Ultimate Inner Alchemy

[Sinai]

48 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

JC abilities are real including pyrokinesis, it seems like you have trouble seeing Qi with your eyes after 40 years of practice.

I will leave this without comments.

 

Ability to see Qi is level 0.

Ability to propell Qi causing Pyrokinesis / Telekinesis is level 1.

 

I don't mind teacher who is level 1. I would not recognize teacher who is only level 0.

 

Most gongfu schools do not have a single person who is level 0.

Ability to see QI is rare. Without it you cannot even tell a difference between focus trick and real demonstration. You cannot see what level a person has. You believe things that has zero value, such as lineage / diploma / 88 years of experience in gongfu.

 

Dear GSmaster please our topic is about Ultimate inner alchemy and sharing knowledge , methods , practices and etc ... if you want to argue its not the place , we must respect each other whatever our differences in ideas is , and let me tell you people who are truly masters would not show up in public at all...remember that

[Spotless]

On 3/24/2019 at 11:56 PM, Sinai said:

well he is a good teacher but of course i agree that nothing will be comparable to original Taoists scriptures and books but it is better to start from a point, I personally received this advice from a master that, in practices, despite of master, it isn't the art that is powerful, it is the practitioner. While the Techniques and Training Methods are extremely important, the biggest factor is who is doing the art and how they are doing it. The arts are important, but your intent, willpower, imagination, and what you feel are much more important. I know what you mean Mr Doyle and dear VonKrankenhaus and others, but here my point is the practices of Congress of Heaven and Earth and Reunion of Heaven and Man  or anything beyond that i dont know...if you may please share your opinion

Congress of Heaven and Earth

This practice integrates the Early Heaven or formless Self with the Later Heaven (Earth) physical Self. The Self here identifies itself here with two dimensions that co-exist and co-create: the “formless form” of our being and the “substantial form” of our becoming. These two polar dimensions of our greater Self engage in cosmic sex. They couple in order to re-open the portal to their Original state, or “Pre-Self”. This pre-state or Primordial Heaven is called hundun, the primal chaos-unity that preceded the “big bang” of the cosmic egg cracking open.

The Three Originals (san yuan) of Heaven, Earth, and Humanity are gathered in the three body cauldrons as original Ching (Jing), original Chi, and original Shen. This three-tone harmonic chord is resonated with the fundamental or original tone of time and space. Consciousness then stabilizes in the axial center where our true multi-dimensional nature can now be embodied. This is symbolized by a tonal double vortex spinning faster than the speed of light within the void of space. Into this is fused our inner sage’s immortal presence, the quintessence of humanity meditating in the center of a cosmic torus (spiritual black hole). We must enter this portal to complete our journey of Return to the Origin.

This formula is difficult to describe in words. It involves the incarnation of a male and a female entity within the body of the practioner. These two entities have sexual intercourse within the body. It involves the mixing of the Yin and Yang powers on and about the crown of the head, being totally open to receive energy from above, and the regrowth of the pineal gland to its fullest use. When the pineal gland has developed to its fullest potential, it will serve as a compass to tell us in which direction our aspirations can be found. Taoist Esotericism is a method of mastering the spirit, as described in Taoist Alchemy Without the body, the Tao cannot be attained, but with the body, truth can never be realized.

This Formula consists of: Mingling (uniting) the body, soul and spirit with the universe, fully developing the positive to eradicate the negative completely, and returning the spirit to nothingness.

 

Reunion of Heaven and Man

This stage is the integration of the eight previous levels of consciousness into the experience of living simultaneously in the present moment in all dimensions, from physical linear time to spirit’s eternal time. This state cannot be fully known or defined conceptually for others. Perhaps it might be conceptualized as the experience of living fully in the Wu Chi, the Supreme Unknown.

This is the true achievement of the authentic or Immortal Self, a permanent state of grace known as Wu Wei, effortless action, or spontaneous action without acting. Creation (of the manifest) and Return to Formless Origin seamlessly complete each other. Attainment of this ninth level is spontaneous, and happens when the inner will of our Immortal sage within has reached complete alignment with the Tao. It may occur only by direct transmission from the Tao to the mature and receptive adept.

Congress of Heaven and Earth

This practice integrates the Early Heaven or formless Self with the Later Heaven (Earth) physical Self. The Self here identifies itself here with two dimensions that co-exist and co-create: the “formless form” of our being and the “substantial form” of our becoming. These two polar dimensions of our greater Self engage in cosmic sex. They couple in order to re-open the portal to their Original state, or “Pre-Self”. This pre-state or Primordial Heaven is called hundun, the primal chaos-unity that preceded the “big bang” of the cosmic egg cracking open.

The Three Originals (san yuan) of Heaven, Earth, and Humanity are gathered in the three body cauldrons as original Ching (Jing), original Chi, and original Shen. This three-tone harmonic chord is resonated with the fundamental or original tone of time and space. Consciousness then stabilizes in the axial center where our true multi-dimensional nature can now be embodied. This is symbolized by a tonal double vortex spinning faster than the speed of light within the void of space. Into this is fused our inner sage’s immortal presence, the quintessence of humanity meditating in the center of a cosmic torus (spiritual black hole). We must enter this portal to complete our journey of Return to the Origin.

This formula is difficult to describe in words. It involves the incarnation of a male and a female entity within the body of the practioner. These two entities have sexual intercourse within the body. It involves the mixing of the Yin and Yang powers on and about the crown of the head, being totally open to receive energy from above, and the regrowth of the pineal gland to its fullest use. When the pineal gland has developed to its fullest potential, it will serve as a compass to tell us in which direction our aspirations can be found. Taoist Esotericism is a method of mastering the spirit, as described in Taoist Alchemy Without the body, the Tao cannot be attained, but with the body, truth can never be realized.

This Formula consists of: Mingling (uniting) the body, soul and spirit with the universe, fully developing the positive to eradicate the negative completely, and returning the spirit to nothingness.

 

Reunion of Heaven and Man

This stage is the integration of the eight previous levels of consciousness into the experience of living simultaneously in the present moment in all dimensions, from physical linear time to spirit’s eternal time. This state cannot be fully known or defined conceptually for others. Perhaps it might be conceptualized as the experience of living fully in the Wu Chi, the Supreme Unknown.

This is the true achievement of the authentic or Immortal Self, a permanent state of grace known as Wu Wei, effortless action, or spontaneous action without acting. Creation (of the manifest) and Return to Formless Origin seamlessly complete each other. Attainment of this ninth level is spontaneous, and happens when the inner will of our Immortal sage within has reached complete alignment with the Tao. It may occur only by direct transmission from the Tao to the mature and receptive adept.”

 

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What you have quoted is generally excellent and dispite whoever may be laughing - I am not - it was an excellent quote and the pictures very good.

 

As the axis becomes powerful and the changes progress the light increasingly pervades and that which is to be revealed is revealed. 

It cannot be found in books and cannot be transmitted by “other”.

 

The male/female is a melding - not sexual in any context that people think of it as such. The melding of nature’s though it can be felt energetically quite specifically.

 

The double vortex is exactly as stated. 

 

Unfortunately there are no words that adequately convey what it is like 

And no teacher capable of conveying them because it is truely IN the moment and not something a teacher conveys in advance of what must be revealed.

 

There are techniques - plenty of techniques - but they are not secret and they do not require Hercules - but few take up the Way to this degree. 

 

The “secret” lays in the basics - plain to see - it is basically as previously stated but here are some more simple words:

 

As you progress your head will swell

and you will “know” many things and in this most stop.

 

As you progress you will come to many extraordinary abilities and in these very fine fabrics most will stop.

 

As you progress you will come to many fine words and in the warmth of oneness and great refinement your words will be true and nearly all will adjourn here.

 

As you progress with no guidance in the abyss in unfaltering reliance on nothing - knowing nothing - blindly with beginners mind tumbled in the womb of light as every piece of holding is dismantled - a fragrance of Light your only comfort - massive forces temper and distill and whisper. Everything is yours and nothing - creation preceedes even thought. 

 

There is nothing that was not well explained in the quotes and pictures from above - but even then - they are so inadequate. The energies involved are inconceivable - and they require non-willfulness. They require no-effort. They require no-thought.

They require no-touch.  These must be mastered and the bodies prepared - but in non-willfulness - no effort - no force. They cannot be mastered until one has reached  a relinquished Self. Only then has the work begun.

 

 

 

Edited March 27, 2019 by Spotless

[Mudfoot]

12 minutes ago, Sinai said:

topic is about Ultimate inner alchemy and sharing knowledge , methods , practices and etc ...

98 posts, and with the exception of @SpotlessI would say we have shared.... 

[Spotless]

The end of Reincarnation and Suffering is not Enlightenment - (though by some definitions it is) it is the base point from which one embarkes on what was brought up in the original post - unless I have well overshot what was being spoken of.

 

The books are written but they are not seen. The stories are told but they are not heard. The tones are played and they speak to the Light. 

 

And the light wispers to the cosmic child.

 

[lifeforce]

1 hour ago, GSmaster said:

 

JC abilities are real including pyrokinesis, it seems like you have trouble seeing Qi with your eyes after 40 years of practice.

I will leave this without comments.

 

Ability to see Qi is level 0.

Ability to propell Qi causing Pyrokinesis / Telekinesis is level 1.

 

I don't mind teacher who is level 1. I would not recognize teacher who is only level 0.

 

Most gongfu schools do not have a single person who is level 0.

Ability to see QI is rare. Without it you cannot even tell a difference between focus trick and real demonstration. You cannot see what level a person has. You believe things that has zero value, such as lineage / diploma / 88 years of experience in gongfu.

 

Says who ? A book ? A video.

Internal gongfu cultivation gives real results, not parlour tricks. 

Levels ? It's not a video game.

Edited March 27, 2019 by lifeforce

[vonkrankenhaus]

3 hours ago, GSmaster said:

3 hours ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

Qi is not a thing or substance

 

You would not say this, if you could see it.

 

I write that because it is technically true.

 

Qi is not any specific thing or substance.

 

Qi is movement between poles of any polarity.

 

Movement is from YinYang, or "polarity".

 

The "substance" that may be moving is not the Qi - so all of the substances that move in polarities are different.

 

That is why we can have "fire Qi" and "electric Qi" and many many forms of Qi.

 

But if you didn't study Taoism or even have one Gongfu lesson ever, you would not have studied to know what Qi is or is not.

 

That's why you think you can see "it" - when there is no "it" that can be seen.

 

That's like being in a "Harry Potter" movie made by liars.

 

Arguing about Qi with only that and a fake fire stunt to back you up is a fool's errand

 

 

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Sinai]

5 minutes ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

 

I write that because it is technically true.

 

Qi is not any specific thing or substance.

 

Qi is movement between poles of any polarity.

 

Movement is from YinYang, or "polarity".

 

The "substance" that may be moving is not the Qi - so all of the substances that move in polarities are different.

 

That is why we can have "fire Qi" and "electric Qi" and many many forms of Qi.

 

But if you didn't study Taoism or even have one Gongfu lesson ever, you would not have studied to know what Qi is or is not.

 

That's why you think you can see "it" - when there is no "it" that can be seen.

 

That's like being in a "Harry Potter" movie made by liars.

 

Arguing about Qi with only that and a fake fire stunt to back you up is a fool's errand

 

 

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

 

right dear master
exactly
qi is the movement but not the intelligence of it
quite right

[Spotless]

10 minutes ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

 

I write that because it is technically true.

 

Qi is not any specific thing or substance.

 

Qi is movement between poles of any polarity.

 

Movement is from YinYang, or "polarity".

 

The "substance" that may be moving is not the Qi - so all of the substances that move in polarities are different.

 

That is why we can have "fire Qi" and "electric Qi" and many many forms of Qi.

 

But if you didn't study Taoism or even have one Gongfu lesson ever, you would not have studied to know what Qi is or is not.

 

That's why you think you can see "it" - when there is no "it" that can be seen.

 

That's like being in a "Harry Potter" movie made by liars.

 

Arguing about Qi with only that and a fake fire stunt to back you up is a fool's errand

 

 

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

A considerable misconception of partial truths.

 

It can clearly be seen though “it” has many variations.

 

With eyes open and inner sight.

 

And quite easily it can be felt, project and gathered.

Edited March 27, 2019 by Spotless

[vonkrankenhaus]

1 minute ago, Spotless said:

A considerable misconception of partial truths.

 

It can clearly be seen though “it” has many variations

 

Nope. There is no "it".

 

That's why no scientists have ever been able to find "it".

 

Here is quote:

 

""China has, in recent decades, spent an inordinate amount of resources on experiments to determine the existence and nature of Qi. China is easing up on this research for lack of concrete breakthroughs. But the quest to define Qi continues, with there being no breakthroughs that we know of. Whether someone in China or anywhere has the Holy Grail hidden from view I cannot say""

-Xing-Tai Li and Jia Zhao (2012). An Approach to the Nature of Qi in TCM–Qi and Bioenergy, Recent Advances in Theories and Practice of Chinese Medicine, Prof. Haixue Kuang

 

Western scientists find same thing. 

 

Because what I am writing is true.

 

Qi is simply any movement between the poles of any polarity in any spectrum of matter or energy.

 

It is not a special substance or physical thing.

 

Neither is Tao, nor YinYang, nor Wu Xing any specific "thing".

 

Western materialist consumer philosophy wants "things" you can "attain".

 

So do modern consumer types, who want also to be "special". Somehow.

 

But that is not understanding Qi at all.

 

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[vonkrankenhaus]

2 hours ago, Sinai said:

people who are truly masters would not show up in public at all...remember that

 

People who are masters show up in public all the time.

 

Nobody is staying home all day, every day.

 

But remember - traditionally, NOBODY calls THEMSELVES "Sifu".

 

Only their students ever do that.

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Spotless]

The biggest “secret” revolves around dissipation.

 

Basic practice increasingly discovers dissipation and increasingly dissipation is un-participated in.

 

As energies are increasingly not dissipated the more obvious deviations become less subtle and then eventually fall away if progress is maintained.

 

Energies accumulate and transform in the basic foundations of The Way.

 

The subtle bodies form and germinate and refine and dissolve one into another.

 

Volcanic fire hydrants of unspeakable energy become the walking presence - far beyond “an experience” - they are full time resonating in light years beyond time and space.

 

There is no effort - no containment - no willfulness. It becomes the norm

with spectacular access in no inertia. 

[vonkrankenhaus]

20 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

Okay, so what am I seeing?

 

We wouldn't know.

 

Depending on what polarities you are looking at, you could see any substance involved in the movement.

 

For example, in "electricity" what we see moving is electrons.

 

In "thermodynamics" we see heat moving in fluids, so any of these fluids can be seen moving.

 

There are many many kinds of polarities at work in a human body, only a small subset of which we manipulate in "Qi work".

 

Qigong is just ways to manipulate various simple polarities in the body itself or between body and environment to cause a difference in stuff like hormones, metabolism, bioelectric potentials, etc.

 

But if you believe modern Western comic book ideas about Qi as a kind of mystical "substance", or any physical "substance" - what you are seeing is mainly an illusion, a fiction, an "idea" that isn't and never was real.

 

That idea is just the result of mistranslations by Western academics in the 1800s and early 20th century who never understood Chinese philosophy, and apparently, never wanted anyone else to either.

 

Study Taoism.

 

Study Gongfu training.

 

If you get YinYang wrong or backwards in Gongfu training, unlike in a philosophy discussion - you can know instantly, and never make that mistake again.

 

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[Bruce Qi]

 Ask Micheal Lomax about seeing sick chi shoot out of people he is treating and I am pretty sure he will say it is real.

 

Why , instead of everyone playing the " I know best, only I know the true way" game drop the ego down a bit and  try to help ?

Maybe even offer some positive directions instead of knocking everything anyone else says.

 

There is a reason all the true  teachers who used to grace this forum left.

 

 

 

 

 

[Sinai]

58 minutes ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

 

People who are masters show up in public all the time.

 

Nobody is staying home all day, every day.

 

But remember - traditionally, NOBODY calls THEMSELVES "Sifu".

 

Only their students ever do that.

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

 

yes you are right my dear master

i mean no real master shows up his / her siddhi in public just for show or they shoot " i am master of Tao "

[KuroShiro]

5 hours ago, GSmaster said:

Ability to see Qi is level 0.

Ability to propell Qi causing Pyrokinesis / Telekinesis is level 1.

 

Ability to see QI is rare.

 

2 hours ago, Spotless said:

It can clearly be seen though “it” has many variations.

 

With eyes open and inner sight.

 

And quite easily it can be felt, project and gathered.

 

Does the ability to see Qi precedes the ability to project Qi?

 

Can you give an estimate of the time required (with correct practice) until one is able to see Qi?

 

GSmaster do you place Wai Qi Liao Fa also on level 1?

Can you say what are levels 2, 3...?

 

 

[Spotless]

6 minutes ago, KuroShiro said:

 

 

Does the ability to see Qi precedes the ability to project Qi?

 

Can you give an estimate of the time required (with correct practice) until one is able to see Qi?

 

 

 

It is very possible to project Qi but not “see” it - one can “know” it.

 

Typically one would have a certainty of it in any strong projection.

 

Everyone “see’s” energy on many subtle levels but bringing it to ones clear inner sight or visible to ones natural open eyes is very dependent on the person and the practice.

 

Some energies are more easily seen than others as well as subtle sounds, telepathic abilities and many more.

 

If you are naturally inclined in this anywhere from a few weeks to a few years. Very few see with eyes wide open in the visible field. It is possible to see with the inner eye with eyes open but seeing with eyes open in the relative “concrete” world is fairly rare - but very fun - it is simply identical to everyday walking around seeing but with added lighting and effects. 

 

Particularly fun around people that play/work/use energy.

 

 

[God of Cosmic Storms]

3 hours ago, Spotless said:

It is very possible to project Qi but not “see” it - one can “know” it.

 

You can't see it unless your third eye (upper dantien) is active

[voidisyinyang]

3 hours ago, GSmaster said:

 

Okay, so what am I seeing?

The Yuan Qi radiates light as the absolute void yet the Yuan Shen is the "light of no light." It's kind of complicated. haha.

As Ramana Maharshi says - people want to SEE the SELF as light but it is NOT light. Rather the SELF is the "ether" that creates light.

So you can LISTEN to Yuan Qi though as logical inference or attention or awareness.

As modern people we prioritize SEEING over LISTENING but actually science is limited by seeing since it relies on a linear operator definition of time and frequency (that can not be measured simultaneous). Which one you "measure" first by seeing then CHANGES the value of the other one - instantaneously - no matter the distance. So QI is superluminal - faster than speed of light. The Yuan Shen as the "light of no light" is like zero/infinity as the REST frame of the qigong master but the Yuan Qi is what does the healing - from the future. So there is then a light SEEN in the "Yuan Shen" samadhi state. But the light seen is not the actual Yuan Qi itself - rather the light seen is actually our ego perceiving something in the PAST. So the future and the past overlap via the "light of no light." And so the light in the past then becomes matter as Yuan Jing from the virtual light of the future that can not be seen (the virtual information field).

 

So from the perspective of the qigong master EVERYTHING is happening AT THE SAME TIME - the future and the past. BUT from the perspective of the Yuan Qi (the Emptiness) then Time is real and so the future guides the past and the future can heal the past - and normally we perceive the past without having any interaction with the future.

 

 

[vonkrankenhaus]

2 hours ago, Sinai said:

i mean no real master shows up his / her siddhi in public

 

They do.

 

And just like the masters themselves, these are not recognized by the "public".

 

Without any real experience or mentor or standard from which to discern but for fake videos and comic books - who in the "public" would know even what they would recognize if they saw it?

 

They would judge by their own ideas about motivations and actions too, not ones "invisible" to them.

 

Masters are not hidden. It's just that People cannot recognize them.

 

Like the Truth. The Truth is not hidden or obscure.

 

It's just that People have trouble seeing or recognizing or applying it.

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

[voidisyinyang]

39 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

I was sarcastic in that question. But yeh, it is an interesting topic nonetheless.

 

I was once trying to actually see soul of a person, thing that is beyond consciousness, never dies and never births, see past, see future, see truth, is all possible, a fascinating ability. There is a mode where you can see like xray through things.

 

In the school where I was trained they believed in multiple dimension reality, like the science exists in 3 dimensional world, but consciousness of advanced magus can cut through 12 dimensional reality. Imagine the difference between 3x3x3 and 12x12x12....x12. Just adding time to our physical world equation, makes it a billion years / times bigger. The world itself is even more complex.

 

Our physical plane (the only one visible for nontrained being), is only a tip of the iceberg. On our planet we have atleast 9 other spirit planes, each of which is much bigger than our physical world, even if space there could be calculated. They are populated by tens of trillions beings. I would say, most of those who attained immortality and ascended, live somewhere there. There are also various strange creatures from succubus, to demonic lifeforms, some of those could be much more intelligent than we are, some have ridiculously strong Qi, some live for tens of thousands or even millions years.

 

 

 

You are right, and this gives us future hopes for interstellar travelling. Not for everyone but atleast for the future immortal qi masters.

 

So how Ramana Maharshi describes the light is like this:

 

So for most of us - we see moving images and perceive the images as matter - and this is just how a movie works. If you have the light FILTERED through the movie film and you move the film (our brains) then the light (our mind) perceives these images. This is precisely how science describes it as well - the "External" world we perceive is actually in the PAST as an image constructed in our minds.

 

So then as Ramana Maharshi continues the analog - if you suddenly TURN ON THE LIGHT then suddenly the film with the moving images (the external world) vanishes - and so too does our individual mind as the ego vanishes - and instead there is just an overwhelming bright light that is an over exposure.

 

So then consider what happens in real life - if you STARE at an LED light for example - you easily will then see light with your eyes closed. Why? Because an LED light is based on a coherent quantum frequency of light whereas the normal "external" light is diffuse and seemingly random (or like a movie based on whatever images are flying past as perceived by our limited mind).

 

So then the SUN is ALSO created as an LED light - it is created from COHERENT laser light - and quantum biology has proven indeed we do have this coherent laser light inside us a Biophotons.

 

So if we close our eyes - instead of perceiving a diffuse "random" light (as filtered through the atmosphere or the mind of culture) with our eyes closed we can imagine and also resonate the coherent laser biophoton light. This light then has the intensity to ionize our internal matter and reverse the entropy of the matter.

 

So by the light being "turned around" - the coherent light has the INTENSITY to then overpower and "empty out" the external "filtered" light. And so quantum energy is based on frequency as intensity (not matter as amplitude). So then the resonance as frequency is more powerful than the matter as amplitude. This is the paradox of alchemy since as materialistic Westerners we assume that Brawn and Matter is more powerful - bigger is better, etc.

 

 

[God of Cosmic Storms]

4 hours ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

They do.

 

With a couple exceptions, they do not. If a master wants to convince someone, there is not an issue. The issue is whether people deserve to see it. 

 

The other problem is that practitioner tends to think that he is the master based on number of years of practice, and whatever abilities he may have are not strong enough to manifest in the physical realm.

[voidisyinyang]

3 hours ago, GSmaster said:

 

You are right, and this gives us future hopes for interstellar travelling. Not for everyone but atleast for the future immortal qi masters.

So I just read the best paper on this so far -

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306082038_Superluminal_Photons_Tunneling_through_Brain_Microtubules_Modeled_as_Metamaterials_and_Quantum_Computation

 

I have it linked on my blog

https://elixirfield.blogspot.com/2019/03/listening-to-future-paradox-of-light-of.html

The Evanescent-Field Coupler: Listening to the Future - the paradox of the "light of no light" as the Yuan Shen

So they updated their research AFTER I posted my own research on this topic - and looks like they probably read my research and so got some inspiration - citing G. Nimtz newly. Pretty cool.

https://elixirfield.blogspot.com/2019/03/superluminal-photons-tunnelling-updated.html

 

You gotta scroll down a lot to get to my blog post

[Spotless]

On 3/27/2019 at 3:33 PM, GSmaster said:

 

Ability to see Qi is a fundamental ability, it precedes everything.

Is reason why we call it level 0. There is no point ever talking with somebody on selfdevelopment who cannot see Qi. Trying to describe how things look like to a blind man. With same effect I could talk with a chat bot or a wall.

 

With correct practice 2-3 years should be enough. Sometimes gets faster sometimes is slower but once you get it also has different levels. At level one you will see some white fog. At level three, you will see vivid ocean around yourself and astral beings flying around (being made of non-existent qi).

I have once caught something in the air that looked like a worm and studied it for 30 mins. It was hopping around.

 

I don't know him.

 

Levels 2, 3, I dont think about now.

They would have more extreme abilities.

Selfdevelopment is a growing by exponential rate.

Your powers and qi potential multiply each level 10x times.

Levitation and gravitation control name a few.

 

Pyrokinesis and telekinesis abilities could also have many levels. Some can move a paper cup, others move huge stones.

To be honest there are countless siddhis out there, but most people chose to be ego masters, train in humility and stereotypes, whatever makes them feel good, look good in the eyes of others, and be revered as taoist masters.

 

Quote from above:

GS”Master”

 

“There is no point ever talking with somebody on selfdevelopment who cannot see Qi.”

 

 

This is phenomenal and complete  Bull Shit.

 

 

Another quote from above:

GS(beginner):

“With correct practice 2-3 years should be enough. Sometimes gets faster sometimes is slower but once you get it also has different levels. At level one you will see some white fog. At level three, you will see vivid ocean around yourself and astral beings flying around (being made of non-existent qi).

I have once caught something in the air that looked like a worm and studied it for 30 mins. It was hopping around.

 

I don't know him.

 

Levels 2, 3, I dont think about now.

They would have more extreme abilities.

Selfdevelopment is a growing by exponential rate.

Your powers and qi potential multiply each level 10x times.

Levitation and gravitation control name a few.

 

Pyrokinesis and telekinesis abilities could also have many levels. Some can move a paper cup, others move huge stones.”

END QUOTE

—/—

 

This is kids stuff - kids talk - lost in

siddhis and unaware of it.

A great reason to use Ignore preferences in the toolbox.

Edited May 21, 2019 by Spotless

[Mudfoot]

14 hours ago, Spotless said:

What you have quoted is generally excellent and dispite whoever may be laughing - I am not - it was an excellent quote and the pictures very good.

(Ok, the font changed in my phone, that was unintentional.)

 

The pictures are good. Chia has good illustrators and is good at using visual imagery. And these are classic images, copied from old works. 

 

That doesn't say that the sexualised language, implying post heaven practices, refers to practice methods where you will reach the desired result. 

 

I haven't read his later books, but his earlier work treats the subject of reversal, yuan jing, yuan qi and yuan shen differently from (my understanding of how) the few other texts I have gotten anything useful from speak about it. 

 

I am aware I am biased here, locked in the box of my own experiences (which, btw, most are), but I do not believe I would turn to Universal Tao for this kind of training. 

 

 

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The double vortex is exactly as stated. 

Yes. 

But in my experience, not spinning at the speed of light. 

[Sinai]

50 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

The illustrator was talented and he left, after conflict with chia himself.

Modern books have chia photos of himself instead of illustrations.

 

ohhhhh that's too bad  ... do you know who is he / she ? any forums names or LinkedIn ...