Sumer: the "black-headed" vs. the "red-faced"

[Nungali]

6 hours ago, Apech said:

 

 

Not much because they are as you point out not very Egyptian and possibly Sumerian - the circular space between the necks is where the malachite was ground and mixed to make eye make up.  Green was the colour of health, wholeness and soundness - so green eye make-up was good.

 

I had to look up 'huaraches' - I'd never heard of them

 

There's another fringe theory about the ankh - that is a cross section of a bovine vertebrae.

 

 

 

 

Here is another theory   ;

 

African fertility doll, ' Aken' .

 

 

 

 

 

Being a fertility symbol it goes will with the 'life' interpretation  (and maybe even 'power' - for a ' matriarchal era '  society ) .

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

PS.  malachite is toxic  especially when ground up .  The eye lids are very sensitive .  All one has to do is gently wipe the eye lid with a finger after chopping chilli - even after a good had wash .

 

I cant imagine what the long term usage  effects would be though       

[Taomeow]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

PS.  malachite is toxic  especially when ground up .  The eye lids are very sensitive .  All one has to do is gently wipe the eye lid with a finger after chopping chilli - even after a good had wash .

 

I cant imagine what the long term usage  effects would be though       

 

I thought they were using lapis lasuli.  It's supposed to improve one's eyesight.

 

As for fertility symbol...  also possible, I have seldom come across a symbol that stands for just one thing without hiding another which may be hiding another -- many are Russian dolls.  That's why I asked you about the Starbucks' logo.  You could have said "It stands for Starbucks coffee," and wouldn't be wrong.  

[Apech]

4 hours ago, Nungali said:

PS.  malachite is toxic  especially when ground up .  The eye lids are very sensitive .  All one has to do is gently wipe the eye lid with a finger after chopping chilli - even after a good had wash .

 

I cant imagine what the long term usage  effects would be though       

 

 

Indeed and it gets worse they used galena as well:

 

 

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Galena eye paint (later termed Kohl in Arabic from the Akkadian word for the cosmetic) was widely applied in Ancient Egypt. Upper eyelids were painted black and lower ones were colored green, as depicted in ancient texts that describe the use of both black galena and green malachite. Ancient graves from the pre-historic Tasian culture point to the early application of galena in Egypt, a custom stretching from the Badarian period through to the Coptic era. Although found locally, both black galena and green malachite were also imported from nearby regions in Western Asia, Coptos and the Land of Punt.^[5]

 

[welkin]

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Edited December 3, 2019 by welkin

[welkin]

On 11/30/2019 at 8:35 AM, ilumairen said:

 

This certainly seems the intent of the story.. scare young men, and damn the women willing to embrace them. A cautionary literary device to be sure. 

 

Edit to add: Why is the "fall of man" (singular or otherwise) so often attributed to women?

 

Origin story of christianity,

similar to sumerian myth

Spoken about in Japanese folklore, specifically Takeminakata and in some stories relating to amaterasu

the list goes on

 

Not to mention that story seems to flip between man and woman depending on time period and who wrote it.

 

From the many stories it really doesn't seem like these ideas were created through natural evolution. There always seems to be a deity or an advanced group of people, involved with the creating of these stories.  So it's difficult to say whether any of the perspectives, ideas, or opinions are natural occuring ones, or ficticious stories to keep our minds enslaved.

 

[Apech]

 

[Nungali]

13 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

I thought they were using lapis lasuli.  It's supposed to improve one's eyesight.

 

As for fertility symbol...  also possible, I have seldom come across a symbol that stands for just one thing without hiding another which may be hiding another -- many are Russian dolls.  That's why I asked you about the Starbucks' logo.  You could have said "It stands for Starbucks coffee," and wouldn't be wrong.  

 

I still maintain a mermaid cannot stand for anything . 

 

 

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Apech said:

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.amsmeteors.org/2019/01/ancient-petroglyphs-suggests-that-a-meteor-has-been-observed-in-ancient-times-in-morocco/

 

 

 

[Taomeow]

52 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

I still maintain a mermaid cannot stand for anything . 

 

 

 

Only if she has just one tail.  This one has two.  Melusine could stand just fine, but once a week she had to take a bath and stretch out her tails.  At some point she was spied on, and that's how they found out.

[Nungali]

Mmmmokay .

 

I just remembered that dolphins can do it too 

 

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Everything]

11 minutes ago, Nungali said:

Mmmmokay .

 

I just remembered that dolphins can do it too 

 

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is difficult to be an escort of so many, don't you think? 

[Nungali]

1 minute ago, Everything said:

It is difficult to be an escort of so many, don't you think? 

 

 

I think you need to piss off out of this thread .

 

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I was going to bring this up before, now seems like a good time .

 

Regarding early  human societies habitations , a while back I looked into the Arctic . I was conversing with an Indian chap about the book 'Arctic Home of the Vedas'. I was surprised to see that people lived so far north, so long ago .

 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328464-900-siberia-was-a-wildlife-refuge-in-the-last-ice-age/

 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28774-humans-adapted-to-arctic-life-10000-years-earlier-than-thought/

 

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/these-ice-age-humans-somehow-survived-north-of-the-arctic-circle

 

Most of these ^ go back to the Ice Age but before that, during the  Eemian Interglacial  some human groups spread into areas WAY before the ice age , but it is said that these lines of people died out ; Morocco ,  Arabia, and near the Arctic Circle in Siberia .

[Everything]

7 minutes ago, Nungali said:

I think you need to piss off out of this thread .

Ok, bye. 

[Taomeow]

To the castle!  To the point!

 

Napta, the Sumerians called petroleum.  Versions of this word still mean "petroleum" in many European and Asian languages.  It is the second most abundant liquid on Earth.  Petroleum has been used since at least 6000 years ago -- though until the 19th century, seldom as fuel.  That's one thing we can't blame the early civilizations for.  It was explored and employed when needed -- but it was too stinky and messy to burn for energy (with a noteworthy exception of 2000 years ago when the Chinese used oil and natural gas for heat and light.  They used bamboo pipes for carrying gas into homes.) 

 

In Mesopotamia, bitumen and asphalt were used as caulking for ships, a setting for jewelry and mosaics, and an adhesive for weapon handles.  Egyptians used it for embalming.  There's references to bitumen being used for Moses' basket and Noah's Ark. 

 

Native Americans used asphaltum much the same way -- to waterpoof stuff and make it airtight.  They also used it medicinally, and the Seneca who traded it also employed it in body paint and for ceremonial fires.  European settlers, until the late 19th century, used to be bitterly disappointed if they dug a well to find water and struck oil instead.  But then someone who probably had an olfactory disability invented the kerosene lamp.  The year was 1854.  And that's when the modernmost history commences in earnest.   

Edited December 4, 2019 by Taomeow

[Walker]

On 11/30/2019 at 4:29 AM, Taomeow said:

A prayer:

 

May all topic derailers and thread hijackers taste their own medicine in real life.  May they be sidetracked by whoever they talk to into discussing anything but what they want to talk about.  May their explicit pleas to stick to the subject be always ignored.  May they always be dragged kicking and screaming into someone else's agenda.  May they stand no chance to follow through on any interest of theirs due to someone else just lying in wait to pounce on that and pound it into the ground as soon as they express it.  May everyone around them be always on the lookout to prevent any chance of their learning, comprehending, sharing, mulling over, or otherwise addressing any subject of their choice.  May they be dumped all manner of garbage upon as soon as they appear anywhere, may they become walking talking garbage dumpsters.  May they sag under the load and crawl aimlessly in a stupor of indifference and apathy.  What's the point of anything if there's no way for them to ever stick to the point?..     

 

Amen.  

 

Amen. 

[Taomeow]

48 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Regarding early  human societies habitations , a while back I looked into the Arctic

 

We'll get there in due time I hope.  I've been listening to a paleontologist/biologist (just yesterday, after a couple of exceedingly bright people I know kept bringing up his name) who took a bit over an hour to explain climate on Earth in a way that made my heart sing -- as fractals, large cogwheels (turning with the periodicity of tens of millions of years) and then smaller ones (millions) and smaller (hundreds of thousands) and then smaller still ( tens of thousands) and smaller (thousands) and smaller (within a thousand) and smaller...  all the way down to that one spike on the tiny cog we're presently riding...  but don't let me go there yet (or ever), the reason I brought it up is, I now understand how climate on planet Earth really works -- perhaps for the fist time -- so "far North and "far South" don't really mean what we expect them to mean when the bigger cogs turn...  I don't know if there's an English version for this dude, will try to find it.  (A blitz search yielded only a short bio:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirill_Eskov )

Edited December 4, 2019 by Taomeow

[Nungali]

I heard a very ancient   Aboriginal woman describe , with great difficulty due to English being used , a similar weather process.  Eventually I got her .  'Like orbital gears  ? '  but she didnt know what that was.  Like the Mayan calendar ? Nope, she didnt know that either. So I drew  a simple pic of orbital gears in the dirt with a stick , I put some marks on some of the wheels ' Sometimes, these all line up together ? '

 

She got that, "Yes  sometimes , REALLY big drought or rain , lot of heat or cold ."  Then she added " I only know about  6 of these  inside each other , old people taught me , they got heaps more , all inside each other , turning .  Now, we lost a lot of that . "

[Taomeow]

Yup, we lost the knowledge.  Not just ancient knowledge at that.  Here and now, I've witnessed the disappearance of scientific (but not politicized/monetized yet, hence not molested into unrecognizability) knowledge that was available to me in the 7th grade, for crying out loud.  Googling it today is simply shocking.  Nada.  You can read this or that "everybody knows" corroborated by the sacred mantra "a gazillion studies confirm and a quadrillion scientists all agree" -- but you can't ever be dealt all the cards you would need to assemble your own solitaire, and neither is any single one of those gazillion scientists or a group of them or a group of groups of them of any size and any credentials.  Because one of them or all of them, it's still a cog inside a larger cog, and they can't move in any direction not dictated by the larger cog.  And the larger cog is not even the largest.  And the largest is always out of sight.  

  

Verily, he who controls information controls the world.

 

[Taomeow]

More a propos those gears.

  

Here's a machine a guy named Arthur Ganson, a kinetic sculptor, saw in a dream and then created.  (My god, what a profound dream!  And what great reward for a creative mind to be attached to a pair of skillful hands equipped to actually make a visionary dream transition into material reality -- and tangibly illustrate a deep truth!  In this case, the shocking magnitude and unforeseen implications of exponential powers.)  

 

Each worm/worm gear pair reduces the speed of the motor by 1/50th. Since there are 12 pairs of gears, the final speed reduction is calculated by (1/50)12. The implications are monumental.  With the motor turning around 200 revolutions per minute, it will take well over two trillion years before the final gear makes but one turn.  So it is possible to do anything at all with the final gear, even embed it in concrete.  It is, for all practical purposes, never going to move even though it is connected to a 200 rpm motor. 

 

Once the prerequisite of exponential powers is set in motion, you can never affect the outcome.  Not in two trillion years.  

 

 

 

 

[silent thunder]

6 hours ago, Taomeow said:

More a propos those gears.

  

Here's a machine a guy named Arthur Ganson, a kinetic sculptor, saw in a dream and then created.  (My god, what a profound dream!  And what great reward for a creative mind to be attached to a pair of skillful hands equipped to actually make a visionary dream transition into material reality -- and tangibly illustrate a deep truth!  In this case, the shocking magnitude and unforeseen implications of exponential powers.)  

 

Each worm/worm gear pair reduces the speed of the motor by 1/50th. Since there are 12 pairs of gears, the final speed reduction is calculated by (1/50)12. The implications are monumental.  With the motor turning around 200 revolutions per minute, it will take well over two trillion years before the final gear makes but one turn.  So it is possible to do anything at all with the final gear, even embed it in concrete.  It is, for all practical purposes, never going to move even though it is connected to a 200 rpm motor. 

 

Once the prerequisite of exponential powers is set in motion, you can never affect the outcome.  Not in two trillion years.  

 

 

 

 

Wow... what a dream indeed!

 

The implications of this machine... utterly stunning!  Particularly when seen as a metaphor for human assumptions, dogma and systemic thinking divorced from presence, attentive interactive awareness and intuition. 

 

I can't seem to escape the 'truth by consensus' dogma which to me is little more than 'mental mob violence' that litters our mental landscape and disquises itself and is presented as 'unquestionable truths' due to the shear number of folks repeating it, no matter how mindlessly... the rule of truth by repitition and consensus is mental violence to me, and no matter where I turn it seems lately... I encounter it.

 

And the process of attempting to weed it out or induce malleability of it in my own mental process has been decidedly unpleasant, almost unchangeable in some aspects, (like that final gear) yet I am compelled to press on, for the other option is untenable.

 

The implications of that final gear, the horrifying and clearly exemplified notion of 'all this business of work work work and what does it accomplish?  Work for the sake of work work work, because that's the consensus reinforced in nearly every aspect of human 'civilized' dogmatic thinking.  Concrete or no concrete, that final gear represents a manner of interacting with the world through senses and mentation that is beyond change...  horrifying stuff to this intrepid explorer...  demoralizing to think this is the progression and structure of our collective minds.

 

And it poignantly re-minds me of one of my biggest fears over what assumptions lie beneath the threshold of my awareness... these are the most terrifying for me lately.  These are the implication of the final gear, connected to the rest of life, connected to the bustle and ceaseless pursuits and business of life, yet effectively utterly unmoved by any practical application.

 

Stunning and horrifying.  Thanks for sharing Taomeow... this one really rang the bell.

 

[Nungali]

External and internal gears of the Mayan calendar 

 

 

 

 

The 'Weather Calendar'   has many more wheels .

[Nungali]

 

 

I know what this is !

 

Its a work / holiday clock .   The left end measures the time when you are on holidays and the right end measures the time while you at your work.

[gendao]

6 hours ago, Nungali said:

I know what this is !

 

Its a work / holiday clock .   The left end measures the time when you are on holidays and the right end measures the time while you at your work.

I thought this was "The Wheels of Justice," "Every Vote Counts In An Electoral Oligarchy!," "Government Efficiency," "Facts Vs Trump," etc...?

[Taomeow]

18 hours ago, gendao said:

I thought this was "The Wheels of Justice," "Every Vote Counts In An Electoral Oligarchy!," "Government Efficiency," "Facts Vs Trump," etc...?

 

It's a very versatile machine.  It may illustrate many things.  E.g. it reminds me of the experience of talking to people whose POV is embedded in cement.