Strengthening the Blood

[Song of the Dao]

9 hours ago, GSmaster said:

 

There is no scientific evidence that cholesterol is a bad thing. That was a scam back into 1970s.

 

You are right, cholesterol is not good or bad. To much or too little of it, depending on your genetics, does not lead to a long life.

 

But if you think high cholesterol is fine, can you explain why people with Familial Hypercholesterolemia die younger?

 

9 hours ago, GSmaster said:

As well as saturated fat.

 

Same as above, it is not good or bad, it just needs to be balanced. But in this culture we like to swing to extremes. Eat none of it! Eat only it! Saturated fat effects the body in several interesting ways, like how it changes the intestinal microbiome. For one person it might be fine, for another, not so fine.

 

9 hours ago, GSmaster said:

 

Chinaman eat everything, worms, frogs, snakes, scorpions.

 

Back to the topic best way to nourish blood is to eat chlorophyll, as it is very similar to hemoglobin.

 

Would you tell an Inuit to eat chlorophyll?

But being similar does not make them the same. We do note uses chlorophyll to transport oxygen in our blood.

[OldDog]

2 hours ago, Song of the Dao said:

Same as above, it is not good or bad, it just needs to be balanced.

 

All things in moderation.

 

And btw ... let's not forget the role sugar plays.

[Aetherous]

12 hours ago, GSmaster said:

best way to nourish blood is to eat chlorophyll

 

I'll have to test that idea out.

[freeform]

13 hours ago, GSmaster said:

best way to nourish blood is to eat chlorophyll, as it is very similar to hemoglobin.

 

Haemoglobin and Blood in the Daoist context are different. But there may be cross over as the dark leafy greens are ‘Blood building’.

 

Still, the ‘best’ blood nourishing things are animal meats, organs and fats - particularly beef - particularly pastured on good quality grass.

[silent thunder]

Modern processed sugar. 

Fuck. That. Shite.

 

If only I could go back and convince my mother to never have kept that, or cow's milk in the house.

 

Milk does a body good... ffs.

[silent thunder]

In the late 90's when I left the acting biz, I worked for a few years in a sculpture studio that specialized in large scale productions for architectural applications.  Mostly casinos... Ceasar's Atlantic City, Atlantis Island in the Bahamas... We used a lot of Gypsum Figerglass Reinforced Cement in our pours and compound industrial rubbers for our molds.  Full hazmat suits and respirator/vapor helmets.  It was rather toxic, but hella challenging and fun.  Not everyone was anal about full coverage however all the time, particularly when the weather was hot and humid.

 

One of my co-workers shared his experience using blue/green algae as a cleanse on recommendation of his girlfriend if memory serves.  A couple days into using it, he was awakened in the middle of the night, by burning and itching hives all over his torso, arms, face and neck.  He went to the doctor who in the process of examining his skin, began to tweeze out odd little hairs that seemed to be growing out of his skin. 

 

Turns out they weren't hairs at all.  Doctor examined them under a microscope and then asked my buddy if he had ever been exposed to fiberglass.  When he replied he'd been working with it for a few years, doc said... well something is pushing the fiberglass in your body out through your skin.  Should be cleared up in a few days.  Here's a cream to apply, blah blah blah. 

 

He quit the studio very soon after.

[silent thunder]

I'm not sure, but I'm curious about and will look into Chlorella.  He just described it as blue/green algae.  I never got the name of the product before we parted ways.  This was in the late 90's.

 

Years later, prompted by my recall of his experience another snippet resonated with me, about the benefits of consuming 'base line lifeforms' like algae in complex organisms like us.  Seems supported even more by recent revelations that with our burgeoning understanding of the importance of healthy microbiome in the gut is a greater indicator of disease, or sustained health and restructuring the microbiome is a more effective method of approach for long term healing than surgeries and chemical stimulants/affectors.

 

My suspicions and experience say eat yourself healthy.  And when I say eat, I mean food and thought/no thought.  Physical food being the minor effect of health by what I choose to put in my mouth and on my body; the far more impacting health effects in my case have come from what I allow myself to eat and ruminate on mentally.

[Song of the Dao]

3 hours ago, GSmaster said:

 

The body is a machine converting one elements into another. All it needs is building blocks, and chlorophyll is a perfect building block for blood, simple and easy to use.

 

You have no evidence for this. It is just that simple. You can talk all day, but there is no evidence. "Building block for blood"? What does that even mean? Nothing. It is woo woo. Why is chlorophyll any better than Heme?

 

3 hours ago, GSmaster said:

They usually talk about genetics, when they have no idea about what is going on. Cholesterol is not a cause of cholesterol clogged arteries. The cause are holes in the arteries and chronic inflammation, the body is forced to close it with cholesterol. Diet heavy in non-saturated fats such as vegetable oils, are very high in omega 3, causes that inflammation.

 

Again, you have no evidence. My family has FH, and not only does it heighten the risk (note I did not say causes because yes, oxidative stress is the other factor involved) of heart disease, it is also deposits cholesterol in the skin and joints causing other issues. My brother died at 44 from a heart attack, my mother and brother also had heart attacks in their 40's. All had really high cholesterol. If high cholesterol and genetics did not matter, I would hope you can have another explanation and maybe you could cure everyone, instead of just proclaiming it does not matter. We were all tested for the gene changes that cause FH, and yeah, I have it too. I pretty much eat fish (long chain Omega 3), that's it. Plants wreck my gut and short chain PUFAs raise my cholesterol.

But FH IS a genetic disease, so why would we not talk about genetics. People who do not want to talk about genetics do not know much about human health.

I do not know what you think casues "holes in the arteries", maybe you could explain that more.

 

3 hours ago, GSmaster said:

Thousands of things change intestinal microbiome and this area is poorly researched yet. We are in the infant stage of microbiome science. Come back 200 years later, may be they will make any progress.

 

No need to be so specific in the microbiome, that is their problem. If you eat a food and your gut feels worse, it affects your microbiome.  But TCM is already on this: https://www.nature.com/articles/srep22474

[Song of the Dao]

21 minutes ago, silent thunder said:

I'm not sure, but I'm curious about and will look into Chlorella.  He just described it as blue/green algae.  I never got the name of the product before we parted ways.  This was in the late 90's.

 

It was more likely spirulina, since that is a blue/green algae.

 

21 minutes ago, silent thunder said:

 

Years later, prompted by my recall of his experience another snippet resonated with me, about the benefits of consuming 'base line lifeforms' like algae in complex organisms like us.  Seems supported even more by recent revelations that with our burgeoning understanding of the importance of healthy microbiome in the gut is a greater indicator of disease, or sustained health and restructuring the microbiome is a more effective method of approach for long term healing than surgeries and chemical stimulants/affectors.

 

Spirulina has loads of B1 and B2 and it might be those two B vitamins that does more than anything else in the supplement. Note that B2 will help metabolize serotonin and dopamine in the gut by stimulating Monoamine Oxidase. Balancing serotonin in the gut will help take care of IBS as well anxiety.

 

21 minutes ago, silent thunder said:

 

My suspicions and experience say eat yourself healthy.  And when I say eat, I mean food and thought/no thought.  Physical food being the minor effect of health by what I choose to put in my mouth and on my body; the far more impacting health effects in my case have come from what I allow myself to eat and ruminate on mentally.

 

Yup.

[freeform]

Chlorella and spirulina are both excellent. They nourish both kidney Yin and blood (ideal for cultivators)... along with other very useful properties.

 

Make sure you know the source you’re getting them from. I tend to buy in bulk (kilos). Tablets are better than powder because there’s less oxidation in the centre of the tablet. 

[thelerner]

Here's a question.  When do you need to strengthen the blood? 

 

For woman would it be after a period?

For men, after ejaculation or when feeling weak or seasonally? 

[Aetherous]

23 minutes ago, thelerner said:

Here's a question.  When do you need to strengthen the blood? 

 

For woman would it be after a period?

For men, after ejaculation or when feeling weak or seasonally? 

 

When it's deficient. Chinese Medicine practitioners perceive blood deficiency in the pulse, tongue, and with signs and symptoms.

 

Or people can do the folk medicine and longevity approach, where they just continually nourish their blood regardless of whether they need to or not. There's something to be said for that, too.

 

Sometimes practitioners do cyclical treatments, where they follow the rhythm of the body, and nourish blood after the period is over. Postpartum is considered the worst time of deficiency, no matter what.

Edited April 15, 2019 by Aetherous

[Song of the Dao]

6 hours ago, GSmaster said:

SotD if you are unable to tolerate some foods, that is not a sign that they affect your microbiome, but is the sign, that your microbiome is already broken.

 

Could use this as a key, to start solving those issues.

 

My issues are solved, but thanks. Not all us us are the same, because genetics. I am a FUT2 non-secretor and lactose intolerant, therefore I am a freak for a European. Yes, some people eat bad food and have a bad microbiome, but I come from Inuit people so I needed to eat like them to get better, which is very different from a farmer's diet.

[Song of the Dao]

9 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

Lactose and gluten intolerance is normal, because both of it are toxins, I can eat it sometimes, but the consequences are obvious.

 

No, they it is not normal, it depend on genetics (LCT and MCM for lactose and several HLA genes for gluten). And they are not toxins. They have both led to the overpopulation of the farmer types in the world. There are a few of us left who cannot tolerate lactose past infancy or gluten at any age.

Individual genetic variance is under appreciated.

Edited April 15, 2019 by Song of the Dao

[Song of the Dao]

33 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

They are toxins, as is sugar, alcohol, tobacco.

 

Can you define the word "toxin"?

[silent thunder]

What was it written above the entrance to the Oracle at Delphi?  'know thyself'?

Strong advice in any age. 

Learn your body's rhythms and tendencies.  Listen to it, it doesn't lie.

 

My wife can eat neither gluten, nor dairy without consequences, sometimes severe.  Bless her, she'll still try on occasion, because she loves many foods with these in them and interestingly we have found that when her stress levels are low, her tolerance increases, sometimes dramatically.

 

While I can eat nigh on anything and not suffer outwardly, though in spite of that, I still choose to eschew [ha] most diary, gluten and processed foods, unless eating at a friends or in restaurants, which isn't that often... as I prefer prevention over treatments in all but a few cases.

 

 

[Aetherous]

In terms of "toxicity", dosage has to be taken into account.

Even water, which is healthy for the body, can be deadly if you have enough of it in a certain amount of time.

 

Sugar is the current enemy of the diet industry. But in smaller doses, it benefits the body.

Every person is different. For some, they may not even benefit from sugar and have bad effects from taking any. For others, they may need it. For the person who needs it, if they take the right amount, it's not toxic but is good for them. Same with any other thing that people normally ingest.

All of this is in the realm of foods, which are generally "non-toxic"...people can eat them every day and live a relatively long healthy life. But there are substances out there where if you take a couple of grams of it, it's life threatening...now that's real toxicity.

[Song of the Dao]

5 hours ago, GSmaster said:

A substance that has proven negative effect on a health and human internal organs.

 

So oxygen is toxic. And water.

[Song of the Dao]

12 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

Toxins are toxic in any amounts, i.e you can drink a shot of alcohol, it is still toxic. The only quantity matters is how fast you will get to the disease, depending on each individual body and ability to detox.

 

It is not like there is or ever will be a healthy dosage of alcohol, nor there is a healthy dosage of white sugar, nor there is a healthy dosage of bread.

 

OK, so I can see where you are going. Maybe you should say: Things that have to go through Phase 1 and Phase II liver detoxification are toxic. That would make more sense. But milk and sugar do not go through that detox pathway. Alcohol does, however, so I would say alcohol is toxic and milk and sugar are is not. Your definition is not very specific. But even alcohol can be used a medicine, so what does toxic even mean?

[Aetherous]

32 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

Toxins are toxic in any amounts

 

This is kind of semantics, but what you're saying is essentially untrue. Something is only "toxic" when it's an amount that causes harm...if it's not causing harm, then how can it be called "toxic"? Let's say if someone has 5 drops of vodka - absolutely nothing bad is going to happen to them.

 

32 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

It is not like there is or ever will be a healthy dosage of alcohol, nor there is a healthy dosage of white sugar, nor there is a healthy dosage of bread.

 

Yes, there are healthy dosages of all of those things. I mean, unless a person has celiac disease and can't have typical bread...then they probably can't handle any sort of dose.

[Aetherous]

37 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

Yes, but you never know when you get heart attack, or cancer, or celiac disease, or tumors, or brain stroke, or any other disease which is caused by eating bread / sugar / milk. 

You could still live a hundred of years of life, just being sick every once in a while.

Its like a roullette.

 

You could avoid all of those food items for your entire life, and still get those diseases. And probably live a shorter and less healthy life due to avoiding them.

 

37 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

After I said all this, I am going to make some toasted bread with cheddar cheese, garlic, onion, herbs, sea salt.

And enjoy it.

 

Hell yeah.

[liminal_luke]

Consider hormesis.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18162444

[Aetherous]

7 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

If you disagree, with anything I say, just move on.

I have calculated this thread to 12 pages of discussion and it won't give any results beyond wasting my time on 2 people who have zero potential in cultivation. 

 

I am always right. You don't like the right answers, go with the wrong ones, atleast they are hard earned and not given for free.

 

If you're saying things that are plainly not true, others are free to point it out. Welcome to the concept of a discussion forum. If you want a place where you can tell others false things and have it be unquestioned, feel free to make your own forum and delude the people who would go there.

[Song of the Dao]

12 hours ago, GSmaster said:

If you disagree, with anything I say, just move on.

I have calculated this thread to 12 pages of discussion and it won't give any results beyond wasting my time on 2 people who have zero potential in cultivation. 

 

I am always right. You don't like the right answers, go with the wrong ones, atleast they are hard earned and not given for free.

 

Yes, you are always right. I will move on.

 

Funny, edited to add this article I saw pop up in my feeds this morning:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/todays-biggest-threat-the-polarized-mind/

Edited April 16, 2019 by Song of the Dao
Addded link.

[Song of the Dao]

12 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

Consider hormesis.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18162444

 

Fascinating. Stress can be good, but just not too much stress.