No more right-wing bullshit.

[Nungali]

13 hours ago, flowing hands said:

My point, which is quite simple, if you have a proper section on a particular subject like martial art, then no one can miss it!!! I never saw any posts about other martial arts, they must have been well hidden.

 

Nope .

 

Wanna list ?

 

13 hours ago, flowing hands said:

 

I kept well out of the Christian threads and the political threads, but they made impacts on other threads that I may have been on. For example the thread on Climate change was taken over by the right wing Trumpsters and virtually no one answered my original post!

 

Oh ....   <sigh >  .

[Nungali]

7 hours ago, rideforever said:

That would be a minor miracle considering the owner is sitting on one side of the scales and hitting it with a pick axe !!!

 

No, its simple physics. Apparently you did not notice the huge accretion on the other side that got hacked off .

 

and I was describing a 'special magical Daoist scales'  not some modern new agey , we need to incorporate everything under the sun and have it balanced scales .... on a Daoist website . 

 

 

 

I have no idea how a serious fan or believer in Trump and similar policies could be a Daoist .  

 

 

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

 

Right-wing ideologues out; Rumi in.  What is this forum coming to?

 

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzSJBowPECY

 

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Edited August 6, 2019 by Nungali

[Nungali]

 

4 hours ago, ilumairen said:

 

I liked your rant. How about some iced tea instead?

 

 

You are gonna hit him with a bucket of iced tea ? 

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, flowing hands said:

 

If you don't have the proper understanding of the text you are simply spreading your own take which becomes lies. Rant all you like, a true understanding can only come from someone who has been exclusively trained. The DDJ is not philosophy, it  is mostly a book of deep self cultivation on many levels that will see those who are wise enough to realize immortality.

 

I find myself hitting my head against a wall!!

 

 

Here ya go !

 

 

< throws a bucket if iced tea on him >

[doc benway]

58 minutes ago, Nungali said:

I have no idea how a serious fan or believer in Trump and similar policies could be a Daoist .  

 

... or Buddhist, or Bönpo, or Christian, or Muslim, or Jaini, or Hindu, or Jew, or Pastafarian.

 

 

 

[Apech]

6 hours ago, steve said:

 

... or Buddhist, or Bönpo, or Christian, or Muslim, or Jaini, or Hindu, or Jew, or Pastafarian.

 

 

 

 

Pastafarians believe in noodles (and the sauce of life itself).

[Geof Nanto]

7 hours ago, Nungali said:

I have no idea how a serious fan or believer in Trump and similar policies could be a Daoist .  

 

Trump is certainly the antithesis of the sage of the Daodejing.  I found it powerfully strange that some members, notably Dawei, like both the Daodejing and Trump.

 

However, Daoism isn’t the Dao. Although I personally find Trump obnoxious, my main interest at this late stage of my life is in understanding why the Dao throws up a Trump-like force. Could it be that our contemporary world is way out of harmony with Dao and the Trump ‘illness’ is a very visible aspect of Nature’s way of highlighting this profound imbalance? He’s a catalyst for change. And how that change plays out across the whole world is not something Trump or anyone else can control. If he’s powerful enough, he’ll cause deep chaos. And out of that chaos new life will eventually be born. The Dao is composed of polar forces (yin-yang) in continual motion and works by reversal.

 

I wrote a little about further aspects of the process of change on my “The Spirit of the Dao Bums” topic here and here.  For me, Trump is a low-level manifestation of archetypal force that the Western alchemists of old called the spirit Mercurius. The trickster. He’s a quintessential “poison dripping dragon”. His strength is actually fragile because he’s merely a vehicle for spiritual forces of which he has no awareness. A high-level manifestation of the spirit Mercurius is someone with total awareness of the forces they are manifesting.  And that’s definitely not Trump.

 

 

[Taomeow]

 “I am the punishment of God.  If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.” -- Genghis Khan

 

 

Edited August 7, 2019 by Taomeow

[Miffymog]

10 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

No, its simple physics. Apparently you did not notice the huge accretion on the other side that got hacked off .

 

and I was describing a 'special magical Daoist scales'  not some modern new agey , we need to incorporate everything under the sun and have it balanced scales .... on a Daoist website . 

 

 

 

I have no idea how a serious fan or believer in Trump and similar policies could be a Daoist .  

 

 

 

Is there only bad in Trump ?

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Yueya said:

 

Trump is certainly the antithesis of the sage of the Daodejing.  I found it powerfully strange that some members, notably Dawei, like both the Daodejing and Trump.

 

However, Daoism isn’t the Dao. Although I personally find Trump obnoxious, my main interest at this late stage of my life is in understanding why the Dao throws up a Trump-like force. Could it be that our contemporary world is way out of harmony with Dao

 

 

 

Wait ,,, what !  Are you saying the modern world is out of harmony with dao and  the natural way ! 

 

Good heavens ! 

 

   

Spoiler

 

2 hours ago, Yueya said:

 

and the Trump ‘illness’ is a very visible aspect of Nature’s way of highlighting this profound imbalance?

 

 

 

Oh no ya dont !  ya aint gonna blame  Trump on nature now !

 

 

2 hours ago, Yueya said:

 

 He’s a catalyst for change. And how that change plays out across the whole world is not something Trump or anyone else can control. If he’s powerful enough, he’ll cause deep chaos. And out of that chaos new life will eventually be born.

 

 

 

 

         

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

 'green new life'  at Chernobyl

 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Yueya said:

 

The Dao is composed of polar forces (yin-yang) in continual motion and works by reversal.

 

I wrote a little about further aspects of the process of change on my “The Spirit of the Dao Bums” topic here and here.  For me, Trump is a low-level manifestation of archetypal force that the Western alchemists of old called the spirit Mercurius. The trickster. He’s a quintessential “poison dripping dragon”. His strength is actually fragile because he’s merely a vehicle for spiritual forces of which he has no awareness. A high-level manifestation of the spirit Mercurius is someone with total awareness of the forces they are manifesting.  And that’s definitely not Trump.

 

 

 

No form of any spirit of Mercury . . Not eve the lowest .  He is a   qlipothic  (reversal) of Mercurius ( which is intelligence, medicine , reason, science, )

 

 

A mercurial  demon     (much lower than the lowest of spirits in the hierarchy  )

 

Medieval version ;

 

 

Modern version

 

 

[Miffymog]

It's worth going back a bit and reflecting on the fact your democracy gave you a choice of Trump or Clinton ...

 

good / bad ...

 

representative ... of systems and society ...

 

edit

 

HOW ON EARTH IS SO MUCH ANTI-TRUMP RHETORIC ACCEPTABLE

 

accept everything...

 

 

edit 2

 

why are these extreme partisan views not banned???

 

 

 

Edited August 7, 2019 by Miffymog

[wandelaar]

The Tao Te Ching has right and left wing aspects to it. It's against conspicuous consumption, gross inequality and imperialist wars, but it's also against large scale state intervention in order to create a supposedly ideal society.  I could imagine a laissez faire right-winger being a Taoist at the same time. On the other hand Trump himself is the complete opposite of a Taoist ruler. But then again there are some Legalist traces in the Tao Te Ching also. So it's much of a mixed bag just as the bible.

 

The Chuang tse on the other hand is a-political.

 

Repeatedly seeing Taoism qualified here as simply socialist without so much as a hint at any other interpretation proves that a somewhat more objective equilibrium hasn't been found here yet. But who knows what the future will bring...

 

(By the way I consider myself left wing, but I try to keep that conviction separate from the process of fact finding which often brings me in opposition to the feelings and positions of the radical left.)

[liminal_luke]

8 hours ago, Apech said:

 

Pastafarians believe in noodles (and the sauce of life itself).

 

I´ve mostly steered clear of organized religion but I think I just found my spiritual home.

[OldDog]

5 hours ago, wandelaar said:

... but I try to keep that conviction separate from the process of fact finding ...

 

Won't admit to being a leftist but in a part of the country where the right prevails it is easy to be seen as leftist.

 

I, too, try to adhere to a neutral process ... One of examining each issue on its own merit, relying on fact finding to help define the issue.

 

But on any issue, both the left and right stake out their positions and truth is hard to see. I'd bet that if you challenged a left leaning or a right leaning individual why they have adopted the position they have taken, they would be hard pressed to provide a coherent well reasoned response. They are not driven by reason. The drivers are buried deep, where the intellect has difficulty probing.

 

I believe that there is some truth on both sides of the issue and that finding a way through any issue involves recognizing those truths and formulating a direction that addresses those truths.

 

 

 

Edited August 7, 2019 by OldDog
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[wandelaar]

@ OldDog

 

One can not be solely driven by reason, but as far as establishing the facts is concerned I think that one should at least try to keep ones personal convictions and passions out of it as far as possible. What I mostly see in political discussions is that people are only interested in those facts that seem to bolster their own position. Consequently no real discussion on the basis of a more broad view of the evidence results.

[Michael Sternbach]

10 hours ago, Yueya said:

 

Trump is certainly the antithesis of the sage of the Daodejing.  I found it powerfully strange that some members, notably Dawei, like both the Daodejing and Trump.

 

However, Daoism isn’t the Dao. Although I personally find Trump obnoxious, my main interest at this late stage of my life is in understanding why the Dao throws up a Trump-like force. Could it be that our contemporary world is way out of harmony with Dao and the Trump ‘illness’ is a very visible aspect of Nature’s way of highlighting this profound imbalance? He’s a catalyst for change. And how that change plays out across the whole world is not something Trump or anyone else can control. If he’s powerful enough, he’ll cause deep chaos. And out of that chaos new life will eventually be born. The Dao is composed of polar forces (yin-yang) in continual motion and works by reversal.

 

I wrote a little about further aspects of the process of change on my “The Spirit of the Dao Bums” topic here and here.  For me, Trump is a low-level manifestation of archetypal force that the Western alchemists of old called the spirit Mercurius. The trickster. He’s a quintessential “poison dripping dragon”. His strength is actually fragile because he’s merely a vehicle for spiritual forces of which he has no awareness. A high-level manifestation of the spirit Mercurius is someone with total awareness of the forces they are manifesting.  And that’s definitely not Trump.

 

 

 

The perceived connection of Trump to the alchemical Mercurius in some form is interesting insofar he is a Gemini Sun, and that sign is intimately connected to the planet Mercury according to astrological lore!

[OldDog]

@wandalaar

 

Agree that one cannot be driven solely by reason but am somewhat surprised,  old friend, that you would state as much. I had always understood you to be a very reasoned, logic oriented person. Clearly, I have misread you. Perhaps we should explore other sources of input.

 

 

[wandelaar]

The conclusion that one can't be solely driven by reason is also the result of some hard-nosed logical thinking.

 

It goes back at least to David Hume's is-ought problem. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem

[dawei]

11 hours ago, Yueya said:

Trump is certainly the antithesis of the sage of the Daodejing.  I found it powerfully strange that some members, notably Dawei, like both the Daodejing and Trump.

 

If we were all sages, it would likely be a very boring site

 

 

11 hours ago, Yueya said:

 However, Daoism isn’t the Dao. Although I personally find Trump obnoxious, my main interest at this late stage of my life is in understanding why the Dao throws up a Trump-like force. Could it be that our contemporary world is way out of harmony with Dao and the Trump ‘illness’ is a very visible aspect of Nature’s way of highlighting this profound imbalance? 

 

I view it as simply the ten thousand arise in sundry ways.

 

As an aside, there have been 2-3 energetic shifts in the world in the last several years.  So I see there are some forces at work that many might not consider or feel. 

 

11 hours ago, Yueya said:

He’s a catalyst for change. And how that change plays out across the whole world is not something Trump or anyone else can control. If he’s powerful enough, he’ll cause deep chaos. And out of that chaos new life will eventually be born. The Dao is composed of polar forces (yin-yang) in continual motion and works by reversal.

 

 

I've said before, I think he represents a reset on some level.  I generally agree with what your suggesting. 

[wandelaar]

2 hours ago, OldDog said:

Perhaps we should explore other sources of input.

 

Something for a new topic perhaps?

[manitou]

On 8/6/2019 at 10:50 AM, OldDog said:

 

Ha!

 

I laughed out loud! Because I found my first DDJ at a university bookstore sale at the end of the school year where they were reducing stock and selling books that weren't moving. It's funny how providence steps in just when you need it.

 

When the student is ready ....

 

 

Isn't that amazing how a synchronistic little event can totally alter the course of your life?  My explanation is in the understanding that all is really Now; for some reason that makes more sense to me, that something that casual would lead to something so momentous in our lives.

[Spotless]

On 8/5/2019 at 12:00 AM, wandelaar said:

My fear is coming true. With the expulsion of the right wing Bums the focus has not returned to Taoism and spirituality but has swung the other way to left wing apologetics. The problem here isn't with right or left wing Bums: the basic problem lies in the fixation on political issues and the addiction to ideological battles about who is right or wrong. Such discussions seldom if ever result in people changing their opinion, and thus they don't help in creating a better world (from whatever perspective). Yes - I hear the protests rising: But we can't let the right wing bullshitters have their way! No indeed we can't, but we will not stop them by preaching, shouting, or debating either. It is my impression that people who turn to Trump do so in large measure exactly because they are sick and tired of being criticized and preached to by the radical left. So we are achieving the exact opposite of what we want.

This is frozen in the rhythmic drone of cyclical imagery and the sleep of "its only one opinion vs another".

 

What is occurring today in the "United" States of America is pre-war Hitler Germany. One side is eating, sleeping and shitting propaganda. It is happening in their churches - in their schools - in their military - it is unequivocally based on fear and lies and conscious propaganda and endless promotion of incendiary untrue teaching made of complete fantasy and fabrication in the name of God and country.

 

These are exactly the type of people in Germany after the war who wondered "how did we get behind this madness?" 

Though not all of the German people were aghast at what had occurred - many were utterly consumed with their superior mindedness - many were consumed with cleaning the world - many enjoyed their consort with complete abandon of reality and complete submission to pack animal lynching.

 

The "Republican Party" is not a party - it is agenda - ruthless complete agenda - murderous agenda - squash and kill agenda - completely rewrite history to an agenda based fantasy for God. It has become completely Godless in a spray of infectious viruses and the propagation of all things for an end at all costs - including all things they heretofore held dear and sacred.

 

The Radical Left is generally among the great fantasies propagated by the Hitlerian spew - everything is taken to a straw man argument level - nothing is approached from sanity - everything supports the Lynching mentality - no normal look at what is being said is allowed - that would be contrary to a good old fashion lynching - kill, lie, smear and hang the bastard - if he gets hanged its because it was Gods will - lynching him/her/they becomes a trophy for "All is Right and Good" - it makes church an even sounder place for judgement, righteousness and isolation.

 

No - you don't feed a Hitler - you cut out his tongue - you remove him from all resource.

 

We know what a Hitler is - we need to call it out in what is clearly its forms - unmistakable - without reason - mob insanity far beyond the normal insanity. And they are indeed armed to the hilt and tiring of not pulling the triggers - anxious for an apocalypse.

 

This has become a group of fuck buddies - they are the sodom and Gomorrah they fear - they swim in lies and preach hate and exclusiveness and are a hell realm. They love a bloodbath - they always have.

Edited August 7, 2019 by Spotless

[wandelaar]

Well - I sure hope this kind of over the top ranting will not become the new standard here... 

[Spotless]

The so called "Radical Left" of today is basically the Republican of yesterday - my last post was no rant - it was a retort of a ridiculous quote based in sleep. A sleep that allows for the breeding of total insanity. 

 

Most of the Left is tepid and much of the reason for Trump getting any votes was because of the conservative nature of Hilary and the contempt for the status quo that she came to represent to many on the fence. 

 

Bernie Sanders could have easily won - but Hilary was placed into the lead by the Democratic convention and much of the momentum to Trump was not just Russian interference and propagation - it was a real desire for change. Most of those on the fence are beginning to see how far to the opposite Trump has been and how much he partakes in the deliveries of the Ralf Reeds of the world - who deliver the hell realms for God.

Edited August 7, 2019 by Spotless