Climate Change

[ralis]

3 hours ago, Stosh said:

As far as I remember , from my aquarium days , its really pretty difficult to cause acidification of seawater. Its very high in its buffering capacity , the oceans are huge , and the percentage of CO2 released has only increased by maybe 0.02%. ( comparing weights of all hydrocarbons burnt to the weight of CO2 in the atmosphere , and that doesn't even discount CO2 uptake by plants. ) 

One should easily admit that- absolutely any output of CO2 is going to have some impact on the ph of the world , but that would include a babies breathing , and at the level at which error is unavoidable in any testing , one should consider if the data one is trying to explain is really just background noise. 

The earth has seen temps and CO2 levels higher than todays , and lower. If one looks only at the recent uptick without understanding that the changes are cyclic , they may start running around like the stone age cavepeople who thought an eclipse was a presage to the end of the world. 

 

 

I don’t have the time at the moment and will state factual research regarding oceanic ph which has changed. 

[Stosh]

Heck , I will even tell you my counter arguments before hand. 

 

"In all three cases, the theory or model says that increasing atmospheric CO2 will make the oceans less basic by increasing the concentration of H+ ions and reducing calcium carbonate saturation. This is supposed to reduce the calcification rates of carbonate shell-building organisms. When, in fact, the opposite is occurring in nature with reefs and coccoliths – Calcification rates are generally increasing. And in empirical experiments under laboratory conditions, otoliths grew (rather than shrank) when subjected to high levels of simulated atmospheric CO2.

In the cases of reefs and coccoliths, one answer is that the relatively minor increase in atmospheric CO2 over the last couple of hundred years has enhanced photosynthesis more than it has hampered marine carbonate geochemistry. However, the otoliths (fish ear bones) shouldn’t really benefit from enhanced photo-respiration. The fact that otoliths grew rather than shrank when subjected to high CO2 levels is a pretty good indication that the primary theory of ocean acidification has been tested and falsified"

 

 

 

The changes are cyclic looked at long term, if you look short term you see temp rise , you look short term at ocean ph you see no significant trend. And as Co2 levels change in the ocean , calcifications shift between aragonite and calcite  deposition of shells , and there is an increase in the rate of growth for corals esp. due to abundant food-plants supplemented by the CO2 . 

Edited March 8, 2019 by Stosh

[ralis]

38 minutes ago, Stosh said:

Heck , I will even tell you my counter arguments before hand. 

 

"In all three cases, the theory or model says that increasing atmospheric CO2 will make the oceans less basic by increasing the concentration of H+ ions and reducing calcium carbonate saturation. This is supposed to reduce the calcification rates of carbonate shell-building organisms. When, in fact, the opposite is occurring in nature with reefs and coccoliths – Calcification rates are generally increasing. And in empirical experiments under laboratory conditions, otoliths grew (rather than shrank) when subjected to high levels of simulated atmospheric CO2.

In the cases of reefs and coccoliths, one answer is that the relatively minor increase in atmospheric CO2 over the last couple of hundred years has enhanced photosynthesis more than it has hampered marine carbonate geochemistry. However, the otoliths (fish ear bones) shouldn’t really benefit from enhanced photo-respiration. The fact that otoliths grew rather than shrank when subjected to high CO2 levels is a pretty good indication that the primary theory of ocean acidification has been tested and falsified"

 

 

 

The changes are cyclic looked at long term, if you look short term you see temp rise , you look short term at ocean ph you see no significant trend. And as Co2 levels change in the ocean , calcifications shift between aragonite and calcite  deposition of shells , and there is an increase in the rate of growth for corals esp. due to abundant food-plants supplemented by the CO2 . 

 

Show your source by providing a link. 

[Stosh]

https://www.skepticalscience.com/Ocean-acidification-Global-warmings-evil-twin.html

https://www.skepticalscience.com/Ocehttps://iowaclimate.org/an-acidification-https://iowaclimate.org/

 

I think these were them, I grabbed the first graphs I saw that went back pre- 1930.  heres another, temp vs co2. 

 

 https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjH4YTjnvPgAhWr1FkKHUEyBr4QMwhTKBMwEw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcornwallalliance.org%2F2017%2F06%2Fglobal-temperature-and-co2-which-drives-which%2F&psig=AOvVaw0mSqQowy_KDCzlCHGvMzxW&ust=1552158402980403&ictx=3&uact=3

 

Its pretty standard opposition views , but I f you have a specific thing you require I will look for it. 

Edited March 8, 2019 by Stosh

[voidisyinyang]

11 hours ago, Stosh said:

As far as I remember , from my aquarium days , its really pretty difficult to cause acidification of seawater.

You can rely on your memory - or just try googling! haha. Good luck (the interwebs is big place).

[voidisyinyang]

5 hours ago, Stosh said:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/Ocean-acidification-Global-warmings-evil-twin.html

https://www.skepticalscience.com/Ocehttps://iowaclimate.org/an-acidification-https://iowaclimate.org/

 

I think these were them, I grabbed the first graphs I saw that went back pre- 1930.  heres another, temp vs co2. 

 

 https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjH4YTjnvPgAhWr1FkKHUEyBr4QMwhTKBMwEw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcornwallalliance.org%2F2017%2F06%2Fglobal-temperature-and-co2-which-drives-which%2F&psig=AOvVaw0mSqQowy_KDCzlCHGvMzxW&ust=1552158402980403&ictx=3&uact=3

 

Its pretty standard opposition views , but I f you have a specific thing you require I will look for it. 

 

Why not just use "researchgate" or google scholar - then you can just read the science studies directly!

 

I'll do that for you - let's see what happens. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257030319_Effects_of_ocean_acidification_and_global_warming_on_reef_bioerosion_-_lessons_from_a_clionaid_sponge

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Coral reefs are under threat, exerted by a number of interacting effects inherent to the present climate change, including ocean acidification and global warming. Bioerosion drives reef degradation by recycling carbonate skeletal material and is an important but understudied factor in this context. Twelve different combinations of pCO(2) and temperature were applied to elucidate the consequences of ocean acidification and global warming on the physiological response and bioerosion rates of the zooxanthellate sponge Cliona orientalis-one of the most abundant and effective bioeroders on the Great Barrier Reef, Australia. Our results confirm a significant amplification of the sponges' bioerosion capacity with increasing pCO(2), which is expressed by more carbonate being chemically dissolved by etching.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321466578_Global_warming_interacts_with_ocean_acidification_to_alter_PSII_function_and_protection_in_the_diatom_Thalassiosira_weissflogii

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Our findings suggest that ocean warming, ocean acidification and high light exposure would interact on PSII function and protection, and combination of these three environmental factors would lead to a reduced PSII activity in T. weissflogii.

Are we having fun yet?

Now your turn.

Edited March 9, 2019 by voidisyinyang

[Stosh]

I think I will still trust in my personal experience. Anyone should be able to see the cyclic trends and summaries of historic events which eclipse the minor conclusions. 

[voidisyinyang]

5 hours ago, Stosh said:

I think I will still trust in my personal experience. Anyone should be able to see the cyclic trends and summaries of historic events which eclipse the minor conclusions. 

 

Yes in terms of abrupt global warming - it's best to just look out the window and enjoy the ride!!

 

For example those tornadoes in Alabama that just showed up out of nowhere? That was due to the Arctic Polar Vortex that had split from the warm ocean water-temperature air pushing up in the arctic. So then the split polar vortex caused the jet stream to get stuck way south into Alabama - and with the contrast against the tropical warm air - suddenly OUT OF NOWHERE you get a mile wide tornado.

 

So just sit back and enjoy the weather!! Because even the weather people can't predict what Mother Nature has in store for us.

[windwalker]

 funny

 

 

[flowing hands]

Hey guys,

 

this thread is going backwards and forwards between those that believe in climate change and those that don't. In 1985 the Immortal Master told me what was happening and how human activity would result in loss of species and alter the pattern of the weather bringing about environmental changes, changes that would affect all of our lives, then and into the future. For the sake of debate on my original post, I am not interested in the scientific evidence, it is always contradicted either way, as we have seen in the last 19 pages!!!!!!. But I am interested as always in how people who are interested in the Dao respond in their own lives and deal with being able to live a more simple life that is sustainable that the great Dao Master Li Erh talks about in the DDJ. Perhaps we can spend the next 19 pages talking about that, although I have found many of the posts very interesting and I thank you for your time and contributions.

[voidisyinyang]

1 hour ago, flowing hands said:

Hey guys,

 

this thread is going backwards and forwards between those that believe in climate change and those that don't. In 1985 the Immortal Master told me what was happening and how human activity would result in loss of species and alter the pattern of the weather bringing about environmental changes, changes that would affect all of our lives, then and into the future. For the sake of debate on my original post, I am not interested in the scientific evidence, it is always contradicted either way, as we have seen in the last 19 pages!!!!!!. But I am interested as always in how people who are interested in the Dao respond in their own lives and deal with being able to live a more simple life that is sustainable that the great Dao Master Li Erh talks about in the DDJ. Perhaps we can spend the next 19 pages talking about that, although I have found many of the posts very interesting and I thank you for your time and contributions.

 

yes the qigong master who did healing on me - he returned to China but then he said the air pollution was so bad in China then it took him two weeks to recover to heal himself. Now he goes on "annual" cruise ships with  Tibetan monks because the cruise ships are close to the water and so the water more easily works with the qi energy - or maybe it's because one cruise ship ride is the SAME as one person driving a car for HALF their life and also cruise ships just spew the human fecal matter right into the ocean directly.

 

So my take is that there is no escape from abrupt global warming - Westernization has spread worldwide - and people WANT all the high tech goodies. They WANT to fly all over the world all the time - and even if we all suddenly STOPPED emitting CO2 pollution then the lack of sulfur aerosol pollution would cause the planet to warm up rapidly - another 1.5 degree celsius average. This then would make it too hot to grow food (in the bread baskets of the interior of the continents) and also it would cause the Arctic to set off the ESAS methane bomb (thereby heating the planet up another 1.5 degree celsius).

 

This means that no matter WHAT the Cosmic Mother is gonna wipe out human civilization - real fast and real soon - as the Absolute Emptiness restarts complex life on Earth. Sit back and enjoy the ride!! Modern Westernized humans made the mistake that "infinity" could be "contained" by materialism - this was a logical lie that launched a "marvelous" technological revolution that has wiped out 50% of wildlife in the past 40 years, etc. So I call this the Alchemy of DeNile. It's deep - and the DeNile will not go away - it's HARD-wired into people. I'm not trying to "change" anyone. I completely rely on the Emptiness to solve the problem of abrupt global warming. haha.

 

 

[Stosh]

If you have truly given up, there's no reason to continue to try to preserve things. That is the problem with thinking one can succeed ,and holding ones behavior as contingent to that belief. 

[voidisyinyang]

1 hour ago, Stosh said:

If you have truly given up, there's no reason to continue to try to preserve things. That is the problem with thinking one can succeed ,and holding ones behavior as contingent to that belief. 

 

To live ecologically means to accept that Mother Nature is in control. People should be environmentalists because they have no choice - that is how humans always lived before farming developed around 10,000 years ago - based on Plow Patriarchy

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

8 hours ago, windwalker said:

 funny

 

 

 

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The consensus that humans are causing recent global warming is shared by 90%–100% of publishing climate scientists according to six independent studies by co-authors of this paper. Those results are consistent with the 97% consensus reported by Cook et al (Environ. Res. Lett. 8 024024) based on 11 944 abstracts of research papers, of which 4014 took a position on the cause of recent global warming. A survey of authors of those papers (N = 2412 papers) also supported a 97% consensus. Tol (2016 Environ. Res. Lett. 11 048001) comes to a different conclusion using results from surveys of non-experts such as economic geologists and a self-selected group of those who reject the consensus. We demonstrate that this outcome is not unexpected because the level of consensus correlates with expertise in climate science. At one point, Tol also reduces the apparent consensus by assuming that abstracts that do not explicitly state the cause of global warming ('no position') represent non-endorsement, an approach that if applied elsewhere would reject consensus on well-established theories such as plate tectonics. We examine the available studies and conclude that the finding of 97% consensus in published climate research is robust and consistent with other surveys of climate scientists and peer-reviewed studies.

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

 

There is no scientific debate on global warming.

 

There's oil companies spending BILLIONS of dollars to make you think there's a "debate."

 

Same thing happened with smoking.

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

On 2/15/2019 at 4:47 PM, flowing hands said:

 

Trouble is of course that one can use evidence to debunk and to credit any scientific prediction. I think now people are seeing such significant changes in the natural world that is far beyond the normal changes that happen, that there really is no way to debunk climate change being made by human activity.

A catastrophe of unimaginable proportions is unfolding. (source - climate scientist at link) Life is disappearing from Earth and all life could be gone within one decade. Study after study is showing the size of the threat, yet many people seem out to hide what we're facing.

 

 

 

 

Crossing these tipping points triggers a number of feedbacks that kick in at accelerating speed, including even more absorption of heat by the Arctic Ocean, further changes to the Jet Stream resulting in even more extreme weather, seafloor methane release, water vapor feedback and emissions from land such as CH₄ (methane), N₂O (nitrous oxide) and NOₓ (nitrogen oxide), due to permafrost melt, storms and forest fires. Temperatures also threaten to rise strongly over the next few years as sulfate cooling falls away while more black carbon and brown carbon gets emitted as more wood gets burned and more forest fires occur.

 

A recent study points at yet another tipping point, i.e. the disappearance of marine stratus clouds, which could result in a global temperature rise of eight degrees Celsius (8°C or 14.4°F). In the model used in the study, the tipping point starts to occur at 1,200 ppm CO₂e, i.e. a stack of greenhouse gases including CH₄, N₂O, CO₂ and H₂O, and changes in clouds resulted in global surface warming of 8°C at 1,300 ppm CO₂e, as stratocumulus decks did break up into cumulus clouds and evaporation strengthened, and average longwave cooling at the level of the cloud tops dropped to less than 10% of what it was in the presence of stratocumulus decks.

 

This 8°C rise would come on top of the warming that would already have occurred due to other warming elements, resulting in a total rise of as 18°C or 32.4°F from preindustrial, as pictured on the right and below.

 

 

 

What would it take to reach 1200 ppm CO₂e? The IPCC's AR4 contains a scenario of 1,200 ppm CO₂e getting reached with a corresponding temperature rise of between ~5°C and ~10°C above preindustrial. NOAA's figures for greenhouse gases add up to a current level of 500 ppm CO₂e. NOAA's figure for methane's GWP is too low, especially when considering a rise within a decade. When using this 500 ppm CO₂e, it would take 700 ppm to reach 1,200 ppm, and if 1 ppm equals 7.81 Gt of CO₂, then 700 ppm equals 5467 Gt of CO₂, which may seem a lot, but at a GWP for methane of 130 (10-year horizon) it could be reached instantly with a burst of methane of some 42 Gt, i.e. less than Natalia Shakhova's warning that 50 Gt of methane is ready for release at any time. In above image, further warming elements are included, in addition to methane and CO₂ and it takes until the year 2026.

 

As an earlier study points out, life on Earth will already have disappeared with a 5°C rise (see box on the right).

 

How precious life is

 

It took a long time for life to evolve on Earth. At first, hardly any species could live on land, as there was no ozone layer to protect them from UV radiation. Also, there was no oxygen in the air to breathe. Life formed some 3 billion years ago and bacteria first developed the ability to decompose carbon dioxide (and produce oxygen) some 2.3  billion years ago.

 

Then, worm-like creatures started to multiply strongly, using more and more oxygen and producing more and more carbon dioxide. Eventually, this resulted in a sharp fall in oxygen levels, leading to extinction of these species. This first mass extinction was followed by a spike in oxygen as both the species in the oceans and plants on land continued to produce oxygen, while these first animals went extinct.

 

Temperature changes dominate in subsequent mass extinctions, and each time it took life a long time to recover. We've now entered the Sixth Mass Extinction, as oxygen levels are falling, oceans are acidifying and species are going extinct at accelerating rates. A 2013 study calculated that species are facing warming that occurs 10,000 x faster than their natural ability to adapt.

 

A rise of 18°C or 32.4°F by 2026?

 

The speed at which temperatures and greenhouse gas levels are now jointly rising is so large and so unprecedented in Earth's history that many doubt that there will be any life left on Earth by 2026.

 

 

The situation is dire and calls for comprehensive and effective action, as described in the Climate Plan.

 

Can humanity change its course? 

 

Given that humanity appears to be on a course to omnicidal destruction, what position can we best take in response? In the light of the dire situation, dramatic reduction in pollution is needed, as well as further action. Indeed, the Paris Agreement constitutes a global commitment to comprehensive and effective action. The Climate Plan calls for multiple parallel lines of action (the green lines on the image below).

 

The green lines of action each need to be implemented in parallel, i.e. no line of action should wait for another, nor should action on one line be used as an excuse to delay action on another line. Where lines of action are grouped together in three parts, numbers merely show relationships with the kinds of warming pictured at the top of the image.

While implementation of some of these lines of action requires U.N. supervision, the Climate Plan prefers local implementation, with communities deciding what works best locally, provided a community does take sufficient action to achieve the necessary dramatic reductions in each type of pollution. Examples of implementation of some of these lines of action are depicted in the image below, showing examples of how progress can be achieved through local feebates.

 

 

Where progress is lacking, swift escalation is recommended as follows:

 

1. Where a local community fails to make progress, state (or provincial) fees are imposed in that locality.

2. Where a state fails to make progress, national fees are imposed in the state.

3. Where a nation fails to make progress, other nations impose fees on imports from and export to that nation with revenues used to fund clean development in the other nations.

 

Warm air and water moving toward the Arctic Ocean

 

The need for action such as marine cloud brightening is illustrated by the following two images. The image below shows that, despite the presence of large amounts of meltwater off the North American coast, sea surface temperatures on March 2, 2019, were as much as 13.8°C or 24.8°F warmer than during 1981-2011, indicating how much more ocean heat is now carried to the Arctic Ocean along the Gulf Stream.

 

How is it possible for anomalies to get this high? As the Arctic is warming up faster than the rest of the world, the Jet Stream is becoming more wavy. A more wavy Jet Stream enables more cold air to move out of the Arctic. As a result, cold Arctic air can descend deep into the North American continent. At the same time, a more wavy Jet Stream enables more warm air and water to move into the Arctic. This is illustrated by the February 24, 2019, combination image that shows temperature on the left and the Jet Stream on the right.

 

 

As oceans get warmer, the temperature difference between land and oceans also increases in Winter. This larger temperature difference results in stronger winds that can carry more warm, moist air north in the North Atlantic. These winds can also speed up the amount of heat carried by the Gulf Stream toward the Arctic Ocean, with the threat that a large influx of warm, salty water will destabilize sediments at the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean and trigger eruption of huge amounts of methane.

 

In conclusion, the situation is dire and calls for comprehensive and effective action, as described at the action, policies and feebates pages at the Climate Plan.

 

 

Links

 

• Possible climate transitions from breakup of stratocumulus decks under greenhouse warming, by Tapio Schneider et al.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0310-1

 

• High CO2 Levels Can Destabilize Marine Layer Clouds (News release associated with above study)

https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/high-cosub2sub-levels-can-destabilize-marine-layer-clouds

 

• Early Palaeozoic ocean anoxia and global warming driven by the evolution of shallow burrowing, by Sebastiaan van de Velde et al.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04973-4

 

• Brock University-led team discovers way of tapping into and testing Earth’s prehistoric air

https://brocku.ca/brock-news/2016/07/brock-university-led-team-discovers-way-of-tapping-into-and-testing-earths-prehistoric-air

 

• Rates of projected climate change dramatically exceed past rates of climatic niche evolution among vertebrate species, by Ignacio Quintero et al.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ele.12144

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/242016225_Rates_of_projected_climate_change_dramatically_exceed_past_rates_of_climatic_niche_evolution_among_vertebrate_species

 

• Extinction Alert

https://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2019/02/extinction-alert.html

 

• Co-extinctions annihilate planetary life during extreme environmental change, by Giovanni Strona and Corey Bradshaw (2018)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-35068-1

 

• Climate Plan

https://arctic-news.blogspot.com/p/climateplan.html

 

• Extinction

https://arctic-news.blogspot.com/p/extinction.html

 

In the Arctic alone, four tipping points look set to be crossed within a few years:

 

1. Loss of the Arctic sea ice's ability to act as a buffer to absorb incoming ocean heat
2. Loss of Arctic sea ice's ability to reflect sunlight back into space (albedo)
3. Destabilization of sediments at the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean 
4. Permafrost melt
5.  

 

[voidisyinyang]

On 2/15/2019 at 6:33 PM, Jonesboy said:

Here are some examples of fake climate science. https://realclimatescience.com/

 

 

The graph was taken from page 38 of the Fourth National Climate Assessment document released in November 2018.

 

But why did they choose the 1960s for their start date?

 

Station Length of time series Observed or forecast value (Celsius) Return period in current climate (yr) Dublin, Ireland 1880-2018 26.5 8 (4…15) De Bilt, Netherlands 1900-2018 33.0 5 (3…9) Copenhagen, Denmark 1874-2018 30.9 7 (4…19) Oslo, Norway 1937-2018 31.2 8 (3…30) Linköping, Sweden 1931-2018 32.2 30 (10…200) Sodankyla, northern Finland 1908-2018 31.9 >90 yr Jokioinen, southern Finland 1957-2018 32.1 140 (>16)

We use the best guess of these return times in three day maximum temperatures as the event definition for the gridpoint in the climate models the station is located in.

 

Heatwave made more than twice as likely by climate change, scientists find

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/27/heatwave-made-more-than-twice-as-likely-by-climate-change-scientists-find

 

[voidisyinyang]

On 2/15/2019 at 9:15 PM, Jonesboy said:

 

Local would be a city like Washington D.C.

 

Cherry Blossoms' Peak Bloom Is an Indicator of Climate Change - Eos

 

https://eos.org/articles/cherry-blossoms-peak-bloom-is-an-indicator-of-climate-change

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2 days ago - Cherry trees blossom near the Tidal Basin in Washington, D.C. ... “The historical trend of earlier and earlier blooming of the cherry trees in Washington, D.C. ... forecasts an accelerated blossoming because of climate change.

 

He also pointed to research indicating earlier cherry blossom blooming in Kyoto, Japan, based on 1,200 years of data and to a paper by other scientists that forecasts an accelerated blossoming because of climate change.

 

the peak bloom dates for cherry blossoms at the Tidal Basin “are likely to be accelerated” by an average of 5 days by 2050 and 10 days by 2080

 

 

 

 

Edited March 10, 2019 by voidisyinyang

[voidisyinyang]

On 2/15/2019 at 9:43 PM, Jonesboy said:

 

How about California wildfires?

 

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We show that declines in summer precipitation and wetting rain days have likely been a primary driver of increases in wildfire area burned.

https://www.pnas.org/content/115/36/E8349.short

Decreasing fire season precipitation increased recent western US forest wildfire activity

Zachary A. Holden, Alan Swanson, Charles H. Luce, W. Matt Jolly, Marco Maneta, Jared W. Oyler, Dyer A. Warren, Russell Parsons, and David Affleck

PNAS September 4, 2018 115 (36) E8349-E8357; published ahead of print August 20, 2018 https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1802316115

 

https://www.biogeosciences.net/16/57/2019/

Emergent relationships with respect to burned area in global satellite observations and fire-enabled vegetation models

Matthias Forkel¹,Niels Andela²,Sandy P. Harrison³,Gitta Lasslop⁴,Margreet van Marle⁵,Emilio Chuvieco⁶,Wouter Dorigo¹,Matthew Forrest⁴,Stijn Hantson⁷,Angelika Heil⁸,Fang Li⁹,Joe Melton¹⁰,Stephen Sitch¹¹,Chao Yue¹²,and Almut Arneth¹³

• ¹Climate and Environmental Remote Sensing Group, Department of Geodesy and Geoinformation, Technische Universität Wien, Vienna, Austria
• ²Biospheric Sciences Laboratory, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD, USA
• ³Department of Geography and Environmental Science, University of Reading, Reading, UK
• ⁴Senckenberg Biodiversity and Climate Research Centre, Frankfurt am Main, Germany
• ⁵Deltares, Delft, the Netherlands
• ⁶Environmental Remote Sensing Research Group, Department of Geology, Geography and the Environment, Universidad de Alcalá, Alcalá de Henares, Spain
• ⁷Geospatial Data Solutions Center, University of California, Irvine, CA, USA
• ⁸Department for Atmospheric Chemistry, Max Planck Institute for Chemistry, Mainz, Germany
• ⁹International Center for Climate and Environmental Sciences, Institute of Atmospheric Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, China
• ¹⁰Climate Research Division, Environment Canada, Victoria, BC, Canada
• ¹¹College of Life and Environmental Sciences, University of Exeter, Exeter, UK
• ¹²Laboratoire des Sciences du Climat et de l'Environnement, Gif-sur-Yvette, France
• ¹³Atmospheric Environmental Research, Institute of Meteorology and Climate Research, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology, Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany

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For example, changes in climate result in weather conditions that are increasingly favourable for fire and fire activity in some temperate regions (Holden et al., 2018; Jolly et al., 2015; Müller et al., 2015);

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

On 2/15/2019 at 10:04 PM, Jonesboy said:

 

 

 

Arctic sea ice volume is up 8% since 2008, with a huge expansion of the area covered by thick ice.

http://psc.apl.uw.edu/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/

 

2008? Nice one!

[voidisyinyang]

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

On 2/15/2019 at 6:33 PM, Jonesboy said:

Here are some examples of fake climate science. https://realclimatescience.com/

 

 

The graph was taken from page 38 of the Fourth National Climate Assessment document released in November 2018.

 

But why did they choose the 1960s for their start date?  The US has excellent temperature records going back the late 19th century, and in fact the 2017 National Climate Assessment showed heat wave data going back to 1900. The 2017 data showed unambiguously that US summers were much hotter prior to 1960, and that the 1960s and 1970s had the fewest heatwaves of any period in the US. This very important data was excluded from the 2018 report.

 

 

Or how about just rewriting history?

 

The pattern of climate scientists plotting to erase past warm (and cold periods) is well established, and completely fraudulent.  NASA has doubled pre-2000 warming over the past 19 years.

Spreadsheet     Data

And NOAA has turned a long-term US cooling trend into warming.

NOAA US Data Tampering Update | The Deplorable Climate Science Blog

This fraud is being committed blatantly, right in front of everyone’s eyes.

 

 

Heatwave was triggered by climate change, according to new research

July 30, 2018, University of Oxford

https://phys.org/news/2018-07-heatwave-triggered-climate.html

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The unprecedented temperatures seen over Summer 2018 are a sign of things to come—and a direct result of climate change, according to new Oxford University research.

 

In the newly published report, researchers from the Environmental Change Institute (ECI) at the School of Geography and Environment, Oxford University, who worked in collaboration with the World Weather Attribution network (WWA), reveal that climate change more than doubled the likelihood of the European heatwave, which could come to be known as regular summer temperatures.

Dr. Friederike Otto, Deputy Director of the ECI at the University of Oxford, said: "What was once regarded as unusually warm weather will become commonplace – in some cases, it already has."

The research compares current temperatures with historical records at seven weather stations in northern Europe – two in Finland, one each in Denmark, the Irish Republic, the Netherlands, Norway and Sweden.

These stations were selected because current temperature data could be accessed in real time, and they possess digitised records extending back to the early 1900s. The scientists also used computer models to assess the impact of man-made climate change.

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

On 2/15/2019 at 9:43 PM, Jonesboy said:

 

How about California wildfires?

https://phys.org/news/2017-07-climate-wildfires-experts.html#nRlv

Climate change will feed wildfires: experts

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A recent study showed that extreme thunderstorms formed due to higher temperatures, and were the main driver for massive fires in Alaska and Canada in recent years. More storms mean more lighting to ignite fires.

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And NASA research shows that fires have increased in Canada and the American west, as well as in regions of China, India, Brazil and southern Africa.

Why?

According to NASA, "a warming and drying climate," was to blame.

"Climate change has increased fire risk in many regions," according to the space agency.

 

 

[voidisyinyang]

On 2/15/2019 at 9:48 PM, Jonesboy said:

 

Will the methane release cause the end of the world?  🤓

 

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The atmospheric mixing ratio of methane (CH₄), a powerful greenhouse gas with global warming potential ∼32 times higher than carbon dioxide (CO₂) (Etminan et al., 2016), has increased by over 150 % since pre-industrial times (Hartmann et al., 2013; IPCC, 2013). The CH₄ mixing ratio increased significantly during the 20th century, and then stabilized from 1998 to 2005. This brief hiatus ended in 2005 and the mixing ratio has been increasing rapidly ever since (Hartmann et al., 2013; IPCC, 2013). For example, the global mean CH₄ mixing ratio was 1953 ppb in 2016, an increase of 9.0 ppb compared to the previous year (WMO, 2017). An ∼ 8–9 ppb increase per year in atmospheric CH₄ is equivalent to a net emissions increase of ∼25 Tg CH₄ per year (Worden et al., 2017).

https://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/18/17207/2018/

 

Methane-spewing Microbe Blamed in Earth's Worst Mass Extinction ...

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/.../methane-spewing-microbe-blamed-in-earths-w...

By Will Dunham. WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Sometimes bad things come in small packages. A microbe that spewed humongous amounts of methane into ...

Earth's worst-ever mass extinction of life holds 'apocalyptic' warning ...

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/.../earth-permian-mass-extinction-apocalypse-warning...

Mar 24, 2017 - Researchers studying the largest-ever mass extinction in Earth's history ... This melted vast amounts of methane that had been trapped in the ...

Methane Thought To Be Responsible For Mass Extinction - ScienceDaily

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/08/030828071722.htm

Aug 28, 2003 - What caused the worst mass extinction in Earth's history 251 million years ago? An asteroid or comet colliding with Earth? ... A Northwestern University chemical engineer believes the culprit may be an enormous explosion of methane (natural gas) erupting from the ocean depths.

Methane Hydrate: Killer cause of Earth's greatest mass extinction ...

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1871174X16300488

by U Brand - ‎2016 - ‎Cited by 13 - ‎Related articles

The cause for the end Permian mass extinction, the greatest challenge life on Earth faced in its geologic history, is still hotly debated by scientists. ... The gas composition of the end Permian brachiopod-inclusions reflects dramatically higher seawater carbon dioxide and methane contents leading up to the biotic event.

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[voidisyinyang]

On 2/15/2019 at 10:04 PM, Jonesboy said:

 

Niether of which makes you an expert. You were the guy who just said North America was local and shouldn’t be confused with global change.

 

Arctic sea ice volume is up 8% since 2008, with a huge expansion of the area covered by thick ice.

 

Arctic is about to go ice-free for the first time in 3 million years - releasing gigatons of stored "frozen" methane - as a methane bomb!

https://frozen.earth/2019/02/second-1-week-melt-in-the-arctic/

http://greatwhitecon.info/resources/arctic-sea-ice-graphs/

Edited March 10, 2019 by voidisyinyang

[Stosh]

9 hours ago, voidisyinyang said:

 

To live ecologically means to accept that Mother Nature is in control. People should be environmentalists because they have no choice - that is how humans always lived before farming developed around 10,000 years ago - based on Plow Patriarchy

 

 

Then I don't want to live in that kind of ecologically manner. 

 

 

And I already saw all that stuff you flooded the thread with, in an attempt to force your opinion, so I didn't look at any of it.