Sumer: the "black-headed" vs. the "red-faced"

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7 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

He appeared to have left the room so I was yelling so he can hear me.   Anyway, I think he is gone now  ? 

 

 

The Engine Room, did you see the Golden eye?

[Taomeow]

10 hours ago, mark said:

 

Out of curiosity what herbs/tinctures are you currently forging?

 

Cinchona, scutellaria, Siberian ginseng, panax ginseng, artemisia, sage, mint.  Waiting on a shipment of rhodiola root and planning to gather some stinging nettles today.    

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2 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

Cinchona, scutellaria, Siberian ginseng, panax ginseng, artemisia, sage, mint.  Waiting on a shipment of rhodiola root and planning to gather some stinging nettles today.    

 

Nice, rise of the phoenix?

[Taomeow]

4 minutes ago, mark said:

 

Nice, rise of the phoenix?

 

No, of the pandemic.  

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6 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

 

No, of the pandemic.  

 

Ah, so thats why the starlings were dying

 

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As Above so Below.

[Taomeow]

4 minutes ago, mark said:

 

Ah, so thats why the starlings were dying

 

 

I don't know about the starlings.  People in charge of our world do many things to cause many creatures to die, every day.  I can't keep up with all of them at once.  Presently I'm here:

 

 

And now I think we need to go back to the subject of this thread if nobody minds.    

[Taomeow]

And here's the latest scientific analysis corroborating my opinion that deforestation, which is synonymous with civilization, is the necessary and sufficient cause of our impending doom.   No other factors can undo what this one has done.    

 

"We conclude from a statistical point of view that the probability that our civilisation survives itself is less than 10% in the most optimistic scenario."

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-63657-6

 

 

 

 

 

 

[KuroShiro]

On 4/14/2020 at 3:03 AM, Taomeow said:

The thalamus is the center for processing sensory information and for pain perception.  

 

 

 

 

 

PAIN

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On 8/31/2019 at 6:10 PM, Taomeow said:

 

Yes, this has always interested me too -- do we take those depictions literally, i.e. did they really look like that in the world, or was this a depiction of their deeper nature...  spirit, psychological portrait, knowledge of origins...  genetic insight...  genetic manipulation?  Or something quite beyond that...  an ability to manipulate flesh at will, and not just in shamanic or early taoist realms where they routinely turn into not only animals but forces of nature and even forces beyond nature -- like in that Zhuangzi story where a shaman ran in fear from a taoist master who showed himself to him as the void -- the shaman could see his true nature and it freaked him out?      

 

That pine cone, which is also a big deal in the Vatican -- what's that about?  Someone did something to our pineal gland?  And two and a half thousand years of worshipping a creator dragon-god, Marduk, later simply referred to as the Lord -- modern monotheists still continue to call their god that though they forgot he was once just the leader of the pack, and a dragon at that -- what's a dragon, it's not any one animal, it's a composite of many, the ultimate heterochimera.  Where did they come from -- did nature create them, or nurture?  And what did they want with us?  

 

 

 

Interested in hearing more about the heterochimera if you have time

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On 2/26/2020 at 3:43 AM, Nungali said:

I think the imposition of death from the Gods is a farce .   Look at nature , what is immortal , look at humans , they are a part of nature , so why should they be immune to death ?

 

Besides, the 'Gods' are immortal because they are not 'life'  they are  concepts, ideas  and forces , not having mortality.  

 

 

 

Memory is all

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On 1/29/2020 at 12:30 AM, Nungali said:

 

Minoan water supply pipes (terracotta pipe sections): (a) overview, and (b) with real dimensions (From reference 5). Water supply in the Palace was provided through a network of terracotta piping located beneath the Palace floors. The pipes were constructed in sections of about 60 to 75 cm each.  

 

Do you remember constructing these?

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On 8/31/2019 at 6:10 PM, Taomeow said:

 what's a dragon, it's not any one animal, it's a composite of many, the ultimate heterochimera.  Where did they come from -- did nature create them, or nurture?  And what did they want with us?  

 

 

 

 

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It would seem heterochimera are shape-shifters? Can anyone verify

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"Neo-Sumeria"

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On 4/1/2020 at 12:28 AM, Taomeow said:

so bats inhabiting this or that biohazardous lab would never guess that they are something novel.  Yet they are.  Incessant novelty (which we taoists call "restless/confused/entangled qi," the outcome of harmony-destroying pathological processes, whether in the body or in society) is also a built-in feature of civilization.   

 

And now back to our regular broadcast.  

 

Do you have info about genetic slicing of animals and vaccination?

[Taomeow]

An excerpt from an article by Yves Smith 

 

The Act of God stipulation originated (...) in the Laws of Hammurabi c. 1750 BC. The problem that the Babylonians had to deal with was what to do when there is a flood, a drought, warfare or a pandemic. What should be the rules when, suddenly out of nowhere, cultivators and the citizenry on the land are rendered unable to grow and harvest crops, out of which to pay the debts that they have run up during the year and are falling due. They owe the taxes, sharecropping or other rent that could not be paid.

Hammurabi was quite specific about how to handle this situation. Paragraph 48 of his Laws said that there would be a debt and a tax amnesty when the weather god, Adad, created a flood or otherwise prevented debts and other obligations from being paid. If the storm god floods the lands, the debts and rents don’t have to be paid. A fresh start was made under conditions of balance for the next crop season.

 

The basic problem was similar to that today: How does a society restore continuity and save itself from disruption creating a permanent loss and distortion of existing wealth and income relationships? What Hammurabi and every other Babylonian, Sumerian ruler and other Near Eastern rulers did between about 2,500 BC and the 1st century BC was to proclaim amnesties in such circumstances. If they hadn’t done that, cultivators would not have been able to pay their creditors and they would have fallen into bondage. They would have owed their labour and crops to their creditors.

 

This would have caused a serious fiscal problem for rulers. If victims of a crop failure or other economic interruption had to pay their creditors with their labour and crop surplus, this labor and crop tax wouldn’t be available to pay the palace its normal claims for taxes and corvée labour duties to build infrastructure or even serve in the army. Social balance and continuity would have been destroyed – from within. So when Hammurabi and every ruler of his dynasty proclaimed a clean slate cancelling the debts and rent arrears that had mounted up unpaid, proclaiming a return to the normal situation prevented a creditor oligarchy from emerging and seeking its own interest as distinct from that of the palace.

 

All this changed in Roman times. Classical antiquity protected the financial and rentier elites. Cicero and the other Roman leaders said that all the debts had to be paid, even (or indeed, precisely because!) this led to the enslavement of poorer Romans and Greeks. Rome’s creditor oligarchy used every crisis as an opportunity to grab the land of the smallholders, to force the population into bondage and to get control of their land.

 

We’re seeing the same basic dynamic occur throughout the post-Roman Western world. Creditors are now already planning to buy up distressed real estate from landlords that default as their rents are not paid. There is going to be a huge bankruptcy sale. Large private capital funds have already announced their intention to begin buying out the retail stores that have gone bankrupt, along with their real estate.

 

Individuals who are unable to pay their debts, workers who’ve been laid off, are told to borrow from their pension funds or social security accounts. That means that they won’t be receiving the retirement income they need to live. Likewise, the states and the cities that Jeffrey Sachs mentioned also are facing a debt crisis with their bondholders. Mitch McConnell, the Republican Senate head, said that Democratic states like New York, New Jersey and California should cover their shortfall by taking the pension funds that they’ve set up for public employees. The financial sector’s intention is to use this crisis to wipe out the pension funds and transfer the savings of the wage-earners to pay bondholders and other creditors. The promises that state and local governments made for pension in exchange for not asking for higher wages are to be wiped out.

 

The debts that have been built up are being used as a financial warfare tactic. It is more efficient than military warfare. Debt has been used to strip away the assets of middle-class people, of home owners, of employee pension funds, to suck their savings and property up to the top of the economic pyramid. The pandemic crisis has created a battlefield. Its rules have been written by the financial sector and their lobbyists as an opportunity for the largest property and financial grab since the Great Depression.

The result will be that much of the American and European economies are going to end up looking like the Greek economy five years ago, when it was unable to pay its euro-debts. You can look at Greece as the future of the United States, catalysed by the coronavirus pandemic.

[Taomeow]

The Antonine Plague, aka the Plague of Galen

 

From the wiki article on Marcus Aurelius:

 

A possible contact with Han China occurred in 166 when a Roman traveller visited the Han court, claiming to be an ambassador representing a certain Andun (Chinese: 安 敦), ruler of Daqin, who can be identified either with Marcus or his predecessor Antoninus.^{[276][277][278]} In addition to Republican-era Roman glasswares found at Guangzhou along the South China Sea,^[279] Roman golden medallions made during the reign of Antoninus and perhaps even Marcus have been found at Óc Eo, Vietnam, then part of the Kingdom of Funan near the Chinese province of Jiaozhi (in northern Vietnam). This may have been the port city of Kattigara, described by Ptolemy (c. 150) as being visited by a Greek sailor named Alexander and lying beyond the Golden Chersonese (i.e. Malay Peninsula).^{[280][note 17]} Roman coins from the reigns of Tiberius to Aurelian have been found in Xi'an, China (site of the Han capital Chang'an), although the far greater amount of Roman coins in India suggests the Roman maritime trade for purchasing Chinese silk was centred there, not in China or even the overland Silk Road running through Persia.^[281]

 

The Antonine Plague started in Mesopotamia in 165 or 166 at the end of Lucius' campaign against the Parthians. It may have continued into the reign of Commodus. Galen, who was in Rome when the plague spread to the city in 166,^[282] mentioned that 'fever, diarrhoea, and inflammation of the pharynx, along with dry or pustular eruptions of the skin after nine days' were among the symptoms.^[283]It is believed that the plague was smallpox.^[284] In the view of historian Rafe de Crespigny, the plagues afflicting the Eastern Han empire of China during the reigns of Emperor Huan of Han (r. 146–168) and Emperor Ling of Han (r. 168–189), which struck in 151, 161, 171, 173, 179, 182, and 185, were perhaps connected to the plague in Rome.^[285] Raoul McLaughlin writes that the travel of Roman subjects to the Han Chinese court in 166 may have started a new era of Roman–Far East trade. However, it was also a 'harbinger of something much more ominous'. According to McLaughlin, the disease caused 'irreparable' damage to the Roman maritime trade in the Indian Ocean as proven by the archaeological record spanning from Egypt to India, as well as significantly decreased Roman commercial activity in Southeast Asia.^[286]

[Taomeow]

Baal-shar-uzur

(Baltasar)

"God save the king"

 

 

 

 

 

[Taomeow]

Open Sesame!  Shazam!  

 

šamaššammi (šamnu — oil, pressed oil + šammu — plant, grass) — sesame

 

 

[Taomeow]

"The Code of Hammurabi," a 1950 painting by Robert Thom from his History of Medicine series.  A doctor defends himself against complaints of a patient who claims some iatrogenic condition.  

If a patient's injury was determined to be the doctor's fault, the doctor had to pay damages.    

 

[KuroShiro]

 

[Nungali]

slowly working my way through this  ^ watching bits when I can . Its rather well presented and watchable   

 

Right at the beginning of 'civilisation' - class distinction, poor people being oppressed, slavery, debt with high interest being hard to pay off .

 

  -   No civilisation without tyranny .

 

[old3bob]

just dropped into this thread, and wow tons of information here!

 

Btw. if we are going back in time can we also add the legends of the Lemurians mentioned in visions?

 

 

[Taomeow]

4 hours ago, old3bob said:

just dropped into this thread, and wow tons of information here!

 

Btw. if we are going back in time can we also add the legends of the Lemurians mentioned in visions?

 

 

 

Yes -- I didn't know there's visions, I do know there's stories and some circumstantial evidence.  I've read a couple of books on Lemuria, including the original 1926 one, by James Churchward -- "The Lost Continent of Mu."