Is any of this proven or real?

[maheosphet]

The point is that if non of the aforementioned ailments kill you, the inability for cells to replicate will.

 

I would prefer to see the research paper that refutes "aging" rather than a link to a book, then perhaps I would change my opinion on the matter. Senescence has been widely documented across many biological organisms:

 

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[vonkrankenhaus]

The book details research done in around 1993.

 

None of those links shown will help you live even one minute longer.

 

This is about realizing Human Life first.

 

The things you link to are not what is causing Death.

 

These are all just things they see and measure in the people of today.

 

None of them are normal humans, or in any normal environment.

 

None of whom are cultivating human life.

 

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

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[maheosphet]

I would argue it is more about realizing human spirit.

 

What you are describing is more akin to indefinite mortality than it is to immortality. If you take a biological humans head it is going to die. There-fore it is not immortal and immortality doesn't apply to the physical parts of the biological organisms. If you happened to cultivate an immortal spirit in the time you prolonged the biological death, then the body would still die, and the spirit would be without a body.

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[Nungali]

Forget immortality and get on with Daoism  ....  IMO .

[rideforever]

5 hours ago, maheosphet said:

I would argue it is more about realizing human spirit.

 

What is your path, do you have an Egyptian name ?

[maheosphet]

 

2 hours ago, rideforever said:

 

What is your path, do you have an Egyptian name ?

 

Maheo is the creator God in Cheyenne, the tale of Maheo is fairly similar to that of other creator gods. (No, I'm not Native American)

 

I don't follow any particular path, I am more of a seeker. The thing about most traditional paths, that I personally dislike, is the fairy tales smothering and burying the diamonds. I believe that there is some truth and some fable in most paths, and that one need not adhere to the totality of a path to dig out the diamonds.

 

Perhaps I give myself too much credit to discern the difference?

 

How about you?

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[rideforever]

49 minutes ago, maheosphet said:

How about you?

 

I have been with the same Zen teacher for about 7 years and do a lot of sitting meditation, and auxiliary practices, and study very widely.

 

 

Edited January 2, 2019 by rideforever

[maheosphet]

Thanks for the video.

 

 

[rideforever]

Wow man .... yes, fuc4 this world, enter the real world ... invest in the great way ... be the great one

[vonkrankenhaus]

12 hours ago, maheosphet said:

If you happened to cultivate an immortal spirit in the time you prolonged the biological death, then the body would still die, and the spirit would be without a body.

 

Spirit and Body are the same thing.

 

You cannot cultivate either without the other.

 

So you must see and understand and develop this life and body and spirit.

 

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[thelerner]

3 hours ago, maheosphet said:

Thanks for the video.

 

 

Cause this is a proven or real thread.  The part playing ping pong with nunchuks is CGI from a commercial, not Mr Lee at all rather advertising for limited edition Bruce Lee phone. 

[mrpasserby]

On 1/1/2019 at 8:51 PM, maheosphet said:

I would argue it is more about realizing human spirit.

 

What you are describing is more akin to indefinite mortality than it is to immortality. If you take a biological humans head it is going to die. There-fore it is not immortal and immortality doesn't apply to the physical parts of the biological organisms. If you happened to cultivate an immortal spirit in the time you prolonged the biological death, then the body would still die, and the spirit would be without a body.

I kinda sorta think that you have got it, if you want that for you. IME A functional spirit body is for use know, not for later.

Edited February 26, 2020 by mrpasserby
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[Nungali]

Forget nunchaku ping-pong and get on with Daoism   ....   IMO 

[maheosphet]

Bruce Lee's approach to martial arts is the approach that I take with spirituality, formless, shapeless, like water. It was an addendum to my answer to rideforevers question about my personal path, if you didn't catch it. The theatrics in the video wasn't the point whatsoever.

Edited January 2, 2019 by maheosphet

[thelerner]

1 hour ago, maheosphet said:

Bruce Lee's approach to martial arts is the approach that I take with spirituality, formless, shapeless, like water. It was an addendum to my answer to rideforevers question about my personal path, if you didn't catch it. The theatrics in the video wasn't the point whatsoever.

You and Nungali are right, but it does illustrate that in this age of easy visual manipulation and advertising extremes what we see isn't necessarily the truth.  And because human nature doesn't change, its very hard to know what to believe from the past.

 

For me the litmus is things that are true and good, keep on.  They have lineage and modern practitioners who achieve as high as the past greats/masters.