No more right-wing bullshit.

[ralis]

6 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

I think it is ridiculous to equate the Right and Left here.

 

The "Right" as they have been represented here on the forum by primarily Far Right and the "Left" on this forum who have opposed them, and even then, there are still very few actual Leftists. The "Left" as characterized by the Far Right is as Sean earlier said closer to being Center Right. 

 

Who is calling for a "humanitarian border" and denying climate change while seeking unilateralism and supporting a demagogue with narcissistic personality disorder? Caging children and separating them from families, raiding immigrant families without proper documentation and ending aid that would actually help fight the root of the problems in Central America that causes refugees to flee to the United States? This is the Far Right and the hate they are promoting while bafflingly joining a forum on philosophical studies and spiritual growth is quite strange. 

 

The "Left" or rather the opponents of those views are by no means equal because they are not ignoring the science of climate change, they are not characterizing immigrants or Muslims as terrorists and vermin, they are not supporting a tyrant who has been disregarding the rule of law and has a revolving door of Yes Men to fuel his megalomaniacal tendencies and Ego-Fear complex. 

 

Again: The Left is not doing anything remotely close to what the Right has been doing for the past two years on this forum. The Left is only more vocal now than they ever have been because they are not going to be gaslit, trivialized, insulted, or ignored and ridiculed, especially when one of the prime instigators of that behavior was one mod who I do not need to name as they have already been identified several times in this thread. 

 

Thank you for an eloquent expose' regarding the last few years!

[ilumairen]

Just now, s1va said:

 

What I notice in the comments of certain members is intolerance, rudeness and sarcasm passed off as joke with a laughing emoji many times, in the guise of disagreement.  

 

Breeding resentment or hatred towards any one person or group is unhealthy.

 

Best wishes!

 

S1va, to be as blunt as possible, I'm a bit irritated with you at the moment.. a moment which took weeks to coalesce, and which your personal pity party isn't helping. 

 

 

[ralis]

2 minutes ago, s1va said:

 

What I notice in the comments of certain members is intolerance, rudeness and sarcasm passed off as joke with a laughing emoji many times, in the guise of disagreement.  

 

Breeding resentment or hatred towards any one person or group is unhealthy.

 

Best wishes!

 

If you want to talk about the laughing emoji's, one member posted over 100 on my posts over a period of around one month. No matter what or where I posted, the same old emoji was there. I reported this behavior as trolling and I was advised to ignore it. There is no way to ignore what can't be ignored.

[s1va]

Just now, ralis said:

 

If you want to talk about the laughing emoji's, one member posted over 100 on my posts over a period of around one month. No matter what or where I posted, the same old emoji was there. I reported this behavior as trolling and I was advised to ignore it. There is no way to ignore what can't be ignored.

 

No matter who does it, it is abhorrent in my views.  I am 100% with you, it's wrong.

 

I can't speak for or justify why you were advised to ignore.  Many times we can just call it out as I did or just ignore the member.

[sean]

27 minutes ago, s1va said:

Replacing one set of extreme views, intolerance and hatred with another set is sadly distasteful.

 

A classic example of bothsidesism in this case.

 

"Hatred" of racism and homophobia are not the same as being racist and homophobic.

 

Sure, hatred is not the healthiest or most effective emotion. But it's still qualitatively different to be naturally morally disgusted and upset with bigotry than it is to be a bigot and ignorantly espouse such.

 

Intolerance of intolerance is not intolerance.

 

27 minutes ago, s1va said:

Perhaps someone can clarify for some of us who may have friends or family with diverse views and people from all political spectrums.

 

Please don't hijack the word diverse to include people with regressive, intolerant politics. Spend time with your bigoted friends and family in the real world. Love them. Talk to them. Hold them accountable. Help them evolve. Just don't invite them to this one weird Daoish forum on the internet run by a literal communist. Que sera.

 

Sean

 

[s1va]

7 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

S1va, to be as blunt as possible, I'm a bit irritated with you at the moment.. a moment which took weeks to coalesce, and which your personal pity party isn't helping. 

 

 

 

I have to call it as I see it respectfully.  I have not been disrespectful or rude with anyone in my posts.  If you found any of my posts disrespectful in anyway, you can point it out to me or report it.  I can't help if you are irritated.  I suggest with good intentions that you use the ignore user feature if my posts bother you.  This way you won't be compelled to respond to my posts or get upset.

[ilumairen]

8 minutes ago, ralis said:

 

If you want to talk about the laughing emoji's, one member posted over 100 on my posts over a period of around one month. No matter what or where I posted, the same old emoji was there. I reported this behavior as trolling and I was advised to ignore it. There is no way to ignore what can't be ignored.

 

Shit ralis [pardon the language, I've tipped into angry] I don't even know if you'd believe what I've had to ignore here.. 

[sean]

[ilumairen]

5 minutes ago, s1va said:

 

I have to call it as I see it respectfully.  I have not been disrespectful or rude with anyone in my posts.  If you found any of my posts disrespectful in anyway, you can point it out to me or report it.  I can't help if you are irritated.  I suggest with good intentions that you use the ignore user feature if my posts bother you.  This way you won't be compelled to respond to my posts or get upset.

 

What I'm angry about is behind the scenes b.s. .. which I've accepted in relative silence, until you decided to throw yourself a pity party because someone was rude - when not that long ago you apparently refused to take a stand against harassment and stalking behavior. 

 

Hypocrite!

Edited August 9, 2019 by ilumairen

[gendao]

On 8/4/2019 at 3:05 PM, Rocky Lionmouth said:

So... yeah, of course it is the actual owner and supplier of this FREE service of a Dao/spiritual board drawing a boundary and asking everyone who isn’t willing to play nice to leave who is childish, not those who have outstayed their welcome and know this for a fact but still argue the abstract principle of having their way unconditionally because rights, free speech and yada yada.

 

Do you guys also crash weddings and claim it’s a free country when the newlyweds tell you ”please leave, you’re not invited.”? I bet my nose you do, after reading this.

Do you argue semantical rethoric of impartiality when something you don’t like gets kindly asked to leave before being escorted off the premises? I just dont think so.

 

It’s not at all infuriating to read page after page of ”uh, excuse me GOD, stop dictating stuff, i feel denied my right to live if i cant be on here against your wishes to blab and rant and bully. Aint this heaven? Well then let me bully people in the name of free speech, Jesus man, stop being butthurt God. Amen.”

 

Lord Guan Gong help me, this is pitiful to watch.

So wait...are the same Trumpuppets who believe they "own" Turtle Island (common ground taken by force) and are physically deporting and building a wall to keep "invasive freeloaders" (like themselves) out...now complaining that they are getting digitally deported here by the actual owner of this forum?

 

Can any of them please explain to me what their difference in principle is here?  Or is it just plain ole' hypocrisy?

Edited August 9, 2019 by gendao

[Walker]

2 hours ago, Apech said:

I'm beginning to think I am spectacularly dense as I didn't detect any of this spillage.  How did it manifest?  I confess I used to 'troll' in a light hearted sense the Trump and Brexit threads (which is also closed for some reason) by posting about socialism and the like and took it as just a bit silly.  I'm already missing teasing Patrick and Chang.  I had no idea so many were people were upset - it's been a real surprise to me.

 

I guess as the last few years wore on I saw enough smug, seldom-retorted pro-Trump-isms and alt-right-conspiracy-isms pop up (with "likes" applied to many of them by a certain fairly outspoken mod) to lead me to conclude that this reflected the culture of those in charge here. I mean, look at one of the most prolific members, who popped up in nearly every thread and got close to 50,000 posts. Now, I know Marblehead is beloved to some here, but I recall a fair bit of pro-Trump rhetoric from him, and that was not necessarily the central problem. To me, the problem was that he also resorted to blatant misogyny when he got into a disagreement with a woman, and much later resorted to an attempt at "ask about me in the streets" bullying to try and silence me personally when I disagreed with him. For whatever reason he seemed to catch no flak, so later, when 8-Chan/4-Chan madness started to infiltrate the site, I came to believe that whoever was making the decisions here was cool with the directions the winds were blowing in. 

 

A bit of rambling to illustrate some of my thinking more generally about why the board needed the recent changes, and why perhaps you are not "spectacularly dense," and perhaps I am simply "spectacularly sensitive"...

 

I have not lived full-time in the US since 2006 and I am quite a bit more anti-CCP than anti-GOP, so I'm one of those people who can see the "right twice a day" part of the ticking clock (hopefully not time bomb) that is Donald Trump. I think the trade war probably needed to happen some way or another (though it is a hamfisted mess), I'm glad he took Taiwanese President Tsai Yingwen's phone call, and I think that whatever you might/should say about them two (and their motives), at least Pence and Pompeo have stood up on the world stage and pointed glaring lights at the ethnic cleansing destroying Uyghur culture in Xinjiang province. Heck, I even go so far as to actually sometimes downright sympathize with Trump when he complains that the media twists his words, because I've seen him quoted in outlets like the Washington Post, the Guardian, and the NYTimes, gone and found the full quote, and then though, "ehhhhhh, he's kinda right." Quite a few times, actually. But on the whole, I feel that the man is a walking, tweeting shitshow who has clearly channeled and amplified the worst of the "paranoid style in American politics." The paranoid style of his supporters is deeply troubling to me. 

 

Here's an example of why letting TDB become a place where even the "pizzagate" theory finds a cozy platform disturbed me:

 

I just got back to my hotel room from a boozy Chinese business meeting where I acted as an interpreter and where one of the "guests of honor" has been a Chinese Communist Party member since the 1960s. I tend to be loquacious, gregarious motherfucker with a pretty strong stomach for baijiu, and it is when the baijiu flows that people in this watch-what-you-say culture open up a bit... hence the custom of holding important meetings at night, over dinner, with liquor pouring at twice the rate of tea and thrice the rate of water. Anyway, he was a bit cagey around me at first (I put him off with my 'tude in the beginning, as I'm jaded enough that I don't really give a fuck about the "bothersiderism" that people habitually use here to avoid admitting that there is always and 800-lb gorilla in the room with a red hat on, and I will say straight to people's faces that I think the HK protests are A-Ok, that Taiwan is fo' damn sure a free and separate country, and that everybody here is oppressed and anybody who won't admit it is either afraid to or brainwashed or some combination of the two), but after a couple of bottles and a few jolly conversations about our favorite hikes up a little-known holy mountain in Guizhou province and the beautiful women of Tongren City, I managed to break the ice I'd created and he switched into friendly storytelling mode.

 

Once the party member was good and jolly, another guy his age (late 60s, pushing 70) who grew up in HK broached the topic of the Cultural Revolution. The party member started telling us about how he got swept up in the madness in 1966, when he was in middle school. He became a Red Guard just like everybody in his school did, because classes just stopped, and then it was join or get the shit beaten out of you, maybe get killed, maybe get sent to a gulag, and definitely see your family suffer miserably if you didn't do as you were meant to.

 

Soon enough the Red Guards, even just the ones in his 500 person middle school, split into warring factions (three, in the case of his school), and nobody was safe, because nobody was afforded protection from the factions one didn't belong to. Madness, violence, and the unrecoverable destruction of a culture ensued. He had to stand by and silently watch his grandfather get cursed and then beaten by a rival faction of Red Guards, despite the fact that this granddaddy had been a war hero on the Communist side with a battle injury and papers to prove it. What could he have done to interfere that would not have made things worse for everybody in his family? Probably nothing, I believe.

 

Most of us "know about" the Cultural Revolution and the many other terrible upheavals of recent history, but how often do you guys speak to living, breathing survivors of these paroxysms of the worst of human mob mentality? How many of you, as I do, have a friend who has disappeared, and very likely been sent to a concentration camp because she is a Uyghur--an extra high risk one, because she studied overseas? I say this because while I personally do not have the clearness of vision to determine whether or not Trump is on par with a Hitler or a Mao or even an Erdogan or a Bolsonaro, I do know too many people who can look you in the eyes and tell you one scary thing on the basis of personal experience: it doesn't necessarily take all that much "work" to make millions of people go goddamn batshit crazy and start doing "the unimaginable." Given that fact, I believe that nothing on the spectrum that runs from Orbans and Dutertes to Kims and Milosevics to Maos and Stalins is acceptable, because that whole slope is way too steep and slippery for any society to flirt with. We therefore have a responsibility to pull things away from that ledge, even if only in tiny ways that may seem almost pointlessly ineffectual, like writing posts on websites like this one.

 

Conversations like the one I had tonight are a bit like sitting with a Rwandan who narrates their life story to you, versus you sitting and watching Hotel Rwanda. The latter was a powerful film, but it was Hollywood, and after it's over you can eject the DVD out and file that in your mind as "just a movie," even if you know it was "based on real events." However, sitting with somebody who was in living memory whipping the shit out of their own parents and teachers--or was one of the beaten and whipped, as has been the case with other stories I've heard--is very different from watching a historical film or a documentary. This is living, breathing evidence that societies really can explode into a millions pieces of human shrapnel.

 

Spending long years of my life in the totalitarian surveillance state that grew out of the living generation of people who passed through total insanity between 1966 and 1976 has given me a potent appreciation for the fragility and not-at-all-guaranteedness of what we can take for granted in functioning democracies, as faaaaaaaaar from perfect as they certainly are. And when you are so very well acquainted with that fragility, well, I guess maybe it just makes you sensitive to certain things in posts here that other people might not so easily notice. Maybe it even makes you oversensitive. But I guess I'll just take oversensitive instead of blase when it comes to a fans of a man who flirts constantly with the idea of outright ordering his most committed followers to pick up their guns and take "MAGA" into their own hands, and who is already well documented as being the inspiration for border vigilantes, perverse behavior perpetrated by ICE employees, a pipe-bombing wacko, and countless isolated incidents of hate crime and harassment... much of the above committed, I suspect, by people who are pretty sure that their "red pill" knowledge justifies their extreme acts.

 

Most of that "red pill" shit comes from websites with poor QC.

 

1 hour ago, s1va said:

Someone was rude to me and told me to leave this site because I had some friends that left who have right leaning views.  No one spoke against this or said this is wrong.  Where is this intolerance going and what are the next set of directives?

1. If you have a friend that is right leaning, leave the site immediately
2. If your spouse, partner or parents have right wing views, leave the site
3. If you are accused of right wing views by another member, leave the site forthwith

 

I understand your concern and consider it valid. Flame of intolerance from one side answering those of another will lead nowhere good, even if the flames never do more than consume this website. I probably have not always chosen my words well enough and it is probably true that all of the people writing passionately here should be very cautious--even if one feels very even keeled when writing, the words may not appear that way.

 

That said, without speaking for Sean, I will say that my interpretation of this thread's title was never "anybody who has views on the right side of the political spectrum must leave," and rather as, "get that alt-right bullshit out of here." I don't want to sit here and try and define the alt-right with a taxonomist's precision. I'm talking about tiki torches, MAGA rallies, cars crashing into anti-racism marches, David Duke, AR15s in pizza shops, "lock her up," QAnon, etc.

 

As I said, today I worked as an interpreter, and my American client is a guy with an auto-parts company who I've known for about four years. He's such a Republican that yesterday, out of nowhere, he told me the following story: "when my twin brother came out here on a business trip to China with me one year, at dinner he suddenly said, I've been meaning to tell ya, my son is gay. So the next day I called my nephew to say to him, 'hey, your dad told me your gay, and I want you to know I love you and I don't care about that, I just wanna know what political party you belong to.'" Shit, the old guy is such a Republican that he assumed I knew the answer, but I didn't, so I had to ask, and he proudly replied (with noooooooo irony), ""oh, yeah, it's fine, he's still a Republican." I couldn't but laugh.

 

Today we had a four hour car ride between factory towns and we talked about everything from global warming to wind and solar energy to the Flint water crisis to the trade war and so forth. I'd say he disagreed with me on about 75% of the issues, but the man disagreed from a standpoint I would call sane, well-read, well-thought-out, and conservative. I was not convinced by everything he said, but I definitely learned things, and I very much respect him for having given the thought to these things that he has and indeed applied himself in his life to try and make some positive changes to people's lives using the considerable amount of money he has. 

 

I'm never going to see eye-to-eye with this guy, and due to the asymmetry that exists in a relationship where he signs my much-needed paycheck, I'm never gonna even get a chance to present counterpoints to most of his points (though, two years ago when Trump first got started, I did once interrupt him and say that I thought the "give the guy a chance" line was more or less some bullshit--the man's 70s, he's been had his chance to not be a scumbag). That said, we can get along just fine, because we more or less subscribe to the same basic social contract that we need to live in a world where mass hysteria and the violence that can come with it will not take hold.

 

Despite the fact that, as I said, I don't know how what we see now lines up with pre-WWII Germany, I do not think that Trump subscribes to this social contract. He might not actually be planning to try and push the US into the throes of something like we've seen in the bloodbaths of the 20th century... but he's fucking crazy and well-liked enough that he might end up doing so by accident. 

 

Avoiding anything that beats the drum for the march in that direction is how I interpreted "enough right-wing bullshit." Somebody wants to talk to me about the virtues of Bob Dole or even Mitt Romney without invoking flat earth and the Annunaki, hell, I'll hear him or her out. But somebody wants to tell me that the red faced, racist, molesting, Velveeta-drinking real estate hustler is involved in a battle against the deep state to save us all from "the swamp" while engaging in the Velveeta drinker's own brand of bullying... well... fuck that. 

Edited August 9, 2019 by Walker

[s1va]

15 minutes ago, sean said:

Please don't hijack the word diverse to include people with regressive, intolerant politics. Spend time with your bigoted friends and family in the real world. Love them. Talk to them. Hold them accountable. Help them evolve. Just don't invite them to this one weird Daoish forum on the internet run by a literal communist. Que sera.

 

Sean

 

You seem to have a distinction between real world and the forums based on this and other posts.  To me, this is as real as my daily life and a part of it.  The friends I have here are real people that I know.  Many of them are kind and good hearted, you can label them bigots.  But, I am not sure on what basis you classify them as bigots without knowing who they are and what their beliefs are!

 

Your post seems to imply the person you are interacting with are tolerant to racism, homophobia, etc.  Not sure if this is a diversionary tactic to avoid addressing the real points brought up in my post.  I am not tolerant towards any of these and as far as I know none of my friends are.  In my experience, right wing or right leaning views does not automatically equate to racism or homophobia automatically.

 

I have come across racists, misogynists and bigots with both left and right leaning views.

[ilumairen]

Do I get to say I'm sick to death of pretend reasonableness - especially when used as a manipulation tactic?

[sean]

47 minutes ago, s1va said:

Your post seems to imply the person you are interacting with are tolerant to racism, homophobia, etc.  Not sure if this is a diversionary tactic to avoid addressing the real points brought up in my post.  I am not tolerant towards any of these and as far as I know none of my friends are.  In my experience, right wing or right leaning views does not automatically equate to racism or homophobia automatically.

 

I think you were demonstrably tolerant of exactly such, even by your own admission. And I think this was actually my fault, because of my own bad, "apolitical" policies. Hence this topic.

 

Sorry but right-wingers are pretty reliably bigoted if you keep scratching. 😬 As important, they're also ideologically classist and anti-poor. These are not just "like, my opinions, man". As many have articulated in this very topic, these antisocial beliefs map to real policies and physical institutions that effect horrific material consequences upon actual people's lives and deaths even right now, as I type this. Liberals aren't even much better by the way. If I was really going full super saiyan I'd have drawn the line further left, so please consider this an attempt at compassionate compromise, amigo.

 

🙏

 

Sean

 

[Earl Grey]

Yes, as Sean says, the apolitical stance can be dangerous--it's the equivalent of not caring as long as it doesn't affect you, until they come knocking on your door. 

 

I'll quote something my uncle used to tell me: "Stand for something or fall for everything". 

[s1va]

4 minutes ago, sean said:

 

I think you were demonstrably tolerant of exactly such, even by your own admission. And I think this was actually my fault, because of my own bad, "apolitical" policies. Hence this topic.

 

 

There were lenient policies, but it is unfair to state blanketly that racism, homophobia, etc. were demonstrably tolerated under previous admin's watch or call it your fault as you stated.  I would just leave it at that.

 

Certain members are also conveniently justifying their present actions of being rude, sarcastic and directly insulting others by simply blaming the past staff or some past events stating I went through this or put up with that.  I noticed this happening in different areas of the site as a trend and feel it is just unhealthy.  Though you are not responsible for this, it should be checked like any other unacceptable actions.  It is just like when a ruler changes, some people settle their personal scores or spew venom and hatred towards those they dislike causing harm, and they go on to justify their actions by citing the atrocities that happened in the past, or they are part of some revolutionary movement that is changing everything.

 

I think Rene summed it up really well and was just expressing that and welcoming her back in a brief post.  Amazing how that one small post could upset so many here and get hostile disrespectful reactions, name calling and insults.   I see no point in continuing this dialog further under such unhealthy environment. 

 

I wish you and this site the best going forward.  

 

[ilumairen]

 

4 minutes ago, s1va said:

Certain members are also conveniently justifying their present actions of being rude, sarcastic and directly insulting others by simply blaming the past staff or some past events stating I went through this or put up with that.  I noticed this happening in different areas of the site as a trend and feel it is just unhealthy. 

 

Yep, back to the "sit down and shut up, we don't care what you've experienced; you're being rude to us now, and this is soo unhealthy."

 

"Please do go back to repressing and ignoring.. it was soo much more pleasant [for us]."

 

4 minutes ago, s1va said:

 

Though you are not responsible for this, it should be checked like any other unacceptable actions.  It is just like when a ruler changes, some people settle their personal scores or spew venom and hatred towards those they dislike causing harm, and they go on to justify their actions by citing the atrocities that happened in the past, or they are part of some revolutionary movement that is changing everything.

 

I think Rene summed it up really well and was just expressing that and welcoming her back in a brief post.  Amazing how that one small post could upset so many here and get hostile disrespectful reactions, name calling and insults.   I see no point in continuing this dialog further under such unhealthy environment. 

 

I wish you and this site the best going forward.  

 

 

And no where in your lengthy post did you take any personal responsibility - while you keep coercing others from your pulpit of "respect" to do the very thing you refuse to do...

[ralis]

50 minutes ago, s1va said:

 

There were lenient policies, but it is unfair to state blanketly that racism, homophobia, etc. were demonstrably tolerated under previous admin's watch or call it your fault as you stated.  I would just leave it at that.

 

Certain members are also conveniently justifying their present actions of being rude, sarcastic and directly insulting others by simply blaming the past staff or some past events stating I went through this or put up with that.  I noticed this happening in different areas of the site as a trend and feel it is just unhealthy.  Though you are not responsible for this, it should be checked like any other unacceptable actions.  It is just like when a ruler changes, some people settle their personal scores or spew venom and hatred towards those they dislike causing harm, and they go on to justify their actions by citing the atrocities that happened in the past, or they are part of some revolutionary movement that is changing everything.

 

I think Rene summed it up really well and was just expressing that and welcoming her back in a brief post.  Amazing how that one small post could upset so many here and get hostile disrespectful reactions, name calling and insults.   I see no point in continuing this dialog further under such unhealthy environment. 

 

I wish you and this site the best going forward.  

 

 

If the mods didn't issue warnings, impose suspensions or bans, then there is no excuse for turning a blind eye! Furthermore, that includes reports! Moreover, I was told by the mods that if only one person reported, that would not be sufficient cause. 

 

One more point is that rules are posted here and to me the forum rules are very clear! 

[ralis]

3 hours ago, ilumairen said:

 

Shit ralis [pardon the language, I've tipped into angry] I don't even know if you'd believe what I've had to ignore here.. 

 

Actually I can believe it! A number of women have left this site over the years due to rampant sexism/misogyny. All my reports fell on deaf ears.

[ralis]

@zanshin

 

You think it’s funny that women have left due to male harassment? I find no humor in it!

 

 

[zanshin]

2 minutes ago, ralis said:

@zanshin

 

You think it’s funny that women have left due to male harassment? I find no humor in it!

 

 

Just ironic for myself only, I find the prevalent white knight mentality super annoying and definitely part of why I no longer post. I’m sure you understand women’s issues much better than I though. 

[ilumairen]

1 hour ago, zanshin said:

Just ironic for myself only, I find the prevalent white knight mentality super annoying and definitely part of why I no longer post. I’m sure you understand women’s issues much better than I though. 

 

Did you see the "Men Explain Things To Me" thread? It went to fertilizer rather quickly, but it was an interesting and nuanced article imo with much we could have delved more deeply into..

 

In any case, it's nice to "see" you. 

[liminal_luke]

On 9/8/2019 at 10:44 AM, sean said:

 

Sorry but right-wingers are pretty reliably bigoted if you keep scratching. 😬 

 

I mostly think along these lines too although some conversations here have led me to believe that this isn´t always true.  Perhaps I´m just not a very thorough scratcher?

[ilumairen]

Shhh

Edited August 11, 2019 by ilumairen

[C T]

Here's a somewhat extreme but also in some parts sensible rant of how America is under siege from within. 

Its not a pleasant read, so discretion advised. 

Spoiler

 

What has really been extremely eye-opening for people these last two and half years is discovering that Hillary's a 'basket full of deplorables' was being a bit too kind because Republicans are so much worse than anyone realized, except me and many others who grew up around the evangelicals who worship the Orange Menace.

 

From my own first-hand experience, I have known evangelicals to be the most hypocritical. Everything they believed in was 'do as I say, not as I do.' They were always so quick to mention how the only thing god hates is hypocrites as they themselves were oblivious to their own hypocrisy. 'Love the sinner, hate the sin' is something they love to repeat but they don't love their gay kids for instance. They hate the sin more. They hate everything more.

 

It didn't matter how many times Obama posted his birth certificate, he wasn't American to them because facts don't matter, not anymore. That's what happens when you tolerate lies to a degree which resembles a cultish disregard for truth and elect a creature like Trump. He's doing more damage to Americans than anyone can fully grasp because every single day is a new outrage and that's the point. He has to inoculate us from the horrible things he does every single day from the even worse things he is doing.

Yesterday, China made an announcement that took me a moment to fully appreciate in response to Trump's new tariffs; China has cancelled all orders for agricultural products from the US. I am not fluent as to the total amount of agricultural products China bought but I do know that before Trump started this 'easy-to-win' trade war with China, American farmers sold $26-27 billion in soybeans alone to China.

 

China, one of the largest markets in the world, cancelled all orders, full stop. This is next level of true horribleness for not just soy farmers but wheat farmers too. Now take a wild guess who the Chinese are buying their wheat from now? Russia. Russia is also picking up the soy market Trump has destroyed with his idiotic trade ware. Putin's interference in our elections is doing famously well now that they helped elect Trump by funneling $30 million through the NRA to help elect him.

 

Republicans are not even trying to conceal the fact that we the people are now paying American farmers less money than they would have made selling their products to China but what is even worse is the recklessness of the Trump tax cut which has drained the treasury of over a trillion dollars a year which is forcing us to borrow money from China to pay our farmers not to sell their produce to the Chinese when they were making a tidy profit selling their products under Obama.

 

The last time Republicans elected a 'businessman' to run our government, he was a half-witted semi-literate Texan who went broke because he couldn't find oil, IN TEXAS! Now Republicans think it's great to raise taxes on Americans and hand over tens of billions of dollars to Russia because they refuse to tell Trump that trade wars have never been won even once in history and they steadfastly refuse to tell this fat ignoramus that *WE* pay the tariffs, not China.

 

This is a photograph taken of the child whose parents were murdered the day before by a racist inspired by Donald Trump's hate speech and there he is, giving a thumbs up while Melanoma holds a child orphaned because of her husband! The oblivious daftness of these two humanoid imposters is on a level never witnessed in all of human history.

 

The Republican party must be destroyed at any cost. They are a crazed and reckless hate-group who have done more damage to our nation than all the tyrants in our storied history. The human race is their enemy and we must make them ours. The White House put out a statement saying, 'the president was treated like a rock star in El Paso.' Twenty-two people were murdered in cold blood by a man inspired to violence by the president. Their blood is on his hands alone and there he is giving a thumbs up with a child he is responsible for orphaning.

 

I am ashamed of being an American right now. I am ashamed my countryman thought that putting a ratfucking traitor in the White House was a good idea because they believe anything they see on Trump TV.

 

There's a cancer on America and it's growing. It's called Republicanism and it will kill this country if the adults don't do something about the infestation of Republican voters. ~

 

~ by someone who calls himself Thomas Clay Jr reacting to that pic of a grinning Trump and Melania holding a toddler whose parents were killed in the shootings.