Greatings from the White Brotherhood

[Earl Grey]

2 hours ago, Nungali said:

Flattery now ?

 

 

 

 

 

I don’t know if this song

 

or this song is more appropriate here.

 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

https://www.beat.com.au/looks-like-tool-just-teased-a-2020-australian-tour/

 

 

 

[Nungali]

 

Anyway , back to the White Brotherhood

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/590224636/elohim-the-great-white-brotherhood-of

 

 

 

[Earl Grey]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

https://www.beat.com.au/looks-like-tool-just-teased-a-2020-australian-tour/

 

 

 

 

Lucky guy, you!!!!!!

[Earl Grey]

12 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Anyway , back to the White Brotherhood

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/590224636/elohim-the-great-white-brotherhood-of

 

 

 

 

Great White Brotherhood? Pretty fly for a white guy.

 

 

 

[Mskied]

On 10/26/2019 at 10:33 AM, sagebrush said:

condensed into four eloquent sentences- here is a message back from an adult female.

 

the world is full of billions of people

somewhere along the way I read that everything is as it should be

nature has birth and decay and death

are you saying you are damaged goods?

usually the child blames the parent

and I am betting you are not a parent.

it is what it is

 

I am no child, either.

 

Everything is as it should be, though it might not be how you want it.

[Mskied]

On 10/27/2019 at 2:21 AM, ऋषि said:

Here is a message from outside linear time.

 

the few and the many
on the road again appears 
rising up from depths endless 
descent of ascending wings
scattered feathers against hearts
iron clad forging fires
atoms split in twain
between no thing
in sides
bare
 

bare, but aflame

[Mskied]

On 10/27/2019 at 1:28 PM, sagebrush said:

is this the map that is the cause too much controversy in the world as we know it?

 

The only controversy from what I initially wrote is that the caterpillar is simply devouring and travelling, and not pitching in to the tending of the garden.  The controversy I comment on comes later in this thread.

[Nungali]

Nope ... wrong again . 

 

Methinks an holistic understanding is required here and an awareness of interrelated components creating a healthy natural system .

 

Caterpillars  provide a lot of food for birds ,  small mammals like rodents, hedgehogs and even bears . They also help support ants . Ants prey on most insect species, but have a mutually beneficial relationship with caterpillars. Caterpillars produce sugary excretions known as honeydew, which ants consume. In turn, ants provide caterpillars protection from predatory insects. Some ant species escort the caterpillar into their nest in order to have exclusive rights to the caterpillar's excretions. If a caterpillar wants protection, it creates a vibration to signal its presence to nearby ants.

 

Of course caterpillars can get out of control,  run plague ,  and destroy crops ... but that is usually in huge commercial monoculture (and small monoculture ) ... which is why those systems (which are not natural)  are now discouraged  and are an unnatural system .

 

One tree species, the red maple, benefits from the voracious eating habits of two caterpillar species, the eastern tent and European gypsy moths. The caterpillars do not eat red maple vegetation, but feed on the leaves of the red maple's competitors, which includes oak and sassafras trees.

 

Of course, without caterpillars we would  not  have butterflies ... they have a role in tending the garden as well .

 

And dont forget silk !     What you gonna do for silk underwear with no caterpillars ! 

Edited November 12, 2019 by Nungali

[Mskied]

I didn't get a passing grade on color theory, and I don't have the inclination to look into how the eye interprets color, and whether white is the absence of color or the entire color spectrum.  From my simple perspective, it seems that black is the combination of color, and that white is what we get when color is extracted.  Why is white so important in spirituality?  Because it is the absence of color and is the color of purity- though it is easily argued that color itself is pure.  I like to think that white is the purest form of color, which is colorless, meaning that all are One.  Anyway, primary color, including white, is an ideal, and there are other forms of Magick than white, but the White Brotherhood seems to denote the idea that we are all One.  The same can be said of black I suppose.  I guess if push came to shove, White Brotherhood are the ascended Masters, having transfigured themselves beyond color.

 

I think its terrible that you mock this group, being that many of you claim to study the Wisdom of them.  

 

If it is a racial thing, then I have no problem with that either, because the "White", Caucasian race- the Indo-European, has done great deeds in promoting the health and well being of this world, and this race should indeed be honored for what they have contributed.  There is no shame in being of this race!

Edited November 16, 2019 by Mskied

[Earl Grey]

1 hour ago, Mskied said:

 

If it is a racial thing, then I have no problem with that either, because the "White", Caucasian race- the Indo-European, has done great deeds in promoting the health and well being of this world, and this race should indeed be honored for what they have contributed.  There is no shame in being of this race!

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[ralis]

On 11/12/2019 at 2:16 PM, Nungali said:

Nope ... wrong again . 

 

Methinks an holistic understanding is required here and an awareness of interrelated components creating a healthy natural system .

 

Caterpillars  provide a lot of food for birds ,  small mammals like rodents, hedgehogs and even bears . They also help support ants . Ants prey on most insect species, but have a mutually beneficial relationship with caterpillars. Caterpillars produce sugary excretions known as honeydew, which ants consume. In turn, ants provide caterpillars protection from predatory insects. Some ant species escort the caterpillar into their nest in order to have exclusive rights to the caterpillar's excretions. If a caterpillar wants protection, it creates a vibration to signal its presence to nearby ants.

 

Of course caterpillars can get out of control,  run plague ,  and destroy crops ... but that is usually in huge commercial monoculture (and small monoculture ) ... which is why those systems (which are not natural)  are now discouraged  and are an unnatural system .

 

One tree species, the red maple, benefits from the voracious eating habits of two caterpillar species, the eastern tent and European gypsy moths. The caterpillars do not eat red maple vegetation, but feed on the leaves of the red maple's competitors, which includes oak and sassafras trees.

 

Of course, without caterpillars we would  not  have butterflies ... they have a role in tending the garden as well .

 

And dont forget silk !     What you gonna do for silk underwear with no caterpillars ! 

 

Nice rudimentary overview of biological systems dynamics! 

[Mskied]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhswH1bLMy8

[Mskied]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ2t4jfVTiU

[ralis]

1 hour ago, Mskied said:

I didn't get a passing grade on color theory, and I don't have the inclination to look into how the eye interprets color, and whether white is the absence of color or the entire color spectrum.  From my simple perspective, it seems that black is the combination of color, and that white is what we get when color is extracted.  Why is white so important in spirituality?  Because it is the absence of color and is the color of purity- though it is easily argued that color itself is pure.  I like to think that white is the purest form of color, which is colorless, meaning that all are One.  Anyway, primary color, including white, is an ideal, and there are other forms of Magick than white, but the White Brotherhood seems to denote the idea that we are all One.  The same can be said of black I suppose.  I guess if push came to shove, White Brotherhood are the ascended Masters, having transfigured themselves beyond color.

 

I think its terrible that you mock this group, being that many of you claim to study the Wisdom of them.  

 

If it is a racial thing, then I have no problem with that either, because the "White", Caucasian race- the Indo-European, has done great deeds in promoting the health and well being of this world, and this race should indeed be honored for what they have contributed.  There is no shame in being of this race!

Color is interpreted by the brain. Robert Anton Wilson discussed that process in his books. 
 

The mistaken idea that separate races exist keeps coming up in this forum and repeatedly I have spoken out with science to debunk such naive notions. Show me where race exists in ATGC? https://www.quora.com/What-are-ATGC-codes-in-DNA

[ilumairen]

2 hours ago, Mskied said:

I didn't get a passing grade on color theory, and I don't have the inclination to look into how the eye interprets color, and whether white is the absence of color or the entire color spectrum.  From my simple perspective, it seems that black is the combination of color, and that white is what we get when color is extracted.  Why is white so important in spirituality?  Because it is the absence of color and is the color of purity- though it is easily argued that color itself is pure.  I like to think that white is the purest form of color, which is colorless, meaning that all are One. 

 

In the light spectrum white exhibits the wave lengths of "all" color, and black is simply the absence of light. 

 

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I think its terrible that you mock this group, being that many of you claim to study the Wisdom of them.  

 

This "group" was created by men/ women giving name (with meaning to themselves) to a hierarchy they created and claimed to speak for, and have connection to.

 

It was simply self elevation imo, and is completely unnecessary, and anathema to some here.

 

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If it is a racial thing, then I have no problem with that either, because the "White", Caucasian race- the Indo-European, has done great deeds in promoting the health and well being of this world, and this race should indeed be honored for what they have contributed.  There is no shame in being of this race!

 

Oh my stars!!

[ralis]

2 hours ago, Mskied said:

 

 

 

If it is a racial thing, then I have no problem with that either, because the "White", Caucasian race- the Indo-European, has done great deeds in promoting the health and well being of this world, and this race should indeed be honored for what they have contributed.  There is no shame in being of this race!

Let’s review some of your favorite white aryan accomplishments. Holy wars, crusades, Spanish Inquisition, WWI, WWII, Vietnam War, Korean War, just to name a few. Imperialism, racism and the higher cause based on religious sacrifice. 

[Mskied]

Read history and you find that this is how its always been, its not just Caucasians, though it would appear that throughout history Indo Europeans have led the charge in innovation and civilization.

[ilumairen]

1 minute ago, Mskied said:

Read history and you find that this is how its always been, its not just Caucasians, though it would appear that throughout history Indo Europeans have led the charge in innovation and civilization.

 

Did you really just tell ralis to read history??? He's the only one here I could assuredly say has read more history than myself...

 

"Led the charge in [...] civilization." Yes, by determining "others" were "barbarians," "heathens," or whatever other euphimism enabled them to be viewed as "lesser" and treated accordingly - for "their own good" of course. 

[Mskied]

I challenge anyone to tally up the innovations, inventions, and contributions of a non war faring people and compare them to the others.  If you can say that these other cultures are better, then I suggest you go live in a jungle, or wherever they exist, because historically we could not have the one without the other.  Also, Aryan is not Indo European mister "there is no race"

[ilumairen]

5 minutes ago, Mskied said:

I challenge anyone to tally up the innovations, inventions, and contributions of a non war faring people and compare them to the others.  If you can say that these other cultures are better, then I suggest you go live in a jungle, or wherever they exist, because historically we could not have the one without the other.  Also, Aryan is not Indo European mister "there is no race"

 

Thus echoed the mulititudinous voice of the second Aeon... 

[ralis]

11 minutes ago, Mskied said:

I challenge anyone to tally up the innovations, inventions, and contributions of a non war faring people and compare them to the others.  If you can say that these other cultures are better, then I suggest you go live in a jungle, or wherever they exist, because historically we could not have the one without the other.  Also, Aryan is not Indo European mister "there is no race"

I was using your term i.e, Aryan, which means Caucasian, Indo-European. 

Edited November 16, 2019 by ralis

[ilumairen]

1 minute ago, ralis said:

I was using your term i.e, Aryan, which means Caucasian, Indo-European. 

 

I was curious how we went from "yay innovative white folks" to technological comparisons with "non war faring people." 

 

Seems the goal post has shifted..

 

[ralis]

18 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

I was curious how we went from "yay innovative white folks" to technological comparisons with "non war faring people." 

 

Seems the goal post has shifted..

 

The post always shifts to prove a point! I usually term it, proceeding from an incorrect conclusion. 

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, Mskied said:

I didn't get a passing grade on color theory, and I don't have the inclination to look into how the eye interprets color, and whether white is the absence of color or the entire color spectrum.

 

Typical .  You admit you have no knowledge on the subject and not even an inclination to look into it  and then admit you nothing about the dynamics of white .

 

But that isnt  gonna stop this guy from telling us  what he thinks and then get uppity when corrected !

 

Colour theory and usage is an important aspect of ritual magick, (see Liber 777) and that is the basis behind a large part of  ritual / regalia/ temple furniture  design and construction.  It  should also be used in any good magical tarot deck,

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Mskied said:

 

 

  From my simple perspective, it seems that black is the combination of color, and that white is what we get when color is extracted.

 

It seems that a LOT of things are presented here by you from your 'simple observation' without going into any depth on them at all .

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Mskied said:

 

 

  Why is white so important in spirituality?  Because it is the absence of color and is the color of purity- though it is easily argued that color itself is pure.  I like to think that white is the purest form of color,

 

First, white is the absence of colour ... then its the purest form of colour  ?

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Mskied said:

 

 

which is colorless,

 

I see  ......  the purest form of colour is colourless ? 

 

 

4 hours ago, Mskied said:

meaning that all are One.  Anyway, primary color, including white,

 

White is NOT a primary colour  .

 

4 hours ago, Mskied said:

 

 

is an ideal, and there are other forms of Magick than white, but the White Brotherhood seems to denote the idea that we are all One.  The same can be said of black I suppose.  I guess if push came to shove, White Brotherhood are the ascended Masters, having transfigured themselves beyond color.

 

The   ' colour ' of magical Schools is not the same as colour in art or colour theory . Of course, I dont expect you to have realised this  as you dont like to take in information other than  from your  " simple perspective " .

 

" It is customary to describe these three Schools as Yellow, Black, and White. The first thing necessary is to warn the reader that they must by no means be confounded with racial distinctions of colour; and they correspond still less with conventional symbols such as yellow caps, yellow robes, black magick, white witchcraft, and the like. The danger is only the greater that these analogies are often as alluring as the prove on examination to be misleading.

 

" These Schools represent three perfectly distinct and contrary theories of the Universe, and, therefore, practices of spiritual science. The magical formula of each is as precise as a theorem of trigonometry.  Each assumes as fundamental a certain law of Nature, and the subject is complicated by the fact that each School, in a certain sense, admits the formulæ of the other two. It merely regards them as in some way incomplete, secondary, or illusory. Now, as will be seen later, the Yellow School stand aloof from the other two by the nature of its postulates. But the Black School and the White are always more or less in active conflict.

 

" The Yellow School of Magick considers, with complete scientific and philosophical detachment, the fact of the Universe as a fact. Being itself apart of that Universe, it realizes its impotence to alter the totality in the smallest degree.

 

" The Yellow School, in accordance with its doctrine of perfectly elastic reaction and non-interference, holds itself, generally speaking, entirely apart from all such questions. We can hardly imagine it sufficiently interested in any events soever to react aggressively. It feels strong enough to deal satisfactorily with anything that may turn up: and generally speaking, it feels that any conceivable action on its part would be likely to increase rather than to diminish the mischief.

 

" In accordance, therefore, with their general plan of non-action, as expressed in the Tao Teh King, of dealing with mischief before it has become too strong to be dangerous, they interfere gently from time to time to redress the balance.

 

 

 

" The Black School of Magick, which must by no means be confused with the School of Black Magick or Sorcery, which latter is a perversion of the White tradition, is distinguished fundamentally from the Yellow School in that it considers the Universe not as neutral, but as definitely a curse. Its primary theorem is the “First Noble Truth” of the Buddha—“Everything is Sorrow.” In the primitive classics of this School the idea of sorrow is confused with that of sin

 

" We have, however, examples plentiful enough of religions deriving almost exclusively from the Black tradition in the different stages. We have already mentioned the Evangelical cults with their ferocious devil-god who creates mankind for the pleasure of damning it

 

" The central idea of the White School is that, admitted that “everything is sorrow” for the profane, the Initiate has the means of transforming it to “Everything is joy.”  ...  Existence is pure joy. Sorrow is caused by failure to perceive this fact; but this is not a misfortune. We have invented sorrow, which does not matter so much after all, in order to have the exuberant satisfaction of getting rid of it. Existence is thus a sacrament.

 

 

 

 

[ There are also other schools ;  a 'Red School',   - the 'Royal Road',   a 'Golden School' but therse are often 'internal' and little known ]

 

" Our own School unites the ruby red of Blood with the gold of the Sun. It combines the best characteristics of the Yellow and the White Schools. In the light of M. Aumont's exposition, it is easy to understand.

 

" To us, every phenomenon is an Act of Love, every experience is necessary, is a Sacrament, is a means of Growth. Hence, ”…existence is pure joy;…“ (AL II, 9) “A feast every day in your hearts in the joy of my rapture! A feast every night unto Nu, and the pleasure of uttermost delight!” (AL II, 42-43).

Let this soak in!

 

Extraxts from M. Gerard Aumont' s essay  in  ' Magic without Tears '   Ch 6, 7 & 8   

 

  https://hermetic.com/crowley/magick-without-tears/mwt_06

 

4 hours ago, Mskied said:

 

I think its terrible that you mock this group, being that many of you claim to study the Wisdom of them.  

 

Mocking the fake group constructed by New Age phonies  and modelled on more older teachings that most 'moderns' would not have a clue about their origins .

 

 

4 hours ago, Mskied said:

 

If it is a racial thing, then I have no problem with that either, because the "White", Caucasian race- the Indo-European, has done great deeds in promoting the health and well being of this world, and this race should indeed be honored for what they have contributed.  There is no shame in being of this race!

 

 

Humans are all one race ; the Human Race . Human races are a fallacy, incorrect and unscientific . You seem confused with 'ethnic types', which have been intermixed with each , in various degrees, over 10s or 1000s of years and probably longer .

 

https://www.newsweek.com/there-no-such-thing-race-283123

 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/

 

or if you cant manage to read a simple paper ;