gendao Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 3:35 PM, Nungali said: If the problem is within the higher echelons of the industry, due to those with perceived 'power' over others , why not focus on them, instead of the grunts on the ground, that actually had nothing to do with that problem in the first place? But it's not just confined to the higher echelons, if you're talking about the workplace in general. I know an attractive woman who just started working at a major corporation. I thought these days, men would be overly-paranoid about any behavior remotely considered sexual harassment at work. So, I was shocked to hear how many of her "grunt" coworkers were openly hitting on her, like even on their intranet messaging (leaving a full electronic trail). Like, it's just the same as always, if not worse! They really just don't give a f***! There is a real problem out there, from the bottom to the top. And the more attractive women especially will have to deal with more of it. Unless you talk with some of them personally, you may not realize it because they usually don't file official complaints. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted January 18, 2020 Lets have some politically incorrect fun Prince Philip to the President of Nigeria ; "You look like you're ready for bed!" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, gendao said: But it's not just confined to the higher echelons, if you're talking about the workplace in general. I'm not . Quote I know an attractive woman who just started working at a major corporation. I thought these days, men would be overly-paranoid about any behavior remotely considered sexual harassment at work. So, I was shocked to hear how many of her "grunt" coworkers were openly hitting on her, like even on their intranet messaging (leaving a full electronic trail). Like, it's just the same as always, if not worse! They really just don't give a f***! There is a real problem out there, from the bottom to the top. And the more attractive women especially will have to deal with more of it. Unless you talk with some of them personally, you may not realize it because they usually don't file official complaints. I am well aware of that AND in other areas of the workplace . I supported a waitresses claim (actually I initiated it ) about harassment at a place I worked .... and I added some 'Nunjali justice' to the mix for the purp as well . Depends what 'hitting on' means ; in some cultures , people tell me , eg. sections of Israel ( I mean sections, like army or Kibbutz - where men and women are closely integrated ) and in some Eastern European places , it is not 'untoward; for a woman to up front ask a man if he wants sex or visa versa . Is that 'hitting on' someone ? Also, the amount of nurses I saw fawning over and flirting with doctors ... is that 'hitting' ? At work (back in the film industry now ) we had a woman on crew who was . (frankly nuts and ) always having men hit on her and being followed by men or started at by ' pervs ' . One time at a party, she was right , so I pointed the 'perv' out to here and she goes "Ooooo ... Barry ? Has he been looking at me ! " undoes her top button and goes for a walk slinking past him . Perversion or flattery seems to be in the eye of the beholder . I also think there is a difference between people acting obsessively and annoyingly and those that can 'test the waters' and then adjust and adapt to the 'social setting' . Edited January 18, 2020 by Nungali 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent thunder Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) We are all of us Gardeners. Every word, every interaction... a seed planted in every being we affect. What seeds am i planting? mind asks this daily Edited January 18, 2020 by silent thunder altered last line for precision Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gendao Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Nungali said: Perversion or flattery seems to be in the eye of the beholder . Of course, sexual harassment is UNWELCOME advances. This could be because you are not attracted to that person, have some other issues with them, or they or you are married/taken, or you just don't want to sh*t where you work, etc, etc... There's a multitude of reasons why some advances might be unwelcome or welcome in a "professional" workplace. And just because people might welcome some advances...doesn't mean they don't also have the right to find others unwelcome. ESPECIALLY AT WORK, where it's not their job to just f*** everyone indiscriminately, lol. Edited January 18, 2020 by gendao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, gendao said: Of course, sexual harassment is UNWELCOME advances. Of course . And here 'sexual harassment ' is the better term than 'hitting on' , which was the term you used before and which was the specific term I was asking about . . Quote This could be because you are not attracted to that person, have some other issues with them, or they or you are married/taken, or you just don't want to sh*t where you work, etc, etc... There's a multitude of reasons why some advances might be unwelcome or welcome in a "professional" workplace. And just because people might welcome some advances...doesn't mean they don't also have the right to find others unwelcome. ESPECIALLY AT WORK, where it's not, their job to just f*** everyone indiscriminately lol. And just becasue YOU changed the terms regarding what I was querying, doesn't mean I think others do not have the right of choice and that its " ... their job to just f*** everyone indiscriminately . " . Edited January 19, 2020 by Nungali 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
