Physical muscular misalignment of head and shoulders is preventing kundalini movement in the head, which is making me feeling extremely slow and dumb

[moment]

Sometimes people in your state find personal social interactions very difficult.  But, freeform is right about you needing to slowly start that process.  The main point he has made and most others here too is: stop all meditation and energy work. Grounding is essential.  Look up what grounds one and then try them until you get a few that work well for you. Reconnecting with the soil (tree planting, gardening, etc.) I like beekeeping. Walking bare foot more often when possible.  Take care, moment

[Jonesboy]

11 hours ago, Pilgrim said:

Hi Bindi I have forgotten are you one of the cult of Jeff members? 

 

 

 

 

[s1va]

10 hours ago, Pilgrim said:

If anyone is offering to connect I say no thank you because you are a child an adult a spiritually mature being would not play games like this.

 

Energetic connections with teachers and divine beings/deities are very common in Tantra.  It is the fundamental of how tantric systems work.  I wouldn't call it childish.

 

10 hours ago, Pilgrim said:

 

I have never had a difficulty or a negative experience with Jeff.

 

And yet, you go on to pass so many judgements in that post based on second hand information. There is so much bashing in this thread.  It's just sad!

 

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Fear towards anything new and labeling what does not confirm with our ideas or sets of beliefs as a cult is not something new.  It's just unfortunate to see you engaging in this.

[Forwards]

24 minutes ago, s1va said:

 

Energetic connections with teachers and divine beings/deities are very common in Tantra.  It is the fundamental of how tantric systems work.  I wouldn't call it childish.

Energetic exchanges between direct lineage members and entities is a far cry from internet forum transmission rodeos.

[Pilgrim]

13 minutes ago, s1va said:

 

Energetic connections with teachers and divine beings/deities are very common in Tantra.  It is the fundamental of how tantric systems work.  I wouldn't call it childish.

 

 

And yet, you go on to pass so many judgements in that post based on second hand information. There is so much bashing in this thread.  It's just sad!

 

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Fear towards anything new and labeling what does not confirm with our ideas or sets of beliefs as a cult is not something new.  It's just unfortunate to see you engaging in this.

Hello S1VA I am aware of tantric practices.

 

That which your cult is doing is not the same at best it is a System of practices mutually agreed upon and reconfigured from the structures and underpinnings of different systems not much different than what Yogani did creating his own cult of Yoga.

 

Not knowing or taking responsibility for the harm that comes to others is the very definition of childish.

 

My knowledge is first hand and yes second hand as well when you have complete strangers talking to you about large busted blond women and remote touching experiments and had endured the same nonsense for the sake of potentially learning you can rest assured they indeed were in contact and being processed and evaluated by your cult.

 

I personally don’t care what you guys believe or do but sometimes when I see predatory behavior towards those exhibiting some degree of energetic awakening and what appears the wolf stalking these boards for fresh meat it gets old and then it is time to speak up.

 

I can understand your not liking what I am writing. My question to you is if this is not predatory behavior then just what do you call year after year of prowling websites like these and every time a person with a certain degree of awakening and energetic ability shows up they are invited for a hug and told about themselves by the wise cult leader.

 

What is that? Hmmmm... your a smart guy is it not time to wake up and free yourself?? 

[ilumairen]

And here come Jonesboy and S1va circling the wagons - expressing their own fear while looking down their noses at what they perceive as others expression of fear. Oi vey.

 

This @-_sometimes is part of the "problem." If you have some issue (with what will inevitably be set at your feet should you choose to participate), first effort will be made to pull you into the fold, should this fail you will be cast out, and if you speak out searching for answers to whatever oddness has arisen you will be denigrated. And if the oddness is great enough others outside of the group may join in - as happened with another individual who was banned from this site after he posted the belief Jeff messed with him a year before he met Jeff. (The issue here being I know at least once Jeff did offer to go back in someone's history to "take care" of past experience, and it is entirely possible he did the same with the admittedly unstable banned member.)

 

And now, if you guys (Jonesboy and S1va) will kindly stop attempting to suppress the words of caution, I'll be on my merry way..

 

Edited December 18, 2019 by ilumairen

[Earl Grey]

 

Well, if I'm going to join a cult, it may as well be fun like this one with good ol' Al Bundy. 

[Jeff]

I would like to suggest that we all just let it drop.  No one needs to bother with defending me.  And yes, warnings around the impact of doing advanced energy work are valid.  The energy/light dives deep into the subconscious, so stuff is always bound to come up.

 

Additionally, there is nothing to me to sell, people either feel it or not.  Totally up to them.  I do not enter anyone’s space unless they ask. In the past, when there were negative entities involved, I may have jumped in, but those are the old days. 

[ilumairen]

 

4 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 I do not enter anyone’s space unless they ask. In the past, when there were negative entities involved, I may have jumped in, but those are the old days. 

 

Hi Jeff, if this is the case then what would you call the hugs you say you send in new people's threads asking if they can feel them?

[Jeff]

2 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

 

Hi Jeff, if this is the case then what would you call the hugs you say you send in new people's threads asking if they can feel them?

 

I do not hug them unless they say it is ok. As in the example in this thread, I asked because I believe that it would help the OP with the issue.  But, since the person has not asked, I have not.  I also suggested working with the goddess Tara given the zen comment, and made the empowerment available. It will take some work for the OP to connect with Tara, but with the level of his energetic opening, it is possible.  I just made it easier if so interested. 

[ilumairen]

6 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

I do not hug them unless they say it is ok. As in the example in this thread, I asked because I believe that it would help the OP with the issue.  But, since the person has not asked, I have not.  

 

Yes, you did do better with asking in this thread. I will trust this to be your new modis operandi, and leave it be (for now).

[Earl Grey]

Just now, ilumairen said:

 

Yes, you did do better with asking 

 

One of my favorite forms of non-consent is misleading: getting someone to agree to something that they don't know they're agreeing to, a bait and switch kind of deal and also a form of abuse. 

 

Case in point: cops in America can't enter your house unless you let them in, and most people don't realize that they can say no as part of their rights. So cops mislead people to let them in with careful wording, just like they can't actually search you without your consent when stopping your car. 

[senseless virtue]

 

I wonder what would happen if Jeff and Drew came together.

 

Spoiler

Perish the thought!

 

Edited December 18, 2019 by virtue

[Earl Grey]

10 minutes ago, virtue said:

if Jeff and Drew came together.

 

At a distance or from a distance? 

[Taomeow]

18 minutes ago, virtue said:

 

 

I wonder what would happen if Jeff and Drew came together.

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubR9cXWkXv8

 

[Forwards]

 

[Earl Grey]

 

"You make me come

You make me complete--

You make me completely miserable"

 

I think the above are enough to think about what you proposed, @virtue.

[-_sometimes]

4 hours ago, freeform said:

A whole lot of advice!

 

There was only a couple of pieces of advice that were actually helpful. Most of it harmful!

 

One of my main teachers was someone who treated serious Qi deviations for hundreds if not thousands of people.

 

But the initial process is always the same:

 

Stop all energy work.

 

Zhang Zhuang is energy work.

 

Sinking Qi is energy work.

 

Concentrating on your feet or dantien is energy work.

 

Breath regulation is energy work.

 

Turning your awareness inside is energy work.

 

Letting go and allowing your body to move as it wishes is certainly energy work.

 

All of that needs to stop straight away. For a long time (at least 6 months)

 

What you should do is exactly the opposite - focus outside of yourself... exercise - like running, bodyweight exercises, joint rotations etc. Someone mentioned dancing - very good idea - maybe not right away, but after a couple of weeks of stopping all energy work, it would be a great idea to do partner dancing - but not 'spontaneous' dancing - dancing with other people, following dance steps.

 

Meet with friends, socialise, get outside, do some volunteering, work etc...

 

The main point is to 1) stop all internal work. 2) start 'external' work (physical exercise, manual labour etc) 3) get out of your head and socialise or spend time with others - your focus should be outside of yourself and preferably on other people. 4) After a while you can work on your issues physically - do joint rotations, rehab type exercises etc - plenty of stuff online - just don't get into energetics or anything involving moving your attention inside.

 

After 6 months you might be able to restart with training, but follow a clear and established system - not your own or another's mixture.

 

don't get energy healings or reiki or anything like that.

 

That's my advice

Thanks all for the advice given. It is very much appreciated. I can't not be mindful. That is not possible anymore, unless I chose to constantly lose myself in thought over and over again, if that would even work. At this point, mind quietens without doing anything, which inevitably leads to this tension in the head. It almost like my awareness is resting by default in the center of the forehead. I don't choose to put awareness anywhere, I don't direct attention - in fact the reason I stopped meditating is directing attention felt 'wrong', artificial. I stopped meditation about a year ago, now I have no practice, but I keep progressing anyway - I know this because I am constantly improving my ability to recognizing useless thought, existential worries, and so on. And my experience is increasingly vivid as time goes on - huge increase in depth perception, colors are bright and more vivid; like someone is upgrading my GPU hahah, or you've just taken a small dose of shrooms..

 

This tension in the forehead, the neck jerks.. they happen of their own accord, and I do nothing to bring them about. I don't try to focus on the head, I don't try to manipulate energy or do any sort of directed practice. The neck movement occurs because a build up of tension in a particular spot, eventually forcing movement in that direction - I try to let go of personal will and let the body move, so that this tension can resolve itself, because not doing anything is not option because that's what I'm doing already!

[ilumairen]

 

4 minutes ago, -_sometimes said:

I try to let go of personal will and let the body move, so that this tension can resolve itself, because not doing anything is not option because that's what I'm doing already!

 

What does letting go of personal will mean to you? How do you manifest this intent?

[ralis]

4 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

 

What does letting go of personal will mean to you? How do you manifest this intent?

Excellent point! 

[-_sometimes]

6 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

 

What does letting go of personal will mean to you? How do you manifest this intent?

By letting go of any intent or agenda. But I'm not too good at it, so admittedly in the past much of the movement was 'assisted'.

[Jeff]

19 minutes ago, -_sometimes said:

Thanks all for the advice given. It is very much appreciated. I can't not be mindful. That is not possible anymore, unless I chose to constantly lose myself in thought over and over again, if that would even work. At this point, mind quietens without doing anything, which inevitably leads to this tension in the head. It almost like my awareness is resting by default in the center of the forehead. I don't choose to put awareness anywhere, I don't direct attention - in fact the reason I stopped meditating is directing attention felt 'wrong', artificial. I stopped meditation about a year ago, now I have no practice, but I keep progressing anyway - I know this because I am constantly improving my ability to recognizing useless thought, existential worries, and so on. And my experience is increasingly vivid as time goes on - huge increase in depth perception, colors are bright and more vivid; like someone is upgrading my GPU hahah, or you've just taken a small dose of shrooms..

 

This tension in the forehead, the neck jerks.. they happen of their own accord, and I do nothing to bring them about. I don't try to focus on the head, I don't try to manipulate energy or do any sort of directed practice. The neck movement occurs because a build up of tension in a particular spot, eventually forcing movement in that direction - I try to let go of personal will and let the body move, so that this tension can resolve itself, because not doing anything is not option because that's what I'm doing already!

Always remember that much less than 10% really have any idea what you are talking about. Many book readers here, but very few with any real clarity or energy flow. 

[ralis]

1 minute ago, Jeff said:

Always remember that much less than 10% really have any idea what you are talking about. Many book readers here, but very few with any real clarity or energy flow. 

10% is just an arbitrary made up figure based on a personal opinion. I know exactly what he is talking about, but will offer no advise in which there are other considerations that are missed. It is always important to seek a medical professional’s advise in certain cases. 

[ilumairen]

20 minutes ago, Jeff said:

Always remember that much less than 10% really have any idea what you are talking about. Many book readers here, but very few with any real clarity or energy flow. 

 

Yes, here is the "you're special and only we will understand you..."

 

[freeform]

39 minutes ago, -_sometimes said:

And my experience is increasingly vivid as time goes on - huge increase in depth perception, colors are bright and more vivid; like someone is upgrading my GPU hahah, or you've just taken a small dose of shrooms..

 

I understand that this seems like a good thing - but this is exactly what happens with a Qi deviation - which is not a good thing.

 

41 minutes ago, -_sometimes said:

I don't direct attention

 

I'm suggesting you do direct your attention - but direct it outwards away from yourself, your head or your thoughts... preferably to some task that involves being outside, doing physical work and/or being with other people... something like volunteering at a community garden...

 

Obviously this is just my suggestion... But would doing a bit of gardening or some volunteering and spending time with people be such a bad thing anyway? Maybe you could test it for a week or two - and then decide what to do from then on?