Closed-eye color patterns after waking up from unpleasant dream

[Owledge]

I am still trying to make sense and explore implications of a phenomenon I had ever since I had a profound ayahuasca experience.

 

Whenever I wake up from a troubled dream, which means one from which, for one reason or another but usually due to being weirded out / scared, I try hard to wake up and eventually do, for a minute or so after that I see flickering light patterns when I close my eyes. They're not really complex, just some movement of bright dots in a distinct texture pattern, which made me call this phenomenon "holodeck matrix". It is always the same pattern, and the perception gradually fades the longer I lie awake. (It's quite intense light at first, but in the context of the whole phenomenon being kinda subtle.)

 

I don't know whether the specific pattern has any relevance or familiarity (maybe related to the way that light-receptors are arranged on the retina or at least how the brain manages them?), and it is hard to describe, but I tried to draw a crude approximation/guess. (They are slightly more colorful, I think, with some elements of yellow and green, but last time I had this I remembered a red-dominance once I noticed it was occuring again.)

 

 

I think there might also be a connection between the occurence of such dreams and how much energy is still active in my head before entering sleep. (I usually do some nei gong in bed.) I had this type of dream a couple times after my ayahuasca experience, in a more intense way, but even years later this still ocurs in a milder version if I don't ground myself thoroughly after the nei gong. (But I usually don't do that because I am not that worried about these effects. It is part of a process anyway, and results are so subtle that I decide to emphasize more on keeping the energy active as much as possible. Once one reaches a state where there is always activity, you cannot say you moved energy out of the head anyway, and one has to distinguish between energy being constantly active and it being stuck up there. I don't think I have an issue with the latter. I've had energy pulsing around a bit between third eye and crown ever since my Kunlun Nei Gung seminar, and it is active at various times of the day, usually during states of relaxation.)

Edited February 5, 2019 by Owledge

[ilumairen]

I have absolutely no experience with ayahuasca, and my comments will not touch upon that. 

 

At it's most simple, the anxiety or fear you mention may be most linked to the lower 'survival' chakra - hence a predominately red play of light. I would suggest that this is what your mind is pointing you towards.. understanding that what you are actually fearing is nothing more than the play of light your mind is painting. As you awaken, you perceive it differently, and it no longer seems fearful..

 

This is what came to mind, and you are, of course, free to utilize or discard it as you see fit. 

 

Warm regards

[Zen Pig]

55 minutes ago, Owledge said:

I see flickering light patterns when I close my eyes. They're not really complex, just some movement of bright dots in a distinct texture pattern, which made me call this phenomenon "holodeck matrix". It is always the same pattern, and the perception gradually fades the longer I lie awake. (It's quite intense light at first, but in the context of the whole phenomenon being kinda subtle.)

I also get this kind of light show, and if I just lay there and watch it can turn into other beings, or landscapes.  this is not uncommon.  In lucid dreaming they call this state, W.I.L.D  or Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming.  One just watches the lights without trying to figure them out, or develop a belief of what they are,  and simply watch.  then the dream state starts while you are in-between awakening and sleep.  at least that is my experience.  don't over analyze it.  what good does that do anyway? LOL

[ilumairen]

 

[Everything]

It is simply your fractal step down transformer, imaginary capacity to translate frequencies of all dimensions.

 

I also often upon awakening, just continue lie in bed, and often I see, with my eyes closed, a different version of my bed. Darker light, but the pillow looks similar. Everytime I say... Wow this looks exactly like my bed! And when I open my eyes, it doesn't even come close.... My room is always brighter... Hehe. And the pillow is slightly different. 

 

The thing to remember is that the details are not important. Especially if they are bad dreams. But if they are good dreams, use them as symbols. 

 

You have to find the thing that feels good, and find a relationship, link, with your physical reality, by noticing something in your physical reality that feels the same and also has the same qualities as that symbolic representation of your dream. How do you know? The feeling is important, as that will identify the actual physical thing that is purely representative of that path of least resistance, in case the dream is of joy. 

 

For example, you can feel free flying in a dream. Don't go jump off a building... 

Instead, what in your life feels free like that? What feels similar about your physical life? For me, riding my bike in the open air, being completely by my self, free to go wherever I so choose. Any direction I may choose! For no other reason than my freedom. Thus here is my path of least resistance. 

 

Secondly, dream where all insects reverse and stop aging. Families meet. Joy. 

What in my life feels like that? Instead of going outside observing insects... Waiting all my life for my dream to come true of the "day that everything stopped aging..."

Instead of being stupid like that....

What feels like the joy of discovering something has reversed age? And became perfect? And happy? 

Technical repairs. I love technical repairs. I love all things technical. But repairing something to perfect normal operating condition. Love that. And usually this is done together with my family, so good company too! 

It is basically a form of cleansing and resting at the end of day in good company of joy and appreciation and celebration. 

 

So whenever you imagine a dream of joy. You conjure an image of joy for the purpose of imagining something you want. 

Identify the good feeling. 

Then look, in the general sense, around your life, and consider ANYTHING, that might possibly feel like that. That is ALREADY FULLY AVAILABLE AND REAL IN YOUR LIFE RIGHT NOW. 

 

Your dreams cannot reproduce reality, because that is not the point. You identify the PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, as one entire thing! When you imagine, your image contains the entire road. The entire path. The journey. Timeless. 

 

Dreams are also fractals. They happen all at once, but your waking mind creates linearity in order to focus on this or that, dissect and look at things in relationship to one another. And contemplate them so. 

 

But usually the imagined scenario is purely representative, symbollically, of the physical scenario in your life, that feels always the same or very similar at least. Energy motionally, emotionally. 

 

For example, a kid says, I wanna be an astronaut. He may feel pride and accomplishment in that idea. So looks in his life, and remembers, the time he climbed that rope in gym class. And everyone looked at him in awe. And cheered and clapped. He felt very fortunate and proud and appreciative of himself. 

That climbing of the rope, is not the path towards being an astronaunt, it is literally the path of being an astronaut right now! In his real "physical" reality. The accomplishment at school. The good grades. The fitness. It's all about achievement. So that is his or her passion. And translates through the vision of being an astronaut. 

 

But the kid does not go to the internet, looks up rocket launch date. Goes to sight, and runs straight towards the rocket, falls in exhaustion halfway. And looks up crying at the rocket that left. 

 

Because those astronauts are in that moment being tested. They didn't try to make it in time. That was easy, just like the kid can make it easily in time for school. The test the astronauts are undertaking. It is not in that rocket, not for the kid. For the kid, the test is at school. 

 

Can you get the idea of aligning visions with your hearts ability for dead center navigation? Pinpoint accuracy 24/7?

 

Often people think of wealth, they think of gold. And exploding stars. Don't go to the casino and look at exploding stars all day! 

What feels like joyous wealth and abbundance? 

Family? Looking up at the sky at night through a telescope? 

Going in nature at night? 

How does that connect to wealth? It will, if you care about how you feel, first, then money second. 

You will eventually get all that money, because it is part of that path. But it is also representative of the entire journey. So going for money, is like eating tye dry skin if the onion, and throwing the onion away. And then complaining that you can't find any onions, even tho you have been looking your entire life. Focused on onions.

 

Why? Because reality is a fractal. 

Every reality contains the whole of all other realities. 

Just as the whole contains all the other realities. 

 

So find the feeling of the vision, and identify the feeling in your waking real reality. 

Edited February 5, 2019 by Everything

[Owledge]

@Everything

As profound as that is, it also seems extremely trivial in certain points, because aren't we all looking for that in real life which makes us feel good, is meaningful and empowering? Finding that is the whole challenge, and I would say that despairing over not being able to find/access it is what drive people into different pursuits, like spirituality.

A path of least resistance might even be found at first, but not be sustainable. Life tends to not allow this but throw stuff at us.

From my own experience, it even seems like trying to find meaningful connections between an envisioned goal and physical reality can spoil the former and backfire violently due to utter incompatibility and phoniness of the things connecting to, which again signals that a representation of the feeling in the physical realm might not be available.

[Zork]

The third eye is more active after the sleeping states. Sometimes you might see things/beings that are not possible to notice when awake.

Ayahuasca may or may not have played a part in that.

[Owledge]

@Everything I tended to assume that fear always condenses and love always expands and that as such the material realm if profoundly a result of a portion of fear in contrast to love. I don't know whether I would discard that theory at this point, but it would constitute a zero-sum game, so I am intrigued by your thesis of the purpose of this realm to try and materialize love.

I am skeptical because practicing love always seems to lighten, etherealize. But maybe that is just an early step of the whole process?

[Everything]

3 hours ago, Owledge said:

@Everything I tended to assume that fear always condenses and love always expands and that as such the material realm if profoundly a result of a portion of fear in contrast to love. I don't know whether I would discard that theory at this point, but it would constitute a zero-sum game, so I am intrigued by your thesis of the purpose of this realm to try and materialize love.

I am skeptical because practicing love always seems to lighten, etherealize. But maybe that is just an early step of the whole process?

Good question. It's not an early part. It's simply half the part.

 

When you focus, and expand unto the image, it also expands internally, into itself, so it may not seem to become bigger, but it condenses as you put in your own words so well and beautifully, it condenses into higher resolution. Or condenses or expands INTO ITSELF, internally.

 

So whatever you focus upon, you become more, and it also becomes more unto you. And when you focus enough, causing an energy motional, emotional, reading, of wether you're gonna like that creation or not.

 

This lag, or time it requires for something to fully manifests, is a very helpful and good thing, it allows us to make sure we really do feel good about the thing we're focused upon. And if not, then we simply take a step back, re-orient, and on we go. Eternally.

 

To the evermore being, of our evermore becoming.

Edited February 7, 2019 by Everything

[lino]

Installing the dream state device on a person is illegal. A person usually gets

a violation for installing it. After you die and go underground, throw the person

in jail.

 

Every path that involves dream state is a false path. Check with your clones.

The dream state device hits the brain for 40% for it's performance.

 

You have dream state installed if when you are awake, you see a black background.

Dream state is not installed if you see veins in your eyelids when your eyes are closed.

Edited February 9, 2019 by lino

[Everything]

14 minutes ago, lino said:

Installing the dream state device on a person is illegal. A person usually gets

a violation for installing it. After you die and go underground, throw the person

in jail.

 

Every path that involves dream state is a false path. Check with your clones.

The dream state device hits the brain for 40-47% for it's performance.

 

You have dream state installed if when you are awake, you see a black background.

Dream state is not installed if you see veins in your eyelids when your eyes are closed.

No need to manipulate. That can be teached by allowing yourself to live naturally free.

[lino]

7 hours ago, Everything said:

No need to manipulate. That can be teached by allowing yourself to live naturally free.

Check with your clones.

[ilumairen]

25 minutes ago, lino said:

Check with your clones.

 

: looking around : 

[lino]

25 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

: looking around : 

Cutting off the umbilical cord during rebirth produces a clone that is out on consciousness. Tell the baby program to teach you the mudra for contacting your clones.

Edited February 9, 2019 by lino

[Pilgrim]

No point in talking to a clone by definition your just talking to yourself and even children know if you do that out loud you will be considered crazy.

[ilumairen]

13 minutes ago, lino said:

Cutting off the umbilical cord during rebirth produces a clone that is out on consciousness. Tell the baby program to teach you the mudra for contacting your clones.

 

Honestly, this seems like one hell of a framework...

 

Sometimes I like stories, and sometimes I like paradigms. Yours seems incredibly complex, and my tendency is towards simplicity. 

 

[lino]

1 hour ago, ilumairen said:

 

Honestly, this seems like one hell of a framework...

 

Sometimes I like stories, and sometimes I like paradigms. Yours seems incredibly complex, and my tendency is towards simplicity. 

 

If you are looking at simplicity then you are looking in the wrong places. All of these "scriptures" are pseudo-intellectual drivel. You could check my name "LINO CORDERO" with your clones. I'm going to talk. I'm a new birth that got stuck with a second lifetime name.

Rebirth actually exists. Most of these people are actually rebirths who are afraid to talk or are actually going to withhold from a person. You look like a new birth.

 

Edited February 9, 2019 by lino

[ilumairen]

7 minutes ago, lino said:

If you are looking at simplicity then you are looking in the wrong places. All of these "scriptures" are pseudo-intellectual drivel. You could check my name "LINO CORDERO" with your clones. I'm going to talk. I'm a new birth that got stuck with a second lifetime name.

Rebirth actually exists. Most of these people are actually rebirths who are afraid to talk or are actually going to withhold from a person. You look like a new birth.

 

 

So, you've given me a place in your paradigm - how interesting. 

 

If you look around, you'll find I don't often quote scripture, and am more interested in actual dialog. 

 

I'm listening, and you're talking.. is there anything else you'd like to share while I'm here?

[lino]

What exactly do you want to know?

[Owledge]

24 minutes ago, lino said:

If you are looking at simplicity then you are looking in the wrong places. All of these "scriptures" are pseudo-intellectual drivel. You could check my name "LINO CORDERO" with your clones. I'm going to talk. I'm a new birth that got stuck with a second lifetime name.

I paid more attention to the "Super Maha Butthead". 

[ilumairen]

5 minutes ago, lino said:

What exactly do you want to know?

 

How did your paradigm, especially as it regards dream states (to keep on topic in this thread), arise?

[lino]

6 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

How did your paradigm, especially as it regards dream states (to keep on topic in this thread), arise?

Something that comes from another person through dream state is usually bullshit. They are trying to

guide you to do something, have a certain opinion, or terrorize you.

At any point have you been able to seem the veins in your eyelids after you close your eyes?

Edited February 9, 2019 by lino

[ilumairen]

1 minute ago, lino said:

Something that comes from another person through dream state is usually bullshit. They are trying to

guide you to do something, have a certain opinion, or terrorize you.

At any point have you been able to seem the veins in your eyelids after you close your eyes?

 

What if one is guiding oneself in dream state?

 

And of course I've seen the veins in my eyelids when I've closed my eyes. 

[lino]

Just now, ilumairen said:

 

What if one is guiding oneself in dream state?

 

And of course I've seen the veins in my eyelids when I've closed my eyes. 

Do you still see the veins?

Dream state devices are illegal. I'm not going to take any "guiding" from somebody that takes 40% away from me.

 

[ilumairen]

1 minute ago, lino said:

Do you still see the veins?

Dream state devices are illegal. I'm not going to take any "guiding" from somebody that takes 40% away from me.

 

 

Just closed my eyes while sitting on the porch, and yes the veins are still there.

 

And yeah, 40% seems pretty steep - better to guide oneself if that's the price.