Nungali Posted January 22, 2020 8 hours ago, CloudHands said: Pure research : Higgs' boson Gravitational waves Complete model of particle physics Technology (just as scary as any new tool in a clumsy child's hands) : DNA based Nano Tech Technology power is related to smallness : axe, knife, engine, micro chip, then now nano technologies. It's goes the same for handling sources of power. Fire, Gas, Nuclear, what's next ? Solar ? ( ie, solar energy / storage 'revolution' happened after the ' nuclear peak' * . ) * Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted January 22, 2020 8 hours ago, Taomeow said: I thought we were talking about methane bubbles in lake Baikal. Observed for almost 200 years due to regional warming unrelated to any other kind. Related to volcanism associated with the Baikal Rift Zone. The rest is, indeed, beyond the scope of this particular thread. Damn ! Then I am having to go research it myself , sounds fascinating . I started a bit , its the deepest continental rift on the earth ! And there are some hot springs there , that is, on the land as well . Now it reminds me even more of Lake Taupo ; not only deep clear water but also hot springs in the area . Lets see now ..... Ooooo yeah ! You even get your own seal butler to deliver drinks and face towels ! Billy the Baikal seal 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted January 22, 2020 Tha lake even has its own friggin seal ! The Baikal seal, Lake Baikal seal or nerpa (Pusa sibirica), is a species of earless seal endemic to Lake Baikal in Siberia, Wot a place ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) ... before TM corrects me ... it is actually THE freshwater seal ( the only real one ) The freshwater seals are the species of seals which live exclusively in freshwater bodies. The only true freshwater seal species is the Baikal seal, locally named Nerpa (Нерпа). The others are the subspecies or colonies of regular saltwater seals. So, how the hell did they get in there ? Location map ; Edited January 22, 2020 by Nungali 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CloudHands Posted January 22, 2020 9 hours ago, Zork said: All 3 are subjects of heated debate. None of them are huge breakthroughs that will change the lives of the average citizen like say operational deuterium fusion reactors. Miniaturisation is a sign of technology refinement not a technology breakthrough. They are scientific facts with huge implication. They are also confirmation of predictions based on theoretical systems : they were expected before we can technologically observe them. Science and technology drive each other and it doesn't look it it stopped. IQ for once is receding which I agree is of concern... axe, knife, engine, micro chip, then now nano technologies. You can link these object to these eras, last is on its beginning which is a game changer : Stone age Iron Age Industrial revolution Digital Revolution Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CloudHands Posted January 22, 2020 52 minutes ago, Nungali said: Solar ? ( ie, solar energy / storage 'revolution' happened after the ' nuclear peak' * . ) * Maybe ! Could be good if we can learn from the trees Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taomeow Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Nungali said: Damn ! Then I am having to go research it myself , sounds fascinating . I started a bit , its the deepest continental rift on the earth ! And there are some hot springs there , that is, on the land as well . Now it reminds me even more of Lake Taupo ; not only deep clear water but also hot springs in the area . Lets see now ..... Ooooo yeah ! You even get your own seal butler to deliver drinks and face towels ! Billy the Baikal seal I applaud your effort. Aeons ago I cut my translating teeth on methane hydrates as technical translator/writer, and a lot of it was excruciatingly boring, but certainly not this part. Now I'll have to reciprocate by researching Lake Taupo. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zork Posted January 22, 2020 7 hours ago, CloudHands said: They are scientific facts with huge implication. They aren't. They have some impact but they aren't breakthroughs at all. Fusion power is a possible breakthrough. Gravity waves won't help us survive the current century. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CloudHands Posted January 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Zork said: They aren't. They have some impact but they aren't breakthroughs at all. Fusion power is a possible breakthrough. Gravity waves won't help us survive the current century. I don't pretend to know the future and my personal choices don't go to technology if I have to clarify I trust more a replicated science experiment that a one time witness or a video. It took time to go there. Basically that's what I say. But even science process is not pure science, there are personal/financial interests... Shades of grey ^^ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Taomeow said: I applaud your effort. Aeons ago I cut my translating teeth on methane hydrates as technical translator/writer, and a lot of it was excruciatingly boring, but certainly not this part. Now I'll have to reciprocate by researching Lake Taupo. I just started getting into the geology of Baikal area . fascinating ! But then again, I am a bit of a geonut . - I stayed in a Maori camp on the 'other' side of Lake Taupo, the place parkia (white people) are not supposed to go ... by invite, that is . Its a diff geology than Baikal . The people in town, on the other side , said to leave and come over this side , all the good stuff happens here HA! Those guys ( the Maori on the land on other side ) , took me out on the lake in a jet boat, made me jump in (I didnt want to , I said , I'm gonna 'fall' to the bottom ' ... " get in there ya wuss ! ..... Dont be an eeig * " I'm floating on the surface , looking down , I dont know how far , to the bottom " Arrrghh !I'm gonna fall ! " and they rolling around with laughter , I went 'traditional Maori' duck hunting - with a rat trap , jet boated up the rapids and through near boiling water , etc . Fun ! * An egg is a New Zealand slang word for someone who is acting like a dumbass, clown or an idiot. However it is used as a nicer way of saying such things. A recent Kiwi movie called "Boy" uses this word several times. It also could be used instead of saying dick. "stop being a dick, bro ' Spoiler translation may be required Edited January 22, 2020 by Nungali 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zork Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, CloudHands said: But even science process is not pure science, there are personal/financial interests... Shades of grey ^^ Yes and that is why we aren't seeing real progress the last 50 years. One example was the space shuttle program of NASA. A complete failure that only happened to satisfy contractors. Edited January 23, 2020 by Zork Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CloudHands Posted January 23, 2020 11 hours ago, Zork said: Yes and that is why we aren't seeing real progress the last 50 years. One example was the space shuttle program of NASA. A complete failure that only happened to satisfy contractors. hm, why do you think that ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zork Posted January 23, 2020 3 hours ago, CloudHands said: hm, why do you think that ? Because the transition to the space shuttle program reduced the payload that NASA could bring to LEO without reducing cost in tandem. So a return to the Moon and a possible mission to Mars were not possible anyway even if they could find the budget because after Saturn V propulsion systems were retired we lacked the power to send the people to the Moon. All this happened so that contractors who designed the space shuttle and build it could make a boatload of money from NASA's budget while there was nothing inherently wrong with the Saturn V launcher. The space shuttles were supposed to make LEO travel cheap and efficient and they did the opposite. The funny thing is while the blueprints for Saturn V still exist, there is no assembly line capable of making it from scratch because the technical know-how was lost. TL;DR. The space shuttle program was a leap backwards for NASA and space exploration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent thunder Posted January 26, 2020 This interview with Donald Hoffman is a compelling exploration of the nature of consciousness, Naive Realism and our perceptual modeling process and Programming/Artificial Intelligence. They cover some of the potent explorations and findings of Mr. Hoffman's career as revealed in his book The Case Against Reality. Fascinating conversation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted January 26, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 8:58 PM, liminal_luke said: Belated New Year´s Goal: Memorize a poem a week. Maybe I´m naive but I think that somone who can recite many poems from memory is unlikely to be unknowingly implanted with a computer chip. Unless the AI chip is one of poems But I would say a thread on sharing a line from a poem might be a great topic Let's folks ponder it and sink into our psyche. My personal range of poets is west and east... I think you are on to something here. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
