Sumer: the "black-headed" vs. the "red-faced"

[Nungali]

Here is another thing it might stand for

 

Each side is a triangle .... and there are 4 of them , and they all meet in one point .

 

Its my 'law of manifestation' expressed by 3:4 again       .

 

At risk of being sent to the re- education camp ;   in some ways 'the people'  like ( the finished product) of large collective  back breaking enterprises .... they like working together and achieving things, it gives their 'sense of identity'  a confidence boost .  There is a solemn  acknowledgement for those 'sacrificed' in the process, maybe a plaque (in modern times) but that is a side acknowledgement  ;   everything from a 'group 'HO ! ' all the way through to  the SMS ;

 

 

 

 

[Taomeow]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

Here is another thing it might stand for

 

Each side is a triangle .... and there are 4 of them , and they all meet in one point .

 

Its my 'law of manifestation' expressed by 3:4 again       .

 

At risk of being sent to the re- education camp ;   in some ways 'the people'  like ( the finished product) of large collective  back breaking enterprises .... they like working together and achieving things, it gives their 'sense of identity'  a confidence boost .  There is a solemn  acknowledgement for those 'sacrificed' in the process, maybe a plaque (in modern times) but that is a side acknowledgement  ;   everything from a 'group 'HO ! ' all the way through to  the SMS ;

 

 

When it is by choice, or as it sometimes happened, by ideological sway, and not in completely inhumane conditions, perhaps.  Most large scale projects, however, involved forced labor, starvation, torture, epidemics and countless millions of deaths.  But the leaders of the project could, indeed, be moved toward making it happen by this noble (or should I say "projected," where one's own accomplishments and those of one's chosen group are relegated to someone else to actually physically accomplish but perceived as their own glorious deeds) drive to "achieve things."  As Machiavelli put it, "the end justifies the means."  Lenin, Stalin and Hitler were fond of that statement.  I don't know about the pharaohs but I've a hunch they thought along the same lines.         

[Nungali]

Yes, choice, definitely. That  can define the boundary between things like the above 'Snowy Mountains scheme'  and the  WWII  Burma Railway ( aka 'The Death Railway' ) .

 

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On another  subject, I have been reading about 'Gwion culture' again , this time in relation to early seafaring , it makes interesting observations about H&G and agriculturalists ;

 

In addition, they show the humans with tassels, hair adornments, and possibly clothing. Such body adornments are usually found in agricultural societies that have developed hierarchical systems of status. In a nutshell, the art shows cultural approaches that were not believed to exist until agriculture developed around 10,000 years ago.

 

Unfortunately it is mostly censored  ( yet agrees with some of my 'Old School Anthropology' views - before the era of rampant 'political correctiveness ' ) ;

 

Unfortunately, the Bradshaws have been too politically sensitive for academic discussion in Australia. For example, when the conclusions of Graham Walsh were first published, they concerned the Australian Archaeological Association. Consequently, on the 18th December 1995, the Association issued a media statement declaring that Walsh's interpretations were "based on and encourage racist stereotypes." The media statement was signed by Australia's leading archaeologists of the time. The Association was concerned that talking about the Bradshaws as significant and complex made contemporary Aboriginal art seem insignificant and simple by comparison. It was an argument that was a bit like saying people shouldn’t study ancient Egypt in case it made contemporary Egypt seem simple and common by comparison. Aside from being concerned that people might find the Bradshaws to be significant and complex, the Association was concerned that if the authorship of the Bradshaws were not ascribed to the local Aborigines, then they couldn’t be used in land rights claims. Again, this was a bit like saying contemporary Egyptians had no right to manage the relics of ancient Egypt if it couldn't be proved they were the direct decendents of ancient Egyptians.

 

 

[Apech]

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The builders of the famous Giza pyramids in Egypt feasted on food from a massive catering-type operation, the remains of which scientists have discovered at a workers' town near the pyramids.

 

 

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"People were taken care of, and they were well fed when they were down there working, so there would have been an attractiveness to that," said Richard Redding, chief research officer at Ancient Egypt Research Associates (AERA), a group that has been excavating and studying the workers' town site for about 25 years.

"They probably got a much better diet than they got in their village," Redding told LiveScience.

 

https://www.livescience.com/28961-ancient-giza-pyramid-builders-camp-unearthed.html

Edited December 22, 2019 by Apech

[Taomeow]

3 hours ago, Apech said:

 

 

I've read similar statements about the diet of African slaves in the US.  Even menus.  Lots of pork, which was at the time believed to nourish lower races but be harmful for the masters -- pigs raised specifically to feed plantation workers.  Who were also force overfed during holidays, and excessive consumption of alcohol was also enforced.  I'll see if I can find the article.  The point of it being that near-starvation was not always the stick used, sometimes it was the opposite.  There were whole sciences dedicated to the best methods of handling slaves.  Some called for starvation and some for providing adequate or even excessive fuel to the meat machines.  

 

In today's world we have both too.  Obesity accompanies poverty in today's America.    

[Taomeow]

Back to Sumer.  (And now I know where R.R. Martin got his "they are Seven!")

 

 

IMINA BI (The Sevenfold One) 

 

They are Seven.
They are not born, but created by the omnipresent An
- Seven of them.
Seven as one among countless asakku spirits.
Seven faceless and nameless - Seven of them.

 

In heaven they shine together - They are Seven.

Suddenly the earth shuddered - everywhere they were.

They are not men, not women, and they are unchanging.
They do not have a heart and they do not hear supplications and cries.
There is no evil or doubt in them, but they are not soulless.

By God the Omni-Heavenly endowed with the sign of sorrow,
they do what is theirs.
There is no shelter from them, for everywhere they are:
From the abyss of the waters of the seas to the waterless mountains and the desert sands -- everywhere there are Seven of them.
And in the breath of the wind, and in the torrents of rain, and in the straight lines on the distant roads, they are everywhere.
In the sea and in festering sores, in misfortunes and pain, in obstacles, in sorrow - in that is their great service and immeasurable right conferred upon them.

 

Seven gods born on the shortest and darkest day.
Seven walk, wander, crawl and weave, and will gain power at the end of the raw and vile year.
They complete, overwhelm, and conclude - that is their destiny.

 

So you don't meet them, so that they don’t get you, so that they don't catch you,
Cast a spell of Heaven against them!  Cast a spell!  Cast a spell!

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From Imina Bi, astrologically traced to the seven stars of the Pleiades, we get our seven-day week.  And the shortest day of the year is today.  Cast a spell against the Sevenfold One everyone.  Just in case.   

[Nungali]

Not 'against' the seven fold , actually  , a 'spell'   for control of their energies . Otherwise their energies just control as they will .

 

To 'control'  means to take the drivers seat in the car you are travelling in . When 'they' control you , its like you are  in the back seat and the car is rolling down a hill - 'enjoy' the ride ! 

 

 

 

Oh !  I nearly forgot to say who these 7 are  ;

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

actually, we get our 7 day week from the PLANETS ;

 

 

 

 

 

 

and here are 'the spells'   'against' them ;

 

https://www.thelemistas.org/en/MSS/Bjorge/SpiritualExercises/12-hexagram

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 22, 2019 by Nungali

[Taomeow]

13 minutes ago, Nungali said:

Not 'against' the seven fold , actually  , a 'spell'   for control of their energies . Otherwise their energies just control as they will .

 

To 'control'  means to take the drivers seat in the car you are travelling in . When 'they' control you , its like you are  in the back seat and the car is rolling down a hill - 'enjoy' the ride ! 

 

 

 

Oh !  I nearly forgot to say who these 7 are  ;

 

 

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No, they are not, and the planetary associations came way later.  They are Seven!  The seven gods of the Pleiades, also interpreted by Sumerians as demons, though the word "demon" wasn't in circulation.  Some powerful entities that can harm because that's their nature and their mission.      

 

And the translation I retranslated into English as "cast a spell against them" used the words небом закляни which can't mean "control their energies" -- besides, it's clear from the whole context that no one can possibly control these energies -- but, rather, "invoke heavenly authority for protection," "prevent harm by using the authority of heaven against them."  Not "against them" in the sense "to harm them," which is impossible, but the way you use a shield against a weapon.    

Edited December 22, 2019 by Taomeow

[Taomeow]

Taoists in the meantime didn't believe there's energies in existence that can't be controlled. 

 

In ancient China, they were looking at the Pleiades to explain the cycles of the four seasons. "When at sunset the Pleiades appear in the center of the sky, then the winter solstice has arrived. -- Shang Shu ("Book of Documents") Rì duǎn xīng mǎo, yǐ zhèng zhòng dōng. 

 

Every time there is a turning point in the cycles of nature, it is an important moment for inner cultivation.  An old taoist saying: "A day of meditation at the winter solstice is equal to half a year of meditation." Dōng zhì liàn yī tiān, píng shí liàn bàn nián.

 

Over and out and off to shuigong.  

[Apech]

Just one more thing on slaves:

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When Florence Widdicombe opened a box of Tesco charity Christmas cards to send them to her friends, the six-year-old schoolgirl from Tooting, south London, was startled to find that one of them had already been used. The card, featuring a kitten in a Santa hat, contained a despairing message from a Chinese gulag.

“We are foreign prisoners in Shanghai Qingpu prison China,” the message read in capital letters. “Forced to work against our will. Please help us and notify human rights organisation.” Florence had accidentally stumbled on a chilling link between British Christmas fun and Chinese human rights abuse.

The prisoners’ message, with handwriting changed to protect their identities

The Christmas cry for help from a Shanghai prison has turned an embarrassing spotlight on Tesco’s relationship with its Chinese suppliers and their use of forced prison labour.

The supermarket chain’s charity cards will this year earn £300,000 for the British Heart Foundation, Cancer Research UK and Diabetes UK. But the real price of cards that sell for £1.50 per box of 20 (or three boxes for £3) is that they might be benefiting the Chinese government’s prison system.

The message on Florence’s card went on to urge the finder “to contact Mr Peter Humphrey” without explaining why. Florence’s father Ben googled the name, and found a story about a former British journalist who had spent two years in jail in China — at the same Qingpu prison.

That journalist was me. On Monday I received a startling message through the LinkedIn business network. It was from Mr Widdicombe, a civil servant specialising in criminal justice, who explained about the card from Qingpu. I was suddenly plunged back to a painful two-year period of my life when I was working in Shanghai as a corporate fraud investigator.

My activities upset the Chinese government, which jailed both me and my American wife, Yu Yingzeng, on bogus charges that were never heard in court.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/tesco-charity-cards-packed-by-chinas-prison-slaves-v9psp9fqx

[Apech]

 

https://arxiv.org/pdf/0810.1592.pdf

[Taomeow]

Sergei Prokofiev, cantata Seven, they are Seven

 

 

[Taomeow]

Kalbu -- "male dog" in Akkadian.  (Kobel' in modern Russian.)  This statuette is one of the items that were used to cast protective spells against unwanted intrusions.  It was buried in the ground under the entrance door or by the gate.  The inscription on its side says "I bite the enemy."

            

[Nungali]

14 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

No, they are not, and the planetary associations came way later.  They are Seven!  The seven gods of the Pleiades, also interpreted by Sumerians as demons, though the word "demon" wasn't in circulation.  Some powerful entities that can harm because that's their nature and their mission. 

   

And the translation I retranslated into English

 

YOU translated into English ? 

 

I guess, then it depends on what was the original  word in Summarian   as  'the 7' can relate to both

 

 

 

udu/til/meš 7/šú/nu - “the seven planets ”

 

OR

 

mul/mul dingir/7/bi  -  “the Pleiades, its seven gods"

 

 

 

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as "cast a spell against them" used the words небом закляни which can't mean "control their energies" -- besides, it's clear from the whole context that no one can possibly control these energies -- but, rather, "invoke heavenly authority for protection," "prevent harm by using the authority of heaven against them."  Not "against them" in the sense "to harm them," which is impossible, but the way you use a shield against a weapon.    

 

Well yes, thats how old school magic always worked  ;  "invoke heavenly authority for protection," "prevent harm by using the authority of heaven against them." .

 

Any 'valid' old school astrological working would invoke 'God' first .

Edited December 22, 2019 by Nungali

[Taomeow]

15 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

YOU translated into English ? 

 

I guess, then it depends on what was the original  word in Summarian   as  'the 7' can relate to both

 

 

 

udu/til/meš 7/šú/nu - “the seven planets ”

 

OR

 

mul/mul dingir/7/bi  -  “the Pleiades, its seven gods"

 

 

It's  Imina Bi -- The Sevenfold One 

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=WW5AAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA358&lpg=PA358&dq=imina+bi+o+Seven-fold+one,+are+ye!&source=bl&ots=RCskXv73Us&sig=ACfU3U0PI43YZPkX5doE96wtuvrmTpABkg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjEoNboisrmAhXQv54KHShcC50Q6AEwAHoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=imina bi o Seven-fold one%2C are ye!&f=false

 

 

[Taomeow]

38 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Well yes, thats how old school magic always worked  ;  "invoke heavenly authority for protection," "prevent harm by using the authority of heaven against them." .

 

Any 'valid' old school astrological working would invoke 'God' first .

 

Either that.  Or denounced him first and relied on his competition.

 

"I denounce God and His life-bearing Cross, and surrender myself into the hands of the devils.  May this man be adhered to by sorrow, by the name of Hick-ups.  Hick-ups Sorrow, shake and torture (name of the recipient) till the end of his life.  As this salt will go dry, so (name of the recipient) will go dry.  Step away from me, devils, and step toward him and cling to him.  Go, devilish force, away from me!" 

 

(Also my translation, from the book "777 Spells and Hexes"  -- a collection of mostly Russian but also Ukrainian, Belorussian, German, Finnish, Assyrian and Babylonian magical formulas from assorted ancient documents or from the field work of folklorists collecting orally transmitted ones for some 150 years.  Note the number of the spells in the book.  They are Seven Seven Seven.  )

 

Edited December 22, 2019 by Taomeow

[Nungali]

Yes, one can use 'old naughty' , or even 'the covenant '    

 

better hide it  

 

Spoiler

 

 

This looks interesting ;

 

Mediterranean Archaeology and Archaeometry, Vol 16, No. 4.

 

http://maajournal.com/Issues/2016/Vol16-4/Full15.pdf

 

[mark]

Dilmun, the Land of the Living, the "place where the sun rises" said to be the paradise of the sumerian gods, was originally a barren plain where "the waters rose not high". The sun god Utu is commanded by Enki to draw water from the earth, transforming Dilmun into a "heavenly abode".

 

Water ascending from earth, fire descending, a possible link to alchemy?

 

Ninhursag, the mother goddess, sprouted eight plants/fruits, whereupon Enki, convinced by his messenger Isimud to eat them, angers Ninhursag who pronounces the curse of death on him. The mother goddess is eventually convinced by a fox to heal the 'dying' water god and creates eight healing deities corresponding to the eight organs of 'Enki which ached'

 

The Eight Immortals perhaps?

 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjGrZru4cvmAhXjnFwKHZmvAdUQFjAAegQIAhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Foi.uchicago.edu%2Fsites%2Foi.uchicago.edu%2Ffiles%2Fuploads%2Fshared%2Fdocs%2Fsumerians.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2sI4FP_EahyUYLOwKvifl5

Edited December 23, 2019 by mark

[senseless virtue]

37 minutes ago, mark said:

The Eight Immortals perhaps?

[Taomeow]

4 hours ago, mark said:

Dilmun, the Land of the Living, the "place where the sun rises" said to be the paradise of the sumerian gods, was originally a barren plain where "the waters rose not high". The sun god Utu is commanded by Enki to draw water from the earth, transforming Dilmun into a "heavenly abode".

 

Water ascending from earth, fire descending, a possible link to alchemy?

 

Ninhursag, the mother goddess, sprouted eight plants/fruits, whereupon Enki, convinced by his messenger Isimud to eat them, angers Ninhursag who pronounces the curse of death on him. The mother goddess is eventually convinced by a fox to heal the 'dying' water god and creates eight healing deities corresponding to the eight organs of 'Enki which ached'

 

The Eight Immortals perhaps?

 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjGrZru4cvmAhXjnFwKHZmvAdUQFjAAegQIAhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Foi.uchicago.edu%2Fsites%2Foi.uchicago.edu%2Ffiles%2Fuploads%2Fshared%2Fdocs%2Fsumerians.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2sI4FP_EahyUYLOwKvifl5

 

Not the Eight Immortals.  These are not healers (with perhaps one exception, Li Tieguai), seven of them were recorded in Chinese history as mortals who ascended to immortality via taoist cultivation, their celestial correspondences are of the eight directions of the bagua, etc. -- doesn't look like the same bunch.  There's quite a few correspondences between different ancient cultures and many of the Mesopotamian-Chinese counterparts are striking, and don't appear to be mere coincidences, but I don't see this as one of them.   

 

The eight plants/fruits that carry the curse of death with them may be the ones Sumerians started cultivating? -- wheat, barley, chickpeas, lentils, dates, onions, garlic, leeks.  The last three are still frowned upon by Buddhists.  The first four, by taoists.  The fifth, by endocrinologists.   And the healing deities may have been...  I'll try to find out what Sumerians had to say about them, but what I know arises in response to the eight plants with the curse of death upon them is the endogenous opioid system -- which comprises four G protein-coupled receptors (mu, delta, kappa, and nociceptin) and four major peptide families (beta-endorphins, enkephalins, dynorphins, and nociceptin/orphanin.) 

[Taomeow]

Here comes the hero...

 

garrad (Sumerian) -- hero, strong, powerful; an athletic man

gar (Sumerian)  - heroic; to be a hero

 

er (Kazakh) - hero, a strong man; head of the family; large male animal; man, husband

eru (Kazakh) -- to go behind him; to follow 

ər [er] (Azerbaijani) - man, husband, courageous man

er (Uzbek) - man, husband; manly, courageous
air (Arab) -- penis
eroe [(Italian), ήρωας [iroas] (Greek), heros (Lаtin), Heros (German), hero (English) - hero; semigod; ἥρως (Greek) - chief, warlord, leader, warrior, fighter, glorious man, hero, strong athletic man
ur (Hungarian) – master, sovereign, ruler

yur (Komi) - head, top
Herr (German), härra (Estonian) - master, lord, ruler; husband
kuru (Ainu) - man, human (origin of the name of the Kuril islands)
χar (Khanty), χār (Mansi), χora (Nenets), kora (Evenki), kuru (Nganasan), -- male animal; reindeer

герой (geroy) (Russian) -- hero

хер (kher) (Russian) -- penis (slang) 

 

Note that Khaty, Mansi, Nenets, Evenki, Nganasan and a few other languages of the indigenous ARCTIC peoples which have the same versions of the same Sumerian word for the same patriarchal idea are quite a way removed from Sumer both geographically and historically...  and yet...  

Edited December 23, 2019 by Taomeow

[Nungali]

It seems the Sumerians had a different view of Pleiades . Many other cultures see them as 7 women or sisters avoiding or fleeing a  man ; Northern Territory Australian Aboriginals ( 7 girls with an incestuous father, he gets turned into a crocodile. In another area they are said to be fleeing the attentions of a man - who is identified as one of the stars in Orion  )   , Kiowa of Nth America ( 7 young girls fleeing a bear) ,  ancient Greek ( sisters and mother pursued by Orion )  .

 

BUT   the   Hindu  ( the wives of the seven wise men named the ‘Seven Rishis’ or ‘Seven Sages’, or the six mothers of the war god Murugan who developed six faces, one for each of them { sometimes only 6 stars are visible  - like on the Japanese car logo , ie. 'Subaru' - , the asterism actually has a lot more than 7} ) .

 

This seems to have similarities to the Sumerian version .    Ie,   these stars are related to as God's or good energies but also have another 'side' relating to 'Mars'  - war * .   It is possibly seasonal, as some peoples related it to seafaring  ... both warfare and seafaring needed to be done in the   seasons when the need for  agricultural labour was less .

 

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http://maajournal.com/Issues/2016/Vol16-4/Full15.pdf

 

Seems we have a strong connection between the Greek and some Aboriginal versions   of a similar story.

 

But a different version of the story that is similar  between the Sumerian and Hindu .

 

 

 

 

Here is something cool       ; 'magic eye' - cross eyed viewing for 3D  of Pleiades motion through time ;

 

 

 

 

full screen ;  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleiades#/media/File:Astro_4D_m45_cr_anim.gif

 

 

 

[Taomeow]

There's also the new age version...  wherein they are supposed to be the good aliens, higher vibration, stuff like that. 

And Helena Blavatsky's version: “These Pleiades are the most occult constellation that exists... They are very occult, because they are connected with all the Rishis, too; they have an interchange of thought with the Rishis.” (H. P. Blavatsky, “The Secret Doctrine Dialogues”) 

 

I don't mind -- they are definitely onto something, if only because they're part of my native Taurus, and the belt of Orion connecting to my very own Aldebaran, the Eye of the Bull, guides one's gaze exactly in their direction.

 

 

Sumerians were star gazers -- they spent their evenings, and often nights, on the flat roofs of their houses, resting, socializing, eating and sleeping there.  Or just lying on their back gazing at the night sky.  There was no light pollution.  The climate, with few nights when the sky was clouded, also contributed to astronomical observations. 

Edited December 24, 2019 by Taomeow

[Nungali]

19 hours ago, Taomeow said:

..., the Eye of the Bull, guides one's gaze exactly in their direction.

 

 

 

 

Ah! I see , its not Orion's fault  then ..... they just happened to be in 'his line of sight '   

 

-  then he decided to chase them  ...... and they fled ;

 

[Apech]

Sky very clear tonight and Orion and Sirius quite glorious in the south - my poor eyesight could only pick out the Pleiades as a ptch of light tho'