Qi/Energy Practice Over Years

[exorcist_1699]

The thinking that our practice  "  once certain level/ breakthrough  attained, can  be kept forever " ( "一得永得" )  is hardly true for Taoist alchemy and Buddhist enlightenment  , nor  martial arts.

In the case of martial arts, there is  a famous saying tells us that  " 鍊拳不鍊功, 到老一場空 " ( " practicing those postures without having attained some (qi)gong ,  to the end of your life, all your  efforts end in vain  ") ;

 

If you follow Taoist jing -> qi -> Shen formula, then unable to eliminate  jing leakage or period  ,similarly makes your efforts,  no matter how many years  they accumulated , something futile.

 

How about Zen's ? Sitting there  straight  for long hours to hollow  their mind, in fact, drains off  

 monks or Buddhist practitioners'   jing , qi and shen , so unless what they gain in deep emptiness overtakes what they lose in  jing+ qi+ shen, decade-long meditation mostly ends up giving them  a dull mind and withered body only...

Edited March 19, 2019 by exorcist_1699

[exorcist_1699]

On 3/16/2019 at 2:23 AM, forestofemptiness said:

 

 

I suppose the same can be said for mind-based practices. With Buddhist meditation, you may end up spending many hours practicing with no noticeable result. Then one day, some large chunk breaks off and things are different. 

 

 

 

From Taoist  standpoint, any spiritual achievement, once achieved doesn't necessarily imply that it can be kept  forever , you need jing and qi to sustain that " energy level " , otherwise  you likely will drop off from it , back to your previous level  as you aged  . Of course, hardly are old Buddhist "masters" eager to tell you this because they already established their prestige among followers when they were young...; besides, recognizing Taoist truth at old age seems  too late and therefore  too  painful for them..

 

 *  It doesn't necessary mean Buddhism is inferior to Taoism in every aspect , Buddhism  has something really great, for example , Zen and Hua-Yan , which can be equal , even superior , to Taoism.

Edited March 22, 2019 by exorcist_1699

[Spotless]

Carry bag of salt and a tape measure:

 

It is good to listen and take in teachings but do so with a grain of salt. Do so because of the obvious - do you really now “know” what they have said or are you becoming a believer and have skipped over coming to know this for your self. 

 

Use the grain of salt to slow your own assumptions - ask what words meant to them and do not assume.

 

Use the grain of salt to check your extreme standards and judgement and remind you to use your tape measure - to measure your head and see if it has swollen with pride.

 

When you have gained the whole world there is so much more.

Edited March 22, 2019 by Spotless

[exorcist_1699]

Here on this forum , we get different readers/ members who have attained respective levels or interested in different subjects, so if some people find my posts arrogant, please just ignore them and continue their conversation ;  

 

[joeblast]

On 3/19/2019 at 6:46 AM, exorcist_1699 said:

The thinking that our practice  "  once certain level/ breakthrough  attained, can  be kept forever " ( "一得永得" )  is hardly true for Taoist alchemy and Buddhist enlightenment  , nor  martial arts.

In the case of martial arts, there is  a famous saying tells us that  " 鍊拳不鍊功, 到老一場空 " ( " practicing those postures without having attained some (qi)gong ,  to the end of your life, all your  efforts end in vain  ") ;

 

If you follow Taoist jing -> qi -> Shen formula, then unable to eliminate  jing leakage or period  ,similarly makes your efforts,  no matter how many years  they accumulated , something futile.

 

How about Zen's ? Sitting there  straight  for long hours to hollow  their mind, in fact, drains off  

 monks or Buddhist practitioners'   jing , qi and shen , so unless what they gain in deep emptiness overtakes what they lose in  jing+ qi+ shen, decade-long meditation mostly ends up giving them  a dull mind and withered body only...

"You assume there is loss through movement, yet this is only because nothing is gained in stillness"

 

As anyone who has actually attained real samhadi knows, your focus is either maintained, or byebye samhadi.  Deep emptiness is most certainly quite full - but there's a significant difference between the words 'void' and 'oblivion'