CodeXs Posted September 7, 2019 Dear friends, I would like to know if your familiar with (and have information about) non-traditional sects. I am referring to modern or lesser known sects and if you have reference websites or textual material that you can refer me to to analyze. I am familiar with the various traditional schools and one or another recent school, but would I would like to broaden my knowledge in this regard.Thank you so much! Best wishes. João Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
liminal_luke Posted September 7, 2019 Off the top of my head... Stillness-Movement Sundo Healing Tao/Universal Tao Sheng Zhen Spring Forest Robert Peng´s teaching Max Christensen´s Kunlun Method Yigong (Sifu Jenny Lamb) Juan Li (healing tao instructor with some individual things) Chi Nei Tsang as taught by Gilles Marin Not sure if this is what you mean and not all of these are necessarily "modern." Just what comes to mind. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CodeXs Posted September 7, 2019 Hi! Thank you so much for your help. As far as I can see, the examples you refere are more related to physical practices, chi gong and similar activities. I was thinking more like for example Eva Wong Xiantianwujimen lineage, and potential schools derived from quanzhen and zhengyi, or maybe other surviving and almost forgotten schools today. For example the COMPREHENSIVE REGISTER OF THE LINEAGES AND BRANCHES OF THE REALIZED ONES (Zhuzhen zongpai zongbu 諸真宗派總簿) makes reference of several sects that I cannot find information about. Thank you so much. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walker Posted September 20, 2019 On 2019/9/8 at 5:31 AM, CodeXs said: For example the COMPREHENSIVE REGISTER OF THE LINEAGES AND BRANCHES OF THE REALIZED ONES (Zhuzhen zongpai zongbu 諸真宗派總簿) makes reference of several sects that I cannot find information about. Which ones? Please post names in Chinese if possible. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CodeXs Posted September 24, 2019 Hi! For example: 混元派 Hunyuan pai 尹喜派 Yin Xi pai 少陽派 Shaoyang pai 正陽派 Zhengyang pai 純陽派 Chunyang pai 海蟾劉祖派 Haichan Liu zu pai 重陽派 Chongyang pai 隨山派 Suishan pai 南無派 Nanwu pai 遇山派 Yushan pai 華山派 Huashan pai 山派 Yushan pai 清靜派 Qingjing pai 金山派 Jinshan pai 金輝派 Jinhui pai 閻祖派 Yan zu pai 嶗山派 Laoshan pai 清微派 Qingwei pai 又二茅派 you Er Mao pai 靜一派 Jingyi pai 高上派 Gaoshang pai 天師清微派 Tianshi Qingwei pai 天師正乙派 Tianshi Zhengyi pai 張真人正乙派 Zhang zhenren Zhengyi pai 天師張真人正乙派 Tianshi Zhang zhenren Zhengyi pai 天師張道陵真人正乙派 Tianshi Zhang Daoling zhenren Zhengyi pai 天師分支尹喜派 Yin Xi pai 真武玄武派 Zhenwu Xuanwu pai 呂祖天仙派 Lü zu Tianxian pai 天仙派 Tianxian pai 呂祖蓬萊派 Lü zu Penglai pai 葛真君天台派 Ge Zhenren Tiantai pai 許真君淨明派 Xu zhenjun Jingming pai 果老祖師雲陽派 Guolao zushi Yunyang pai 鐵拐祖師雲虛派 Tieguai zushi Yunxu pai 何仙姑雲霞派 He Xiangu Yunxia pai 曹國舅金丹派 Cao Guojiu jindan pai 曹仙姑清靜派 Cao Xiangu Qingjing pai 樵陽真人玉線派 Qiao Yang zhenren Yuxian pai 老華山派 Laohua shan pai 周祖靈寶派 Zhou zu Lingbao pai 周祖鐵冠派 Zhouzu Tieguan pai 徐復陽祖師鶴山派 Xu Fuyang zushi Heshan pai 鶴山派 Heshan pai 自然派 Ziran pai 三豐祖師自然派 Sanfeng zushi Ziran pai 三豐派 Sanfeng pai 三豐祖師日新派 Sanfeng zushi Rixin pai 日新派 Rixin pai 三豐祖師蓬萊派 Sanfeng zushi Penglai pai 天仙派 Tianxian pai 薩真君西河派 Sa zhenjun Xihe pai 薩祖派 Sa zu pai 龍門華山派 Longmen Huashan pai 邱祖又派 Qiu zu you pai 郝祖岔派 Hao zu chapai 五祖岔支崑山派 Wuzu zhazhi Kunshan pai 先天派 Xiantian pai 本山派 Benshan pai 棲安派 Qi’an pai Dwelling in Tranquility Branch 紫陽派 Ziyang pai 霍山派 Huoshan pai 御制九宮山派 Yuzhi Jiugong shan pai 彭祖真空派 Peng zu zhengong pai 廣慧派 Guanghui pai Here are some examples. I am quite sure that many of these branches will be extinct, some of them hundreds of years ago. However I would like to have access to written information or websites about branches that are still active, regardless of whether they belong to this group or not. That's it Thank you! 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walker Posted October 5, 2019 Hi CodeXs, That's a long list. I'm just going to jot some notes into it where I can offer some thoughts off the top of my head. If you do not read Chinese, I think your best bet is to consult The Routledge Encyclopedia of Taoism, which is a fantastic and extremely in-depth resource. To be honest, consider its enormity and the care went into making it, I don't consider its price on Amazon to be exhorbitant whatsoever, but it is still expensive. If the price makes buying it impossible, you might be able to get a copy through inter-library loan or even convince your local library to purchase a copy. I've had luck getting hard to find books through both methods in the past. On 2019/9/25 at 4:24 AM, CodeXs said: 尹喜派 Yin Xi pai -This line traces back to Yin Xi, who is famous for convincing Laozi to hang out for a few days and write the Daodejing before he rode off on his ox and "left all this bullshit behind him." It has other names, including 文始派 (named after one of Yin Xi's honorary titles), 猶龍派 ("The School of Those Who are Like Dragons," probably a reference to Confucius' alleged statement about Laozi--not a literal statement about dragons), and 隱仙派 ("Hidden Immortals School"). There are people who still claim this school's mantle. It is not a monastic or liturgical lineage, was never oriented around public endeavors, and by some accounts leads the deepest achievements. Its characteristic is wuwei practice. 少陽派 Shaoyang pai -It is interesting that Shaoyang pai comes after Yin Xi pai here, because this reflects a breakdown I have seen elsewhere. Legend has it that, in addition to Yin Xi, Laozi also had a disciple with the name or sobriquet Shao Yang. To Yin Xi, Laozi transmitted wuwei-based practice. However, Shao Yang was not ready for such teachings, and so Laozi taught him the step-by-step methods, starting with refining jing into qi. Therefore, Shaoyang pai is not an individual lineage, but a reference to the originator of a line of teachings that eventually made their way into many schools, including the Dragon Gate (although, to be sure, there are teachings within the Dragon Gate school that are more Yin Xi-like in their emphasis on wuwei). In short, Shaoyang pai is an umbrella term. 正陽派 Zhengyang pai Reference to Zhongli Quan, of the Eight Immortals. I do not know of it as a standalone school. 純陽派 Chunyang pai Reference to Lu Dongbin, of the Eight Immortals, disciple of Zhongli Quan. I believe that the fellows on White Horse Mountain near Wudang claim this mantle. 海蟾劉祖派 Haichan Liu zu pai Reference to Liu Haichan, who influenced many schools of Daoism. 重陽派 Chongyang pai 隨山派 Suishan pai 南無派 Nanwu pai 遇山派 Yushan pai 華山派 Huashan pai 山派 Yushan pai 清靜派 Qingjing pai All of the above from Chongyang down seem to be references to Wang Chongyang, founder of Quanzhen Daoism, and smaller schools founded by his disciples. 金山派 Jinshan pai Perhaps a reference to Min Yide's school, Jingaishan pai, which counts as a Dragon Gate offshoot, I believe, with other influences 嶗山派 Laoshan pai Laoshan Daoism, in Shandong, has a long and rich history. This may be a Dragon Gate offshoot 天師清微派 Tianshi Qingwei pai 天師正乙派 Tianshi Zhengyi pai 張真人正乙派 Zhang zhenren Zhengyi pai 天師張真人正乙派 Tianshi Zhang zhenren Zhengyi pai 天師張道陵真人正乙派 Tianshi Zhang Daoling zhenren Zhengyi pai These all seem to be related closely to what we now call Zhengyi Daoism or the Heavenly Masters Sect, which still exists in many places in China, Taiwan, and probably other places with concentrations of people with Chinese heritage. 天師分支尹喜派 Yin Xi pai Perhaps a blend of Zhengyi Daoism and Yin Xi's teachings? Never heard of it. 呂祖天仙派 Lü zu Tianxian pai 呂祖蓬萊派 Lü zu Penglai pai Interesting to see other schools bearing Lu Dongbin's name. This is likely because Lu Dongbin remains (or is believed to remain) actively involved in transmitting teachings to the world in a variety of highly esoteric ways. 葛真君天台派 Ge Zhenren Tiantai pai Maybe Ge Hong's school? 許真君淨明派 Xu zhenjun Jingming pai Probably a school tracing back to Xu Xun aka (iirc) Xu Jingyang. 果老祖師雲陽派 Guolao zushi Yunyang pai 鐵拐祖師雲虛派 Tieguai zushi Yunxu pai 何仙姑雲霞派 He Xiangu Yunxia pai 曹國舅金丹派 Cao Guojiu jindan pai 曹仙姑清靜派 Cao Xiangu Qingjing pai Schools seemingly connected to other members of the Eight Immortals, whose names you can easily find on Wikipedia. Not sure how widespread these schools are now or ever were. 老華山派 Laohua shan pai Perhaps refers to the Huashan Daoism that predated the Quanzhen school with the name Huashan? 自然派 Ziran pai 三豐祖師自然派 Sanfeng zushi Ziran pai 三豐派 Sanfeng pai 三豐祖師日新派 Sanfeng zushi Rixin pai These seem to be Wudang-related schools. The latter three take their name from Zhang Sanfeng. Practitioners alive today claim these mantles. 龍門華山派 Longmen Huashan pai 邱祖又派 Qiu zu you pai 郝祖岔派 Hao zu chapai More Dragon Gate and Quanzhen sub-schools. This sort of branching out happened a lot. 紫陽派 Ziyang pai Possibly a reference to Zhang Boduan; if so, refers to so-called "Southern Quanzhen," or at least something closely related. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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