flowing hands Posted March 10, 2019 9 hours ago, voidisyinyang said: A catastrophe of unimaginable proportions is unfolding. (source - climate scientist at link) Life is disappearing from Earth and all life could be gone within one decade. Study after study is showing the size of the threat, yet many people seem out to hide what we're facing. Crossing these tipping points triggers a number of feedbacks that kick in at accelerating speed, including even more absorption of heat by the Arctic Ocean, further changes to the Jet Stream resulting in even more extreme weather, seafloor methane release, water vapor feedback and emissions from land such as CH₄ (methane), N₂O (nitrous oxide) and NOₓ (nitrogen oxide), due to permafrost melt, storms and forest fires. Temperatures also threaten to rise strongly over the next few years as sulfate cooling falls away while more black carbon and brown carbon gets emitted as more wood gets burned and more forest fires occur. A recent study points at yet another tipping point, i.e. the disappearance of marine stratus clouds, which could result in a global temperature rise of eight degrees Celsius (8°C or 14.4°F). In the model used in the study, the tipping point starts to occur at 1,200 ppm CO₂e, i.e. a stack of greenhouse gases including CH₄, N₂O, CO₂ and H₂O, and changes in clouds resulted in global surface warming of 8°C at 1,300 ppm CO₂e, as stratocumulus decks did break up into cumulus clouds and evaporation strengthened, and average longwave cooling at the level of the cloud tops dropped to less than 10% of what it was in the presence of stratocumulus decks. This 8°C rise would come on top of the warming that would already have occurred due to other warming elements, resulting in a total rise of as 18°C or 32.4°F from preindustrial, as pictured on the right and below. What would it take to reach 1200 ppm CO₂e? The IPCC's AR4 contains a scenario of 1,200 ppm CO₂e getting reached with a corresponding temperature rise of between ~5°C and ~10°C above preindustrial. NOAA's figures for greenhouse gases add up to a current level of 500 ppm CO₂e. NOAA's figure for methane's GWP is too low, especially when considering a rise within a decade. When using this 500 ppm CO₂e, it would take 700 ppm to reach 1,200 ppm, and if 1 ppm equals 7.81 Gt of CO₂, then 700 ppm equals 5467 Gt of CO₂, which may seem a lot, but at a GWP for methane of 130 (10-year horizon) it could be reached instantly with a burst of methane of some 42 Gt, i.e. less than Natalia Shakhova's warning that 50 Gt of methane is ready for release at any time. In above image, further warming elements are included, in addition to methane and CO₂ and it takes until the year 2026. As an earlier study points out, life on Earth will already have disappeared with a 5°C rise (see box on the right). How precious life is It took a long time for life to evolve on Earth. At first, hardly any species could live on land, as there was no ozone layer to protect them from UV radiation. Also, there was no oxygen in the air to breathe. Life formed some 3 billion years ago and bacteria first developed the ability to decompose carbon dioxide (and produce oxygen) some 2.3 billion years ago. Then, worm-like creatures started to multiply strongly, using more and more oxygen and producing more and more carbon dioxide. Eventually, this resulted in a sharp fall in oxygen levels, leading to extinction of these species. This first mass extinction was followed by a spike in oxygen as both the species in the oceans and plants on land continued to produce oxygen, while these first animals went extinct. Temperature changes dominate in subsequent mass extinctions, and each time it took life a long time to recover. We've now entered the Sixth Mass Extinction, as oxygen levels are falling, oceans are acidifying and species are going extinct at accelerating rates. A 2013 study calculated that species are facing warming that occurs 10,000 x faster than their natural ability to adapt. A rise of 18°C or 32.4°F by 2026? The speed at which temperatures and greenhouse gas levels are now jointly rising is so large and so unprecedented in Earth's history that many doubt that there will be any life left on Earth by 2026. The situation is dire and calls for comprehensive and effective action, as described in the Climate Plan. Can humanity change its course? Given that humanity appears to be on a course to omnicidal destruction, what position can we best take in response? In the light of the dire situation, dramatic reduction in pollution is needed, as well as further action. Indeed, the Paris Agreement constitutes a global commitment to comprehensive and effective action. The Climate Plan calls for multiple parallel lines of action (the green lines on the image below). The green lines of action each need to be implemented in parallel, i.e. no line of action should wait for another, nor should action on one line be used as an excuse to delay action on another line. Where lines of action are grouped together in three parts, numbers merely show relationships with the kinds of warming pictured at the top of the image. While implementation of some of these lines of action requires U.N. supervision, the Climate Plan prefers local implementation, with communities deciding what works best locally, provided a community does take sufficient action to achieve the necessary dramatic reductions in each type of pollution. Examples of implementation of some of these lines of action are depicted in the image below, showing examples of how progress can be achieved through local feebates. Where progress is lacking, swift escalation is recommended as follows: 1. Where a local community fails to make progress, state (or provincial) fees are imposed in that locality. 2. Where a state fails to make progress, national fees are imposed in the state. 3. Where a nation fails to make progress, other nations impose fees on imports from and export to that nation with revenues used to fund clean development in the other nations. Warm air and water moving toward the Arctic Ocean The need for action such as marine cloud brightening is illustrated by the following two images. The image below shows that, despite the presence of large amounts of meltwater off the North American coast, sea surface temperatures on March 2, 2019, were as much as 13.8°C or 24.8°F warmer than during 1981-2011, indicating how much more ocean heat is now carried to the Arctic Ocean along the Gulf Stream. How is it possible for anomalies to get this high? As the Arctic is warming up faster than the rest of the world, the Jet Stream is becoming more wavy. A more wavy Jet Stream enables more cold air to move out of the Arctic. As a result, cold Arctic air can descend deep into the North American continent. At the same time, a more wavy Jet Stream enables more warm air and water to move into the Arctic. This is illustrated by the February 24, 2019, combination image that shows temperature on the left and the Jet Stream on the right. As oceans get warmer, the temperature difference between land and oceans also increases in Winter. This larger temperature difference results in stronger winds that can carry more warm, moist air north in the North Atlantic. These winds can also speed up the amount of heat carried by the Gulf Stream toward the Arctic Ocean, with the threat that a large influx of warm, salty water will destabilize sediments at the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean and trigger eruption of huge amounts of methane. In conclusion, the situation is dire and calls for comprehensive and effective action, as described at the action, policies and feebates pages at the Climate Plan. Links • Possible climate transitions from breakup of stratocumulus decks under greenhouse warming, by Tapio Schneider et al. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0310-1 • High CO2 Levels Can Destabilize Marine Layer Clouds (News release associated with above study) https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/high-cosub2sub-levels-can-destabilize-marine-layer-clouds • Early Palaeozoic ocean anoxia and global warming driven by the evolution of shallow burrowing, by Sebastiaan van de Velde et al. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04973-4 • Brock University-led team discovers way of tapping into and testing Earth’s prehistoric air https://brocku.ca/brock-news/2016/07/brock-university-led-team-discovers-way-of-tapping-into-and-testing-earths-prehistoric-air • Rates of projected climate change dramatically exceed past rates of climatic niche evolution among vertebrate species, by Ignacio Quintero et al. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ele.12144 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/242016225_Rates_of_projected_climate_change_dramatically_exceed_past_rates_of_climatic_niche_evolution_among_vertebrate_species • Extinction Alert https://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2019/02/extinction-alert.html • Co-extinctions annihilate planetary life during extreme environmental change, by Giovanni Strona and Corey Bradshaw (2018) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-35068-1 • Climate Plan https://arctic-news.blogspot.com/p/climateplan.html • Extinction https://arctic-news.blogspot.com/p/extinction.html In the Arctic alone, four tipping points look set to be crossed within a few years: Loss of the Arctic sea ice's ability to act as a buffer to absorb incoming ocean heat Loss of Arctic sea ice's ability to reflect sunlight back into space (albedo) Destabilization of sediments at the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean Permafrost melt I agree! 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Jonesboy Posted March 10, 2019 9 hours ago, voidisyinyang said: Cherry Blossoms' Peak Bloom Is an Indicator of Climate Change - Eos https://eos.org/articles/cherry-blossoms-peak-bloom-is-an-indicator-of-climate-change Did you even read the headline of the link to so the dangers? Japan’s cherry blossoms signal warmest climate in more than 1,000 years. Signal, climate could move the blossom date by 10 days. It wasn’t the warmest in a 1000 yrs. So your own article discredits what you are say. More fear mongering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonesboy Posted March 10, 2019 9 hours ago, voidisyinyang said: https://www.pnas.org/content/115/36/E8349.short Decreasing fire season precipitation increased recent western US forest wildfire activity Zachary A. Holden, Alan Swanson, Charles H. Luce, W. Matt Jolly, Marco Maneta, Jared W. Oyler, Dyer A. Warren, Russell Parsons, and David Affleck PNAS September 4, 2018 115 (36) E8349-E8357; published ahead of print August 20, 2018 https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1802316115 https://www.biogeosciences.net/16/57/2019/ Emergent relationships with respect to burned area in global satellite observations and fire-enabled vegetation models Matthias Forkel1,Niels Andela2,Sandy P. Harrison3,Gitta Lasslop4,Margreet van Marle5,Emilio Chuvieco6,Wouter Dorigo1,Matthew Forrest4,Stijn Hantson7,Angelika Heil8,Fang Li9,Joe Melton10,Stephen Sitch11,Chao Yue12,and Almut Arneth13 1Climate and Environmental Remote Sensing Group, Department of Geodesy and Geoinformation, Technische Universität Wien, Vienna, Austria 2Biospheric Sciences Laboratory, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD, USA 3Department of Geography and Environmental Science, University of Reading, Reading, UK 4Senckenberg Biodiversity and Climate Research Centre, Frankfurt am Main, Germany 5Deltares, Delft, the Netherlands 6Environmental Remote Sensing Research Group, Department of Geology, Geography and the Environment, Universidad de Alcalá, Alcalá de Henares, Spain 7Geospatial Data Solutions Center, University of California, Irvine, CA, USA 8Department for Atmospheric Chemistry, Max Planck Institute for Chemistry, Mainz, Germany 9International Center for Climate and Environmental Sciences, Institute of Atmospheric Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, China 10Climate Research Division, Environment Canada, Victoria, BC, Canada 11College of Life and Environmental Sciences, University of Exeter, Exeter, UK 12Laboratoire des Sciences du Climat et de l'Environnement, Gif-sur-Yvette, France 13Atmospheric Environmental Research, Institute of Meteorology and Climate Research, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology, Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany Wildfire area burn in California has actually decreased historically. So Wrong again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonesboy Posted March 10, 2019 9 hours ago, voidisyinyang said: http://psc.apl.uw.edu/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/ 2008? Nice one! Even your site only has records from 1979. That is a very short time to declare the sky is falling. In recent years Ice has been growing. Arctic sea ice volume continues its eleven year long expansion. Spreadsheet There has been a large expansion of thick ice into the Chukchi, Beaufort and East Siberian Seas since 2008. 2008 2019 Arctic sea ice extent is close to the 1981-2010 median. N_daily_extent.png (420×500) Experts describe this expansion of Arctic ice and normal levels of ice as being a melting death spiral, which is wreaking havoc on weather patterns. They say the Arctic is gone, and ask what “we” can do to stop it. The world’s leading climate expert predicted the Arctic would be ice-free last year. The Argus-Press – Google News Archive Search And a Nobel laureate predicted the ice would be gone five years ago. His science fiction movie has been shown to nearly every public school child in the world. Gore: Polar ice cap may disappear by summer 2014 A simple solution for the press, scientists, educators and politicians would be to simply stop lying about the climate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted March 10, 2019 52 minutes ago, Jonesboy said: Even your site only has records from 1979. So you are relying on the Danish meteorological Institute (DMI) So we can quote from their scientist: Quote “Spikes in temperature are part of the normal weather patterns – what has been unusual about this event is that it has persisted for so long and that it has been so warm,” said Ruth Mottram of the Danish Meteorological Institute. “Going back to the late 1950s at least we have never seen such high temperatures in the high Arctic.” and Quote "Since the 1970s the extent of sea ice has been measured from satellites. From these measurements we know that the sea ice extent today is significantly smaller than 30 years ago. During the past 10 years the melting of sea ice has accelerated, and especially during the ice extent minimum in September large changes are observed. The sea ice in the northern hemisphere have never been thinner and more vulnerable." https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/another-arctic-ice-panic-world-temperatures-plummet-the-telegraph-christopher-booker/ and so the image you are using? Quote But DMI scientists explain that the article “fundamentally misrepresents both our research and the operational data products we provide”. Dan Jones, Physical Oceanographer, British Antarctic Survey: This article suffers from a common error in reasoning. The author focuses on individual “snapshots” of the state of the climate while ignoring the long-term trends. Those trends occur over many decades and must be observed/considered over those time scales. Andrew King, Research fellow, University of Melbourne: This paper peddles common misconceptions about climate change to suggest that global warming is not a problem. It’s extremely misleading and can be easily debunked based on peer-reviewed literature. William Anderegg, Associate Professor, University of Utah: This article is highly misleading and factually inaccurate. Jan Lenaerts, Assistant Professor, University of Colorado, Boulder: This article mixes short-term weather phenomena and long-term climate trends, and uses logical fallacies and cherry-picked evidence to make a false claim. Alek Petty, Postdoctoral associate, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center: Terrible article: Making up facts, cherry picking data, consulting non-scientists, and spouting nonsense. Daniel Swain, Researcher, UCLA, and Research Fellow, National Center for Atmospheric Research: For its short length, this article contains an impressive number of falsehoods and willful misinterpretations of data. Essentially all the climate-related claims therein are either demonstrably false or “cherry picked.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted March 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Stosh said: Then I don't want to live in that kind of ecologically manner. And I already saw all that stuff you flooded the thread with, in an attempt to force your opinion, so I didn't look at any of it. That is the beauty of Mother Nature - the truth of ecological apocalypse will happen whether you choose to ignore - or practice "self-censorship" - it's TOO LATE - there's nothing that can be done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) Still rather busy and to the believers that think increasing the volume of CO2 in the biosphere is infinitely beneficial for plants is a misnomer. Increased plant growth due to CO2 increases sugar content and decreases nutritional value. When I have time I will post the research. All plants have a very narrow range of growth factors, genetics, temperature, soil ph, light, CO2, water, root microbial ecosystem and so forth. Evolutionary adaptation describes life in the biosphere and any small disruptive initial condition can and will result in large changes to the system. Edited March 10, 2019 by ralis 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted March 10, 2019 Quote Ice in the Bering Sea drops to lowest level since 1850 by Andrew Freedman: "For the second straight year, the Bering Sea — a turbulent and bountiful stretch of the northern Pacific Ocean — is virtually ice free at a time of year when it should be gaining ice." snip https://www.axios.com/bering-sea-ice-vanishing-a23bacda-a08d-4ec7-9124-419b90b984a2.html March is normally when people would be crabbing and fishing out on the ice. That's not happening now. The sea ice loss makes hunting animals like walrus and seals, which serve as key food sources for native Alaskans in coastal villages, far more risky: It's much harder to haul a dead walrus into a boat than up onto solid ice. Communities exposed to high seas are seeing severe erosion and threats to their infrastructure. Adaptation to Future Water Shortages in the United States Caused by Population Growth and Climate Change Thomas C. Brown Vinod Mahat Jorge A. Ramirez Earth's Future First Published: 28 February 2019 Climate change and population growth will combine to increase the likelihood of water shortages in many areas of the United States Expected improvements in water use efficiency will be insufficient to avoid impending water shortages Reductions in agricultural irrigation will be essential to contain shortages in other water use sectors and avoid excess groundwater drawdown or environmental flow losses Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thelerner Posted March 10, 2019 Wonder if it would help if the main controversy was water? That's something we all know and regard intimately. That as Void points out water shortages will be a bigger deal in the future. Aquifers ancient and not are being depleted. Mountainous snowfall is getting increasingly sparse for many ranges. The word drought too often has 5 year and 10 preceding it. I find global unrest ie revolution, often has its roots in drought. Drought leads quickly to famine. Solutions to this have to be holistic and wide spanning and compliment each other. High tech and low. From the grass roots to the very top. I assume the solutions will be close to what the solutions for 'global warming/climate change/weather weirding' are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted March 10, 2019 Addendum to my last post. https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/effects-of-rising-atmospheric-concentrations-of-carbon-13254108 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted March 11, 2019 On 3/10/2019 at 3:29 PM, thelerner said: Wonder if it would help if the main controversy was water? That's something we all know and regard intimately. That as Void points out water shortages will be a bigger deal in the future. Yes I actually pointed out the water shortage back in 2000 - and someone had a letter published saying my views were completely wrong. haha. I'll post my op-ed that was published in the University of Minnesota back in 2000 - predicting this specific water shortage. Quote The Great Lakes are an indispensable source of drinking water for more than 48 million people in the U.S. and Canada. But in six large cities on the shorelines, residents are facing a cost crisis.WBEZ reporter Maria Ines Zamudio discusses the findings of a nine-month investigation by American Public Media, Great Lakes Today and NPR with Hari Sreenivasan. April, 2000 MN Daily staff op-ed, drew hempel The Great Lakes will be at record lows because of lack of snow that feeds 40 percent of their annual water supply. This disturbing situation has been attributed to global warming, and according to the United Nations, the influence of major transnational corporations extends over about 50 percent of all greenhouse gas emissions. What's received less attention is that large corporations are also attempting to raid the Great Lakes. One government agency already gave permission for 600 million liters of Great Lakes water to be filled into tankers and sent to Asia over the next five years. A temporary moratorium was achieved, but the move to conserve water will be brought to the World Trade Organization as a violation of the supposed rights of corporate rule. Through Reaganite corporate-state subsidies, California ironically has become the new dairy state at the expense of rural Wisconsin family livelihood -- including their future ability to drink water. California recently attempted to pipe water from Wisconsin. According to the Worldwatch Institute, agriculture accounts for two-thirds of all irrigated fresh water use while industrial production in general accounts for 50 to 80 percent of fresh water demand. But it's not just corporate-state water use in California; it's also the corporate pollution of water. Silicon "computer" Valley has more Superfund sites -- most of them affecting groundwater -- than any other area its size in the country. And 60 percent of the United States' liquid hazardous wastes -- 34 billion liters of solvents, heavy metals and radioactive materials -- is directly injected into the ground, the main source for fresh water. In 1996, the journal Science reported that the global supply of fresh water will be used up in 30 years at current usage rates. According to the Stanford researchers who authored the study, there is no "hidden water," and current foreseeable technologies, like desalinization, were factored into their findings. But greed-driven corporations are tapping into that grim projection to maximize profits for their own pea-brained drive to extinction. In just a few short years, through more than 130 acquisitions, American Toxic Control has been transformed into U.S. Filter Inc., with $5 billion in annual revenues, making it 10 times the size of its nearest competitor. As controller at U.S. Filter, Richard Heckmann states, "How could it be that there is no Intel, I.B.M., General Motors or Toys 'R' Us in the water business?" he asked. "You can live without all those things. Five days without water, you're dead." Apparently Dan Quayle agrees since he sits on the U.S. Filter Inc. board, joined by the Bass brother finance speculators who threw in a cool, refreshing $250 million. The time is right to create a giant corporation that transforms the public right to water into a scarce luxury item for those privy to the secret magic of money. Based on a 1998 water study by Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, "To avoid catastrophe ... it is important to act now." Our clear answer to the water crisis, according to the scientific researchers, can be summed up in one word: conservation. Secret global corporate rule, though, blocks environmental issues, labeling them barriers to corporate WTO trade. U.S. corporate-state rule has been consistent in its priorities ever since the founding aristocrats, like John Jay, planned to keep the rich in power against the threat of democracy. George Kennan, as head of the State Department, authored a top-secret document that reflects these elite goals on a global scale: "We have about 50 percent of the world's wealth, but only 6.3 percent of its population ... Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity ... We should cease to talk about vague and -- for the Far East -- unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards and democratization ... The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better." Similarly, now declassified U.S. National Security Council documents clearly outline policies to support destructive regimes in order to maintain wealth for the corporate-state elite. In fact, after World War II, the U.S. corporate-state elite attacked democracy movements worldwide and reinstated fascist regimes, brutally promoting power to a few. There's an interesting hidden history to undemocratic, destructive corporate rule. Did colonists plead for a more "socially responsible" king? The colonists demanded their inalienable, natural right to sovereignty. The king, though, was the only sovereign of the land and the king was also the only source of corporate charters. Most of the 13 colonies were actually crown charters (i.e. the Massachusetts Bay Trading Company). The list of grievances attached to the Declaration of Independence stemmed from the corporate rule of the king. After democracy was achieved, corporate charters were deliberately put into the hands of the state legislatures, were issued for only special purposes and had extremely limited powers. Corporate charters were routinely revoked and the corporate assets reinvested by the public. President Lincoln warned, though, shortly after the Civil War, that the growing threat of corporate rule was worse than the war and would, unless stopped, destroy the republic. Just as he predicted in 1886, a bought-out robber-baron judge declared that corporations are protected by the Bill of Rights and have legal "personhood" -- thus subverting our democracy. That same year 230 state laws controlling corporations were overturned in district courts. Between 1890 and 1910, 307 cases went to the Supreme Court based on the anti-slavery 14th Amendment. But only 19 cases were from African-Americans, while 288 were corporations seeking their new constitutional personhood "right to due process." The Bill of Rights ironically continues to be the main vehicle for destructive undemocratic corporate rule. Most state constitutions still require the attorney general to revoke the charter of any corporation that continuously violates the public good. With the knowledge of this hidden history exposed, in the last few years the public has rescinded two corporate charters. The global sovereignty movement grows increasingly thirsty for democratic revolution. The future of water depends on declaring independence from corporate rule. Drew Hempel's column appears on alternate Thursdays. He welcomes comments at [email protected]. Send letters to [email protected] 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windwalker Posted March 14, 2019 a different view of whats going on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, windwalker said: a different view of whats going on At what point in time will you actually post an analysis based on science? Honestly, if you don’t have even a modicum of science classes just say so. Just don’t lean on cut/paste with no facts. A paid shill sponsored by the Heartland Institute who is not even a climatologist. Edited March 14, 2019 by ralis 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windwalker Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, ralis said: At what point in time will you actually post an analysis based on science? Honestly, if you don’t have even a modicum of science classes just say so. Just don’t lean on cut/paste with no facts. A paid shill sponsored by the Heartland Institute who is not even a climatologist. why is everyone you and some others don't agree with a shill, do you even understand his view point. you talk about cut/past,,,coming from you its very funny....as you like to say. read his book... Quote Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth just more shils as you and some others always point out. ..... Edited March 14, 2019 by windwalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windwalker Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) more shills and cut and past Quote an instance where CO2 was sustained at 400 ppm or greater. For a 2009 study, published in the journal Science, scientists analyzed shells in deep sea sediments to estimate past CO2 levels, and found that CO2 levels have not been as high as they are now for at least the past 10 to 15 million years, during the Miocene epoch. “This was a time when global temperatures were substantially warmer than today, and there was very little ice around anywhere on the planet. And so sea level was considerably higher — around 100 feet higher — than it is today,” said Pennsylvania State University climate scientist Michael Mann, in an email conversation. “It is for this reason that some climate scientists, like James Hansen, have argued that even current-day CO2 levels are too high. There is the possibility that we’ve already breached the threshold of truly dangerous human influence on our climate and planet.” https://www.climatecentral.org/news/the-last-time-co2-was-this-high-humans-didnt-exist-15938 presently living in a place called the columbia gorge Very, very beautiful and dramatic " Although the river slowly eroded the land over this period of time, the most drastic changes took place at the end of the last Ice Age when the Missoula Floods cut the steep, dramatic walls that exist today, flooding the river as high up as Crown Point.[3] This quick erosion left many layers of volcanic rock exposed." Edited March 14, 2019 by windwalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, windwalker said: why is everyone you and some others don't agree with a shill, do you even understand his view point. you talk about cut/past,,,coming from you its very funny....as you like to say. read his book... https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth just more shils as you and some others always point out. ..... Quote Up until 2000, this was a huge boost to the global economy, but since then there has been a diminishing rate of return as resources become more expensive to extract and the environmental costs become harder to ignore. Extractive industries are responsible for half of the world’s carbon emissions and more than 80% of biodiversity loss, according to the most comprehensive environmental tally undertaken of mining and farming. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/mar/12/resource-extraction-carbon-emissions-biodiversity-loss Quote Resources are being extracted from the planet three times faster than in 1970, even though the population has only doubled in that time, according to the Global Resources Outlook, which was released in Nairobi on Tuesday. https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/whats-left-of-the-worlds-wilderness-just-23 Quote "Seventy-seven percent of land (excluding Antarctica) and 87 percent of the ocean has been modified by the direct effects of human activities," states a new paper in Nature. Just 5 countries — Russia, Canada, Australia, the U.S., and Brazil — contain 70 percent of the world's wilderness (excluding Antarctica). The paper emphasizes the urgent need to protect large-scale ecosystems, calling them a buffer against the Anthropocene. authors, James E. M. Watson, James R. Allan and colleagues, write: Quote "Between 1993 and 2009, an area of terrestrial wilderness larger than India — a staggering 3.3 million square kilometres — was lost to human settlement, farming, mining and other pressures. In the ocean, areas that are free of industrial fishing, pollution and shipping are almost completely confined to the polar regions." https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/forests-climate-change-co2-greenhouse-gases-trillion-trees-global-warming-a8782071.html Quote “There’s 400 gigatons now, in the 3 trillion trees, and if you were to scale that up by another trillion trees that’s in the order of hundreds of gigatons captured from the atmosphere – at least 10 years of anthropogenic emissions completely wiped out,” he said. While the exact figures are yet to be released, he said trees had emerged as “our most powerful weapon in the fight against climate change”. Dr Crowther discussed his findings at the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) meeting in Washington DC. Edited March 14, 2019 by voidisyinyang Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted March 14, 2019 11 hours ago, windwalker said: a different view of whats going on 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windwalker Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, voidisyinyang said: In yours and rails words, the one who made the clip must be another shil, right? Edited March 14, 2019 by windwalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted March 14, 2019 Prager U has about as much credibility as Trump University. Whereas, the former should be shut down for fraudulently claiming it is a university. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windwalker Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, ralis said: Prager U has about as much credibility as Trump University. Whereas, the former should be shut down for fraudulently claiming it is a university. Whats the back ground of speaker in the clip "voidisyinyang " posted Do you know? Its a little boring reading comments claiming that so, and so is a shill, while all those clips or what ever posted by those who feel so are not with out equal visibility of the back ground of where or who is presenting the information. lets try this is this clip made by shills....are they wrong? in the past was the Co2 level higher, lower or the same as today. Is this a true statement Quote The last time there was this much carbon dioxide (CO2) in the Earth's atmosphere, modern humans didn't exist. Megatoothed sharks prowled the oceans, the world's seas were up to 100 feet higher than they are today, and the global average surface temperature was up to 11°F warmer than it is now. As we near the record for the highest CO2 concentration in human history — 400 parts per million — climate scientists worry about where we were then, and where we're rapidly headed now. https://www.climatecentral.org/news/the-last-time-co2-was-this-high-humans-didnt-exist-15938 Are they shills? If at one time the Co2 was equal or greater whats the problem with it being so now? If seas were up to 100 feet higher then today, whats the problem with "Sea Level Rise Is Accelerating: 4 Inches Per Decade (or More) by 2100" 4 inches per decade, at one time it was a 100ft higher. which they ? Edited March 15, 2019 by windwalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted March 15, 2019 On 3/14/2019 at 12:45 PM, windwalker said: Is this a true statement Are they shills? USGS and Yale University make a Shill propaganda video covering up the ESAS methane bomb: https://frozen.earth/2019/02/yale-university-goes-out-of-its-way-to-say-nothing-to-see-here-on-permafrost/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted March 16, 2019 21 hours ago, voidisyinyang said: USGS and Yale University make a Shill propaganda video covering up the ESAS methane bomb: https://frozen.earth/2019/02/yale-university-goes-out-of-its-way-to-say-nothing-to-see-here-on-permafrost/ That was an excellent video. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, ralis said: That was an excellent video. Quote The findings, published in Nature Geosciences, may solve a long-standing mystery about the early Eocene Epoch 50 million years ago, when temperatures were about 12 degrees warmer than today. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/02/26/world/science-health-world/global-warming-imperils-stratocumulus-clouds-deter-hothouse-earth-scientists/ Quote Marine clouds that protect us from hothouse Earth conditions by reflecting sunlight back into space could break up and vanish if carbon dioxide in the atmosphere triples, researchers warned Monday. “Our results show that there are dangerous climate change thresholds of which we were unaware,” said Tapio Schneider, a scientist at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, and lead author of a study detailing the findings. Stratocumulus clouds cover about 20 percent of subtropical oceans, mostly near western seaboards such as the coasts of California, Mexico and Peru. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted March 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, voidisyinyang said: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/02/26/world/science-health-world/global-warming-imperils-stratocumulus-clouds-deter-hothouse-earth-scientists/ I was thinking about non linear dynamic systems/cybernetic feed back loops and how what you just posted relates. One initial condition such as CO2 CH4 will cause massive changes out of control. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
