the wall, part of trumps insanity

[ralis]

3 hours ago, MooNiNite said:

All you need is an angle grinder to get through Trump's wall, which is not hard to get.

 

Correct! I posted a picture of an angle grinder with a generator awhile back. In fact upright slats as shown in Trump's sketch will bend and twist without proper cross bracing. Any wall structure above 6 ft. must comply with building codes, which means structural!

Edited February 12, 2019 by ralis

[3bob]

5 hours ago, MooNiNite said:

All you need is an angle grinder to get through Trump's wall, which is not hard to get.

 

a cutting torch on steel is even faster...like in minutes, and if two guys were cutting at the same time even quicker.

 

why are so many people falling for this unhinged,  dangerous fool who only understands cheeseburgers and lies?

 

[Jonesboy]

You do know that the same arguments about the wall not working can be used for any crime.

 

People are going to rape so it is stupid to pass laws to stop or slow it. They can just use a rock to break a window and rape someone in their house.

[Chang]

10 hours ago, 3bob said:

the tweetly disgusting, disgraceful, dishonorable, diseased liar and traitor which trump has repeatedly proven himself to be in public never states facts without him twisting them up or completely denying them to suit his narcissistic megalomaniac ego... 

 

Yes, yes we have heard you ranting on like this in every post. It is not Donalds mental state that you need concern yourself with but your own. Here is my list of questions for you again.

 

1. Why are you so in favour of mass immigration into the USA?

 

2. If such immigration is to continue unimpeded then how many migrants are to be accepted and integrated into North American society. Thousands,  tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions or tens of millions?

 

3.Trump was democratically elected as President and an election pledge was to build this damn wall. That he should keep his election pledge is a given. Do you agree with this?

 

4. Lastly I must ask you to admit that you are in fact opposed to democracy and wish to see a Marxist tyrany descend upon both America and the rest of the world. No need to waffle on like a Soy Boy over this one Bob. A simple yes or no will suffice, though to be fair we all know the answer already.

[Zorro Dantes]

Think for yourselves men! or would you rather have Mr. hunt do your thinking for you!?

The Wall is nothing more than enormous money grab.  Its a Pick pocket move straight up, just like the "tax reform"....

Consider this, the great wall was built for free by today's standards... not to mention if the plot of "the day after tomorrow unfolded" 

[Stosh]

21 minutes ago, Zorro Dantes said:

Think for yourselves men! or would you rather have Mr. hunt do your thinking for you!?

The Wall is nothing more than enormous money grab.  Its a Pick pocket move straight up, just like the "tax reform"....

Consider this, the great wall was built for free by today's standards... not to mention if the plot of "the day after tomorrow unfolded" 

Money grab ?? Who is grabbing for it? umm the people who would get it I presume..Soo its a money grab by construction companies and perhaps defense contractors , to take money out of the defense budget and spend it on ..... policing?  in two democratic and two republican states? 

The Great wall was built by slave and enforced labor that is costly to maintain, the cost savings on slaves , was not much more than for free persons,( and it has often happened that slaveholders divested of slaves in tight financial times.) with materials that had to be paid for , and administrated by well paid administrators. 

That's me thinking for myself.

Edited February 12, 2019 by Stosh

[Zorro Dantes]

Then you would agree. that if you were to try and trade  for goods or food with paper money in those days without gold backing it, they would be like Bruce Lee, make you eat the "money"  and then say...

"This time its paper, next time its glass."

so yeas by today's standards it was free...I didn't say it wasn't atrocious and horribble. 

Its a Corporate GOP/DEM money grab because it doesnt cost billions to make a wall of that nature....I certainly don't need  to be taxed over it. 

[Zorro Dantes]

all so consider this The great wall even after completion also failed in its purpose...

  Now more than ever the people need Zorro! 

 

 

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Edited February 12, 2019 by Zorro Dantes

[ralis]

10 hours ago, Chang said:

 

Yes, yes we have heard you ranting on like this in every post. It is not Donalds mental state that you need concern yourself with but your own. Here is my list of questions for you again.

 

1. Why are you so in favour of mass immigration into the USA?

 

2. If such immigration is to continue unimpeded then how many migrants are to be accepted and integrated into North American society. Thousands,  tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions or tens of millions?

 

3.Trump was democratically elected as President and an election pledge was to build this damn wall. That he should keep his election pledge is a given. Do you agree with this?

 

4. Lastly I must ask you to admit that you are in fact opposed to democracy and wish to see a Marxist tyrany descend upon both America and the rest of the world. No need to waffle on like a Soy Boy over this one Bob. A simple yes or no will suffice, though to be fair we all know the answer already.

 

Since you are a Brit and can't fix your own problems in your depleted empire then why not stick your nose in others business which is so typical! Your accusations are baseless!

[Jonesboy]

30 minutes ago, ralis said:

 

Since you are a Brit and can't fix your own problems in your depleted empire then why not stick your nose in others business which is so typical! Your accusations are baseless!

 

Ahh, those were questions not accusations.

 

A tricky difference I know but there is a difference.

[Chang]

23 minutes ago, ralis said:

 

Since you are a Brit and can't fix your own problems in your depleted empire then why not stick your nose in others business which is so typical! Your accusations are baseless!

 

We have no empire, depleted or otherwise.

 

I have no vote in the USA not being a citizen of your great country but I can and will take an interest in international affairs on which i can and will voice an opinion.

 

My only accusations have been in regard to 3Bob, his political affiliations and his mental state. If you really believe that those accusations are baseless then you need to examine your own mental state as best you can.

 

I have, in the interest of the thread asked 3Bob to answer some simple questions. Unfortunately he is either incapable or unwilling to do so. Perhaps you would care to attempt to answer for him.

 

1. Why are you so in favour of mass immigration into the USA?

 

2. If such immigration is to continue unimpeded then how many migrants are to be accepted and integrated into North American society. Thousands,  tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions or tens of millions?

 

3.Trump was democratically elected as President and an election pledge was to build this damn wall. That he should keep his election pledge is a given. Do you agree with this?

 

4. Lastly I must ask you to admit that you are in fact opposed to democracy and wish to see a Marxist tyrany descend upon both America and the rest of the world. No need to waffle on like a Soy Boy over this one Bob. A simple yes or no will suffice, though to be fair we all know the answer already.

[ralis]

9 minutes ago, Chang said:

 

We have no empire, depleted or otherwise.

 

I have no vote in the USA not being a citizen of your great country but I can and will take an interest in international affairs on which i can and will voice an opinion.

 

My only accusations have been in regard to 3Bob, his political affiliations and his mental state. If you really believe that those accusations are baseless then you need to examine your own mental state as best you can.

 

I have, in the interest of the thread asked 3Bob to answer some simple questions. Unfortunately he is either incapable or unwilling to do so. Perhaps you would care to attempt to answer for him.

 

1. Why are you so in favour of mass immigration into the USA?

 

2. If such immigration is to continue unimpeded then how many migrants are to be accepted and integrated into North American society. Thousands,  tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions or tens of millions?

 

3.Trump was democratically elected as President and an election pledge was to build this damn wall. That he should keep his election pledge is a given. Do you agree with this?

 

4. Lastly I must ask you to admit that you are in fact opposed to democracy and wish to see a Marxist tyrany descend upon both America and the rest of the world. No need to waffle on like a Soy Boy over this one Bob. A simple yes or no will suffice, though to be fair we all know the answer already.

 

I said nothing regarding an assessment of your mental state!

[3bob]

didn't see the post from  chang who is following me around like some kind of psycho  thus he is on ignore...I'd appreciate it if people on this string didn't quote him here with his odd duck insults that then show up - but anyone should surely feel free to respond to him otherwise.   

Edited February 12, 2019 by 3bob

[Chang]

46 minutes ago, 3bob said:

didn't see the post from  chang who is following me around like some kind of psycho  thus he is on ignore...I'd appreciate it if people on this string didn't quote him here with his odd duck insults that then show up - but anyone should surely feel free to respond to him otherwise.   

 

Well 3Bob obviously has no intention of answering my questions which were nothing if not pertinent to this thread.

 

His are the rambling and ravings of a disordered and politically perverted mind. I must assume that he is a hopeless case, the case being so advanced that any person of sound and independent mind will see him for what he is and thereby keep safe from his lunacy.

 

For those who share his disease there is little hope, the tragedy being that the disease is now reaching epidemic proportions in the western world and even those who are themselves immune still suffer the consequences of the madness.

 

For this reason I feel no pity for the likes of 3Bob, whom many see simply as an amusing buffoon, but who is in reality the enemy of Western civilization and is intent on leading us to the abyss.

[MooNiNite]

Edited February 12, 2019 by MooNiNite

[Stosh]

8 minutes ago, Chang said:

 

Well 3Bob obviously has no intention of answering my questions which were nothing if not pertinent to this thread.

 

His are the rambling and ravings of a disordered and politically perverted mind. I must assume that he is a hopeless case, the case being so advanced that any person of sound and independent mind will see him for what he is and thereby keep safe from his lunacy.

 

For those who share his disease there is little hope, the tragedy being that the disease is now reaching epidemic proportions in the western world and even those who are themselves immune still suffer the consequences of the madness.

 

For this reason I feel no pity for the likes of 3Bob, whom many see simply as an amusing buffoon, but who is in reality the enemy of Western civilization and is intent on leading us to the abyss.

Don't take it personal ,if you can help it. While some of us are willing to engage , others are not.

It doesn't mean they are bad people , it just means they they do not understand .... their ideas are not their identity, (if you know what I mean). 

 For the most part , it means that you put your finger right on the open wound, they see where they have no standing, and have to either run away or face outright loss, obfuscate , spin and put people on ignore. 

 

My inverse counterpart , a guy I talk to regularly , ( and who holds every idea in the book- inversely to my own opinion ). 

Like's to recall that Tip O'neil and Ronald Reagan used to fight bitterly over policy - and then go out and have dinner together. Their person-hood was not invalidated by threats to abstract opinions about policy.

And as long as you keep the hits above the belt ,things should be ok , regardless of bias. 

[MooNiNite]

21 minutes ago, Chang said:

 

 

Nice photo. Socialists usually dont think they have anything to lose though, because they dont have anything anyways and dont have the resolve to obtain it.

 

[Apech]

This is a happy little thread.

 

Unfortunately I have a depleted empire to run so don't have time to comment.

[Jonesboy]

43 minutes ago, Apech said:

This is a happy little thread.

 

Unfortunately I have a depleted empire to run so don't have time to comment.

 

Learn to delegate, that’s how I do it.

[3bob]

so  when is trump going back to Saudi Arabia to dance around with those cold blooded lying murderers?  I'm sure he is also looking forward to getting more gold metals  hung around his neck and I bet he can't wait to have a good old time laughing and bullshitting, with his buddies since the media has largely been consumed with his beautiful "wall" and shutdown distractions;  all the while a supposedly American protected journalists murder goes unpunished for the planner and the case more or less being lost in the woodwork regardless of proof?  Btw,  I hear 50 of trump's rally fanatics and 50 of his absolute apologists  are flying on Air Force One with him and will be treated to all the cheeseburgers and fries they can eat both there and back...what a life!

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/13/politics/tom-barrack-trump-donor-khashoggi/index.htm

Edited February 14, 2019 by 3bob

[3bob]

update on our "emergency" with the liar, cheat and thief extraordinaire. (among his hundred other anti-virtues!)

 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/02/16/se-cupp-monologue-trump-national-emergency-unfiltered-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

[Jonesboy]

3bob,

 

Let’s look at some numbers shall we?

 

 

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Here are five facts about the unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S.

 

1There were 10.7 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. in 2016, representing 3.3% of the total U.S. population that year. The 2016 unauthorized immigrant total is a 13% decline from the peak of 12.2 million in 2007, when this group was 4% of the U.S. population.

2The number of Mexican unauthorized immigrants declined since 2007, but the total from other nations changed little.Mexicans made up half of all unauthorized immigrants in 2016, according to the Center’s estimate, compared with 57% in 2007. Their numbers (and share of the total) have been declining in recent years: There were 5.4 million Mexican unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. in 2016, down from 6.9 million in 2007.

Meanwhile, the total from other nations, 5.2 million in 2016, remained about the same as in 2007, when it was 5.3 million. The number of unauthorized immigrants has grown since 2007 only from one birth region: Central America, from 1.5 million that year to nearly 1.9 million in 2016. This growth was fueled mainly by immigrants from the Northern Triangle nations of El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras.

The totals also went down over the 2007-2016 period from South America and the combined region of Europe plus Canada. The remaining regions (the Caribbean, Asia, Middle East-North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa and the rest of the world) did not change significantly in that time.

 

3The U.S. civilian workforce includes 7.8 million unauthorized immigrants, representing a decline since 2007. Between 2007 and 2016, the number of unauthorized immigrant workers fell, as did their share of the total U.S. workforce over the same period. This group accounted for 4.8% of those in the U.S. who were working or were unemployed and looking for work. The number of unauthorized immigrant men in the prime working ages of 18 to 44 also declined, but not women.

Compared with their 4.8% share of the civilian workforce overall in 2016, unauthorized immigrants are overrepresented as a share of the workforce in farming occupations (24%) and construction occupations (15%). In all industries and occupations, though, they are outnumbered by U.S.-born workers.

4Six states account for 58% of unauthorized immigrants: California, Texas, Florida, New York, New Jersey and Illinois. But individual states have experienced different trends. From 2007 to 2016, the unauthorized immigrant population decreased in a dozen states: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York and Oregon. In three states, the unauthorized immigrant population rose over the same period: Louisiana, Maryland and Massachusetts.



5A rising share of unauthorized immigrants have lived in the U.S. for more than a decade. About two-thirds (66%) of unauthorized immigrant adults in 2016 had been in the U.S. more than 10 years, compared with 41% in 2007. A declining share of unauthorized immigrants have lived in the U.S. for less than five years – 18% of adults in 2016, compared with 30% in 2007. In 2016, unauthorized immigrant adults had lived in the U.S. for a median of 14.8 years, meaning that half had been in the country at least that long.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/28/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
 

 

 

 

So the questions are, how many millions of people does it take to become an emergency? Why is it so wrong to try to stop such huge numbers of people illegally entering the country?

 

When you look at the numbers, millions of people and 33% of all women are sexually assaulted. How could you not want to stop that?

Edited February 17, 2019 by Jonesboy

[3bob]

Thanks guy, I'll have to look into those charts...and of course we have lots of people at or near the border sites saying trump is full of it and largely doing things related to the "wall" for his incredibly sick and twisted grandiose ego! 

[dawei]

We certainly can't blame Trump for the wall... the history and voting on it is easy to find.  He just wants to try and finish it, which will happen one of these days over the next 100 years.  The fact is, the sooner the better for several reasons, paramount would be costs and getting the problem under control so newer tactics can be decided on.

 

I'm not see much new in the charts as folks have talked about the decline... I think the caravans compound a major problem of resources.   

 

Both Bush's, Clinton and Obama send troops to the border, McCain pleaded for more troops and money as the border had 'greatly detoriated' adding that Congress needed to repeal the 2008 human trafficking law. “The message has to be, ‘If you cross our border illegally, you will be returned immediately,' ” he said.  Members were calling on  Obama to do something... Other members : “The reason we are witnessing the surge of unaccompanied alien children along our southwestern border is because the President and his Administration have refused to enforce existing immigration laws.  Time and again, this President has chosen to pursue his own policies that are in direct contradiction with U.S. law.  I’m calling on the President to obey the Rule of Law, and to quickly resolve the current situation at our southern border,”

 

Obama called it a 'crisis' and said, " Last month, 20,000 migrant children were illegally brought into the United States -- a dramatic increase," he said. "These children are used as human pawns by vicious coyotes and ruthless gangs."  A few years earlier he said, "I strongly believe that we should take on, once and for all, the issue of illegal immigration. And I am prepared to work with Republicans and Democrats to protect our borders, enforce our laws and address the millions of undocumented workers who are now living in the shadows,"" The Washington post called it 'epic proportions'.   The media as largely behind the idea of a 'crisis'.

 

The Huffington Post said the humanitarian crisis was 'shocking' (and provided photos).  NBC reported that flooding the border causes for the 'crisis'. there was no outrage when Obama said essentially the same thing that Trump has said.   They helped in much need apprehensions and drug seizures. 

 

There is a long history of agreement that the border becomes a crisis situation requiring military assistance... this is proof enough that an incomplete wall is a problem.   That we have to get the military to help in some form makes this an emergency as it means we don't have the man power to do the job in a normal fashion.   We should plug the holes and move on to better border security ideas for the next generations.

[3bob]

our number one problem is to first get  traitor trump, who is also a pathological liar, cheat and thief extraordinaire out of the WH and in court to be tried for his many crimes!   Anyone who thinks truth can come from a lie apparently does not know that 1+1 does not equal 3...it's as simple  as that regardless of the mountains of double-talk from talking heads!   (Pence is no better, being trumps puppet and enabler for the worst of worst potus in the  entire  history of the US,  although traitor trump  has proven himself more dangerous than Pence ) 

Edited February 20, 2019 by 3bob