Are you a Shaman

[manitou]

LOL.  I just took a look at your book trailer.  Mr. Passerby is a lovely lady?  You shapeshifter you.

 

My ability to visualize is just about nil.  I am very left-brain weighted due to 30 years as a career detective.  I can't imagine anything!  I can't visualize anything.  It's just blank.  I don't even dream.  The few dreams I have are usually the answer to a question I've been having, and sometimes my 'answer' in healings.  But that's it.

 

I've gone to journeying group meditations and have tried repeatedly to visualize and get down to the lower earth.  I cannot.  I try going through a hollow tree down into the earth and just cannot.  So I don't know if this disqualifies me from being an actual shaman.  I know that many of Castaneda's encounters with Don Juan were in that visualization state; in fact, Don Juan was able to include Carlos in his own imaginings, with Carlos being in awareness that he was there.

 

Could I ask a favor of everyone?  Please don't jump on Castaneda with both feet and crush him on this thread.  I've heard so many negative opinions on this site about what a sham Castaneda was - but he certainly did a lot for me; for both me and my husband, the books took on a life of their own, and odd things happened to us which followed the theme of where we were in the books.  It was really strange.  It was an initiation.

Edited May 22, 2019 by manitou

[mrpasserby]

@manitou, I've gone to journeying group meditations and have tried repeatedly to visualize and get down to the lower earth.  I cannot.  I try going through a hollow tree down into the earth and just cannot.  So I don't know if this disqualifies me from being an actual shaman.  I know that many of Castaneda's encounters with Don Juan were in that visualization state; in fact, Don Juan was able to include Carlos in his own imaginings, with Carlos being in awareness that he was there.

A good shaman in the right conditions should be able to take people on shaman journeys with in. When I was young I have done this a few times myself. It seamed to help a few of those with me to connect and get a taste of the unseen world. The magic for this has to come from within them when they are in the right mood as a group, else the strain on the shaman is very taxing. That is why in ceremonies and such a lot of props are sometimes used and a unifying mantra(s) is recited.  The whole point to all of this is for the collective mind within the group to give a evolutionary upgrade to one or more of the individualizes, or else you might as well go to church. Before you ask, the evolutionary upgrade would be to elevate the spirt of a person to the point were they could view the unseen world. Also I don't personally advocate attempting to much down word viewing/traveling unless it is just to get a taste of what is possible. 

Edited May 24, 2019 by mrpasserby
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[mrpasserby]

2 hours ago, Hannes said:

 

What I said was is the spirit of connecting like minded people so we may learn and contribute to the understanding of the nature of reality and our individual and collective purpose (if any) in the whole.

 

In other news, I started reading your book; and I must say the first chapter really got to me emotionally. I'll reserve any comment until I finish the book, but I must say that I really love your writing style. The message you convey is something that resonates with what my wife and I, and her group of friends talk about. 

 

This is a pretty good joke on me. please reread the post about Shaman at the Rabbit hole.  

I am sorry if I offended anyone this was my attempt at posting information that others can understand more clearly then my poor posts. 

Here is what to look for in the post: (I will also delete and re-right the post by the end of the day)

 

The following articles and comments are going to continue to expand.  

Credits shown from the articles within my post.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism

www.shamanism-101.com/Shamanic_Journey.html

10 Signs You’re a Shaman & Don’t Know It By Lissa Rankin

http://theanatomyofacalling.com

The Shamanic Journey http://www.shamanism-101.com/Shamanic_Journey.html

http://www.shamanism-101.com/Shamanic_Journey.html

To begin embracing your purpose, please feel free to check out my new book The Anatomy Of A Calling. Click the link below to see if it’s for you:

http://theanatomyofacalling.com

Lissa  https://www.thesacredscience.com/10-signs-youre-a-shaman-dont-know-it/

Thanks 

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[mrpasserby]

50 minutes ago, manitou said:

LOL.  I just took a look at your book trailer.  Mr. Passerby is a lovely lady?  You shapeshifter you.

 

My ability to visualize is just about nil.  I am very left-brain weighted due to 30 years as a career detective.  I can't imagine anything!  I can't visualize anything.  It's just blank.  I don't even dream.  The few dreams I have are usually the answer to a question I've been having, and sometimes my 'answer' in healings.  But that's it.

 

I've gone to journeying group meditations and have tried repeatedly to visualize and get down to the lower earth.  I cannot.  I try going through a hollow tree down into the earth and just cannot.  So I don't know if this disqualifies me from being an actual shaman.  I know that many of Castaneda's encounters with Don Juan were in that visualization state; in fact, Don Juan was able to include Carlos in his own imaginings, with Carlos being in awareness that he was there.

 

Could I ask a favor of everyone?  Please don't jump on Castaneda with both feet and crush him on this thread.  I've heard so many negative opinions on this site about what a sham Castaneda was - but he certainly did a lot for me; for both me and my husband, the books took on a life of their own, and odd things happened to us which followed the theme of where we were in the books.  It was really strange.  It was an initiation.

This is a pretty good joke on me. please reread the post about Shaman at the Rabbit hole.  

I am sorry if I offended anyone this was my attempt at posting information that others can understand more clearly then my poor posts. 

Here is what to look for in the post: (I will also delete and re-right the post by the end of the day)

 

The following articles and comments are going to continue to expand.  

Credits shown from the articles within my post.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism

www.shamanism-101.com/Shamanic_Journey.html

10 Signs You’re a Shaman & Don’t Know It By Lissa Rankin

http://theanatomyofacalling.com

The Shamanic Journey http://www.shamanism-101.com/Shamanic_Journey.html

http://www.shamanism-101.com/Shamanic_Journey.html

To begin embracing your purpose, please feel free to check out my new book The Anatomy Of A Calling. Click the link below to see if it’s for you:

http://theanatomyofacalling.com

Lissa  https://www.thesacredscience.com/10-signs-youre-a-shaman-dont-know-it/

Thanks 

[manitou]

Mr. Passerby - Now this is strange.  Looking at that first Wikipedia article, it mentions that shamans do healing through the deep soul.  This is the exact type of healing I do.  But since I can't access other dimensions, a little cannabis takes me right there.  I am capable of staying "in consciousness" for long periods of time, though.  Maybe that counts for accessing other dimensions.,  Who knows.

Edited May 22, 2019 by manitou

[mrpasserby]

1 hour ago, manitou said:

Mr. Passerby - Now this is strange.  Looking at that first Wikipedia article, it mentions that shamans do healing through the deep soul.  This is the exact type of healing I do.  But since I can't access other dimensions, a little cannabis takes me right there.  I am capable of staying "in consciousness" for long periods of time, though.  Maybe that counts for accessing other dimensions.,  Who knows.

Thanks for posting me, I am not the all end all being only half my linage is Shaman, I personally  have nothing against anything that gets a person into a area that can connect with their deep soul. when I was young I would do whatever it took to get there, once I got a handle on my functional spirit 'deep soul', my personal choice; has been to not use any aids. 

'I am capable of staying "in consciousness" for long periods of time, though.  Maybe that counts for accessing other dimensions.'

From what I have gathered from your posts it sounds like you just need another of what I call a 'bump/initiation', In my experience: different types of Shaman, etc... all have different 'bumps/initiations', initiations that they can provide a person if they are ready to receive it. A intense desire,'wanting a 'bump/initiation', so bad that you are willing to go fanatic for it, usually works for me, to drawer a teacher to me, or to get  a 'bump/initiation'. I have had experiences where time and distance made physical 'bumps/initiations' impossible so the whole thing was done via spirit interactions. 

 

some esoteric in perfect quotes from the historical documents that I like:

the leaves of this tree are for the healing of the nations (I think of peace pipes american Indians, and other not so well documented users from other countries)

what ever you put into the body comes out of the body but what comes from the heart is what counts

its the spirit that quickens you not the flesh

 

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[manitou]

That's what I'll be prepared for, then.  A bump/initiation.  As though sleeping in a dirt coffin wasn't enough.

[mrpasserby]

1 hour ago, manitou said:

That's what I'll be prepared for, then.  A bump/initiation.  As though sleeping in a dirt coffin wasn't enough.

In my experience: you do what you have to do to make it. To me DBs is special and all those who made it here are two. The list of I cant's is long for me, 'a person has to know their limitations'-Lol. 

[manitou]

1 hour ago, mrpasserby said:

In my experience: you do what you have to do to make it. To me DBs is special and all those who made it here are two. The list of I cant's is long for me, 'a person has to know their limitations'-Lol. 

 

I'm so glad you found your way here.  What a wonderful addition you are to the forum.

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, manitou said:

That's what I'll be prepared for, then.  A bump/initiation.  As though sleeping in a dirt coffin wasn't enough.

 

Hmmmm , dont like the sound of that .

 

I thought lying there in the bora ring covered with biting stinging ants ... that eventually left me alone  .. was bad enough.

 

Then after teacher informs me that I was supposed to do it with an elder .... who would have given me a special drink to numb the pain.

 

[manitou]

44 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Hmmmm , dont like the sound of that .

 

I thought lying there in the bora ring covered with biting stinging ants ... that eventually left me alone  .. was bad enough.

 

Then after teacher informs me that I was supposed to do it with an elder .... who would have given me a special drink to numb the pain.

 

 

 

LMAO.     You are obviously the real effing thing.

[mrpasserby]

Thanks, manitou, Nungali, I was feeling unconfortable about having made comments that were to deep, I have one non secret initation that I can share. I was made to hold a wierd looking Egyption object in front of a giant snake that I was having to hold up in my left hand until the snake hissed enough to make the wierd Egyption looking thing vibrate some kind of sound, then I was told that I had passed my initation.  

PS My spelling checker is turning everything red so I quit usinig it for now

[manitou]

1 hour ago, mrpasserby said:

Thanks, manitou, Nungali, I was feeling unconfortable about having made comments that were to deep, I have one non secret initation that I can share. I was made to hold a wierd looking Egyption object in front of a giant snake that I was having to hold up in my left hand until the snake hissed enough to make the wierd Egyption looking thing vibrate some kind of sound, then I was told that I had passed my initation.  

PS My spelling checker is turning everything red so I quit usinig it for now

 

That's just incredible.  Was this a shamanic rite from somewhere in particular?  What is the symbolism of getting a snake to exhale onto an Egyptian type object until it vibrates a sound.....or is it a proof of lack of fear of death, or tuning in to the animal's frequency?

[manitou]

22 hours ago, mrpasserby said:

Thanks for the post, I don't realy relate to healing people, except for having been healed many time. Healing people has always been out of my reach.

 I don't really require the ceremonial part for the healing, but people really like it and it keeps them a bit off-guard in their thinking; it keeps them from thinking "Oh this is ridiculous, it'll never work".

I do relate to the classic distraction technique I have used it in the past' Doing a recovery 4th step and acknowledging the blockages and unwanted traits within myself means I can recognize the problem in another.  Clarity appears.  And  I use the understanding that we are All One to anchor as a basis to escort that person to the other side, the side of health.

This sounds like a good practice technique for working with spirits also.

 

 

 

Why do you say it's a good practice technique for working with spirits also?  Are you speaking of spirits in a dual sense?  Or do you use spirits in a lineage sort of way?

[mrpasserby]

7 minutes ago, manitou said:

Why do you say it's a good practice technique for working with spirits also?  Are you speaking of spirits in a dual sense?  Or do you use spirits in a lineage sort of way?

I was just being polite and conversational when I said "This sounds like a good practice technique for working with spirits also.'

I realy admire your intensity, focus and great questions. The information to the question: 'Are you speaking of spirits in a dual sense?, is long, and the same for ' Or do you use spirits in a lineage sort of way?' If you want I will post on these in the Shaman post at the top when I have time. I am just now getting to your post before this one.  

 

[mrpasserby]

On 5/22/2019 at 7:03 PM, manitou said:

 

That's just incredible.  Was this a shamanic rite from somewhere in particular?  What is the symbolism of getting a snake to exhale onto an Egyptian type object until it vibrates a sound.....or is it a proof of lack of fear of death, or tuning in to the animal's frequency?

As short as I can make it: After many years of preparation I had managed a shaman spirit journey and passed into the earths 1st chakra. Once their I went exploring around. I got in trouble, I got caught. After a time a person came up holding a staff, flat looking snake head on one side and a U shaped fork on the other and 'mad as hell', some how got the U shaped end around my neck, then I just went slack, they wanted to keep me there in the first chakra 'for a indeterminate amount of time', But like I have experienced before justice overruled and I was given a chance for initiation, that is the part that I can tell to much about. I passed the test after the initiation, and was happy to get the blank out of there.  

 

'What is the symbolism of getting a snake to exhale onto an Egyptian type object until it vibrates a sound.....or is it a proof of lack of fear of death, or tuning in to the animal's frequency?' I can only guess at the answers to these great questions because I was sacred and I just wanted to go home, so I didn't stick around after the initiation for a in-depth discussion of the process.

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[Nungali]

4 hours ago, manitou said:

 

 

LMAO.     You are obviously the real effing thing.

 

 

 

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, mrpasserby said:

As short as I can make it: After many years of preparation I had managed a shaman spirit journey and passed into the earths 1st chakra. Once their I went exploring around. I got in trouble, I got caught. After a time a person came up holding a staff, flat looking snake head on one side and a U shaped fork on the other and 'mad as hell', some how got the U shaped end around my neck, then I just went slack, they wanted to keep me there in the first chakra 'for a indeterminate amount of time', But like I have experienced before justice overruled and I was given a chance for initiation, that is the part that I can tell. I passed the test after the initiation, and was happy to get the blank out of there.  

 

'What is the symbolism of getting a snake to exhale onto an Egyptian type object until it vibrates a sound.....or is it a proof of lack of fear of death, or tuning in to the animal's frequency?' I can only guess at the answers to these great questions because I was sacred and I just wanted to go home, so I didn't stick around after the initiation for a in-depth discussion of the process.

 

 

Thats the difficult part of these type of initiations.   In the other type, of which I was  pretty deeply involved  (ie.  'western mystery school' in the form of 'dramatic ritual' ) one is always encouraged to 'go over' the initiation ceremony with your initiator. Also you might get some supplementary material to work with afterwards ........

 

Spoiler

[  Hmmm ... I thought to remove this bit ... but then again ...

 

If I stick it in one of these boxes, does that mean only Daobums can read it and it is hidden from internet searches ? ]

 

 

........Although,  I  ( in the role of initiator)  encouraged people to do so,  not that many took up the offer ... strange .  Also, it was unbelievable what some people thought about their initiation ceremony , the way they interpreted it and what they thought it meant .  One woman did review with me , and she started talking about the part where she got a dead dried bird's head to head .

 

 

Me;  "  You  whaaaat ? "

 

Her.  " In the   part at the beginiing, when it was dark and dim.  You gave me a dried birds head to eat and I ate  it . "

 

Me;  "  That was bread and salt ."

 

But then ..... "Hang on ... aside from why on earth would I do  give THAT to you ... why on earth would you EAT it , if thats what you thought it was ?"

 

"Well, it was an initiation .... I thought it was a test . " 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 2019 by Nungali

[mrpasserby]

Nungali: "If I stick it in one of these boxes, does that mean only Daobums can read it and it is hidden from internet searches ? "That would be great news, I don't get to play post very much, because I don't want to offend the general public. how do we test it? 

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[Nungali]

Well, I have a sneaky plan ... ...

 

 

we wait here until someone with a brain  comes along and says   no it doesnt or yes, that is right.

[Starjumper]

On 5/21/2019 at 10:39 PM, manitou said:

This is an excellent point, friend.  You are absolutely right.  This I know when I am in consciousness.  When I fall out, I'm in duality.  You caught me in a moment of duality.

 

And the funny thing is, that when one remains in consciousness, knowing all things to be One, there is no feeling of out-of-placeness at all.  We are as much a part of that sidewalk as that tree.  The self-consciousness leaves.

 

The way I feel about the not belonging is like this:  Most places in nature, far from roads, feel very inviting, and it sometimes seems like it would be nice to just lie down in a hollow somewhere and stay there forever.

 

The feeling of not belonging has to do with people, or groups of people.  I never did get on in any group, and I can just imagine some other potential 'groups'.  Let's see, the Chinese chi kung teachers will hate me because they don't like Gringos weaseling in on their territory, particularly one that knows more than many of them (they even killed my brother for something similar).  The National Qigong Association (like the YMCA for chi kung) will dislike me when I tell them they're a bunch of money grubbing amateurs with certificates who like to pat each other on the back (the certificate Conga Line CanCan dance).  

 

There's also different levels of shamans, there's the weenie shamans (the majority), then there's the middle of the road guys, and then there's a few maha shamans.  Well let me tell you, the weenie shamans (yoga teachers) and the middle shamans (local Ayahuasca peddlers and chanters) fear and hate it when the real thing shows up in their town.  Don't ask me what the Christian fundamentalists and Catholics think of me.  A couple of 'Christians" (actually fundamentalist morons) told a buddy that they were more afraid of me than they were of the Irish Slasher, who stabbed a couple of people here and killed one

 

Sometimes I think I could feel like I belong with some of my kung fu brothers ....

Edited May 24, 2019 by Starjumper

[manitou]

14 hours ago, mrpasserby said:

 

I realy admire your intensity, focus and great questions. 

 

 

LOL.  I should probably apologize.  Once a detective, always a detective.  I can get a bit intense.....I'll turn the interrogation light off now.

[manitou]

13 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

 

 

 

I'm assuming you're not Geordie?  Being caged on the grass wasn't quite what you described....

[mrpasserby]

In my experience: Shaman is a general name for a whole bunch of jobs that are being done by spirit minded people, those who are frequently working alone or in small groups, and often abused by those that they are making a effort to *help.

Rumi paraphrased (because I couldn't find the exact quote OK, so where is that guy with the brains that Nungali, and me are waiting for?)

'I lead you to the gates of heaven, but when a demon jumps up and says Boo, you all run away'

I laugh to thing what certain members who are currently posting on this thread would do!

(then there world be a howling by the gates of heaven, because good gate guardians (sometimes called demons) are hard to put back together).

*no, not a sob story, there are no free lunches it is always a trade off of help, the only historical hint of this (that I have found) 'is when '2 coins are placed over a persons eyes so that they can pay the boat man (shaman) to take them across the river sticks.' In my experience: exchanging tribute is a normal course of action when working within the unseen world.

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 2019 by mrpasserby
My spelling checker hates me

[mrpasserby]

1 hour ago, manitou said:

 

 

LOL.  I should probably apologize.  Once a detective, always a detective.  I can get a bit intense.....I'll turn the interrogation light off now.

Of course I posted the wrong thing, words are the bane of those who don't have a good mind filter when it comes to attempts at polite conversation/posting. Most if not all think that I an out of my mind, this is true most of the time. (you mentioned being a detective), I confess to having been a computer enthusiast back when hard drives where blank and you had to program them from scratch (a most exciting time for me), now that I have a newly forming  'Egregore FolkSoul Gistalt/tuple (apparently formed by the DBs brain trust, and subsequent focused activity)' to work with at DBs, your questions have been a tremendous help in my experimenting and tapping into it to clarify my answers regarding my other worldly experiences, which also aid in giving it growth experiences. Thanks 

Edited May 23, 2019 by mrpasserby
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