backupwards, overcoming the specific trials of the Moon using their specific 'Moon qualities' (they got from their incarnation / astrologically natal  process - hence one will have different Luna trials than the other ... or maybe even no Lunar trials at all ) to get through their Moon 'problems ' (if they have any) then 'up' through the rest of the planetary spheres, back to Saturn. Then  their magical development is complete (for this life)  and they can operate as a 'high initiate'  'master'  Hierophant or whatever term it is each group uses.

When the Moon, in the course of her motion, arrives at the same place during each month, she impregnates these seeds and endows them with magnetic life; therefore, in an occult sense, she confers upon humanity the powers and possibilities of magical forces. It is this Luni-Solar influx of Naronia within the human constitution, then, that controls the real foundation and basis of spiritual development and occult power.

More like;  it is best to deal with specific benefits or trials of a planetary nature when we have the appropriate 'soluna flux' happening 

 

 

Interesting. I quoted you here to preserve these ideas for the thread.

[Nungali]

7 hours ago, Aetherous said:

 

Maybe, but that's not what I meant; I only meant that the idea was found in the HBL book I'm reading. Apparently it was part of the HBL teachings, coming from Burgoyne...who may have gotten it elsewhere.

 

It was strange times , even  those trying to  put forward basic eduction and consideration around the subject where persecuted - especially the women ;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Aetherous said:

 

 

Well, that's interesting! Please do share more, perhaps in a thread dedicated to the subject...I'd be happy to learn. Any good books on it?

 

I linked to a good site on it ... its in that thread here ... somewhere .  I will have a look later , but I dont get on with the search engine here

 

7 hours ago, Aetherous said:

 

According to the HBL book, the OTO is apparently just one of such groups.

 

yes, as I said " they either 'specialised or   .... "   one group that  rejected the merger and decided to go it alone was Fraternis Saturni .

 

7 hours ago, Aetherous said:

 

 

The Naronia writing is contained in the HBL book.

 

 

After reading it, I now have the same questions you did. It seems like an easy passage to misunderstand.

 

 

Interesting. I quoted you here to preserve these ideas for the thread.

 

 

Damn !   I was gonna delete it today  and disappear       

[Aetherous]

9 minutes ago, Nungali said:

Damn !   I was gonna delete it today  and disappear       

 

If you're at all serious, I'm amenable to hiding things that anyone doesn't want kept public here.

[Nungali]

I just went through all  the index pages pages in esoteric forum and couldnt see anything that might contain it .

 

I did  find an old post about Ida Craddock ... another 'light in those times'  ;

 

regarding western tantra, this guy is a key player

 

"  Paschal Beverly Randolph (October 8, 1825 – July 29, 1875) was an African American medical doctor, occultist, spiritualist, trance medium, and writer. He is notable as perhaps the first person to introduce the principles of erotic alchemy to North America, and, according to A. E. Waite, establishing the earliest known Rosicrucian order in the United States "

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paschal_Beverly_Randolph

 

The newtopia article on HBL'  and other interesting stuff, including Max Theon

 

" Perhaps one of the strangest things about the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor is its lack of Egyptian content. As Geoffrey McVey wrote in his essay Thebes, Luxor, and Loudsville, Georgia: The Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor and the landscapes of 19th-century Occultisms, “It is significant that, beyond the attachment to Luxor and the occasional reference to Isis, there is nothing especially Egyptian about the teachings and practices of the H.B. of L.; its primary sources include [author of The Magus Francis] Barrett, the French occultist Eliphas Levi, Bulwer-Lytton’s Zanoni, Rosicrucianism,  and the work of Paschal Beverly Randolph.  There are no “Egyptian rites,” no emphasis on hieroglyphics, and, in fact, very little mention of Egypt at all.”

 

( Randolph seems to have been a main 'tantric input' here, except for the vague reference to Rosicrucianism - of a specific type)

 

and ;

 

" Burgoyne and Davidson certainly took some of the content of the H.B. of L. from Randolph’s works, especially the materials on sex magic, though they took pains to distance themselves from him, alleging that he had fallen into black magic by using sex magic for material ends, but that was a gross oversimplification of the very complicated life of a man who publicly and enthusiastically endorsed sex, drugs and the occult before Aleister Crowley was born. "

 

" Randolph agreed with the H.B. of L. that sex magic should only be practiced by married couples, and he had just as many warnings about the dire consequences of abusing it, but for Randolph sex magic had many more uses than procreation. "

 

" ... Fifty years old, married to a girl not yet twenty, father of a newly born son he named Osiris Buddha (who would grow up to become a respected physician) this champion of women’s rights and spiritual love ...  He had been desperate to raise money, offering to sell the rights to all his books, offering to sell his medical practice, deeply bitter that those who had borrowed freely from his work seemed to be flourishing while he was becoming ever more obscure and poor.  " .

 

https://newtopiamagazine.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/mysteries-of-the-hermetic-brotherhood-of-luxor/

 

... anyway,  I did all this some time back, and the info is posted in various places here .

 

-  I really  should not be spending time on this  I am SUPPOSED to be slogging my way through '  The Origins of the Bronze Age Oasis Civilisations of  South Central Asia '  .

Edited April 27, 2019 by Nungali

[Starjumper]

8 hours ago, Aetherous said:

I quoted you here to preserve these ideas for the thread.

 

I did that also but then I realized he was just having fun at Whatsisname's expense.  I'm leaving soon too.

Edited April 27, 2019 by Starjumper

[Nungali]

5 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

 

I did that also but then I realized he was just having fun at Whatsisname's expense.  I'm leaving soon too.

 

 

? 

 

 

 

[Zhongyongdaoist]

One of the things to remember about Women in these matters if not just whether they were involved, but whether they wrote about it and were published.  It is only the ones published about whom we know a significant amount.  One of the most important of the late Nineteenth Century was:

 

Anna Kingsford

 

She was very prolific, well known and influential among the founders of the Golden Dawn.  We know most about those who were published, but women were still breaking into the field of writing in the Nineteenth Century, so the number of well known women involved is relatively small, but the number of women involved would have been much larger.

 

There were important women authors in spiritualism,, Theosophy and Christian Science and its descendants also.

 

ZYD