What’s wrong with choosing Siddhis over materialism including sex?

[cheya]

10 hours ago, ralis said:

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by cheya
Unnecessary distraction :)

[moment]

1 hour ago, rideforever said:

 

I was listening to Sheila the other day and she was describing her meetings with Osho during his 3 years silent period when he actually met his family and senior students every day and withdrew from the public but was not silent.  She said that she would sometimes tell him that someone had asked what to do with this and that swirly energy or chakra opening or experience ... and he would roll his eyes and say "Sheila why you waste my time ... just tell them anything you want".  He was not interested in powers at all,  nor in experiences, he was interested in letting students unscrew themselves by shaking out all the garbage and being more natural and simple with their needs and desires; and in his later years often just sat quietly absorbed in deep states saying little.

I would not believe anything Sheila said about anything.  Whatever happened to leaders being held accountable?

Also, thinking that someone, that had aquired that much wealth and influence, was oblivious to what was happening is naive and ludicrous.

One of the testimonies to his power is that people still defend this guy.

[old3bob]

to the op: seeking "siddhi's for siddhi's sake is a form of egotism or materialism and more of it!... for siddhis are a secondary benefit of true spiritual  unfolding and resulting loss of ego, thus not an attempt to supercharge an ego trip.

[ilumairen]

10 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

Then wtf is anyone doing in this forum if they do not want to Ascend to become a higher dimensional race or even a God or Goddess?

 

It is taught even the gods and goddesses inhabit Samsara, eventually their life of ease will pass, and as they near their passing they are abandoned by their fellow divinities who do not wish to be soo close to suffering and mortality. Having lived a life of ease and abundance they have not seen reason to engage in practices, and will be reborn into whatever realm is appropriate to their karma.

 

The human realm is special in this, as there is enough suffering to encourage practice, but not soo much as to make it impossible, and human life is seen as precious opportunity - not to facilitate rebirth into yet another realm, such as the god realm, but to reach freedom from karmic rebirth.

 

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If you are a Celestial God or Goddess living as part of a higher dimensional race you can have sex for infinity without any sacrifices

 

Yeah, this is the pitfall. You may be able to achieve a rebirth in the god realm, where you'll still be karmicly bound, but unable to recognize it until it's too late (as it seems eternal).

 

What are you doing here? Trying to become a god or a demigod? For the purpose of engaging in sex whenever you wish?

 

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by ilumairen

[Earl Grey]

3 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

It is taught even the gods and goddesses inhabit Samsara, eventually their life of ease will pass, and as they near their passing they are abandoned by their fellow divinities who do not wish to be soo close to suffering and mortality. Having lived a life of ease and abundance they have not seen reason to engage in practices, and will be reborn into whatever realm is appropriate to their karma.

 

The human realm is special in this, as there is enough suffering to encourage practice, but not soo much as to make it impossible, and human life is seen as precious opportunity - not to facilitate rebirth into yet another realm, such as the god realm, but to reach freedom from karmic rebirth.

 

 

Yeah, this is the pitfall. You may be able to achieve a rebirth in the god realm, where you'll still be karmicly bound, but unable to recognize it until it's too late (as it seems eternal).

 

What are you doing here? Trying to become a god or a demigod? For the purpose of engaging in sex whenever you wish?

 

Seems to be the case--he's exhibiting a very unhealthy attitude towards sex and the real issue here is probably addressing self-esteem issues and self-worth, then developing healthier attitudes towards sex and sexuality--and especially how he views women and what he mistakenly believes is how they value men. 

[thelerner]

13 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

What’s wrong with choosing Siddhis over materialism including sex?

 

Given a choice between being a Siddha like Osho or being a tall hunky TOP 100 actor like Liam Neeson, wouldn’t you choose being a Siddha anytime?

 

Why would anyone want to have sexual relationships with unevolved beings anyway no matter how beautiful their made up faces are?

I suppose nothing if thats your chosen path.  Its got benefits and problems.   The end game of the householder path isn't sex, its about leading a good life, being a decent person, raising a good family, working.. having fun.. having sex, kids.. one can do chi gung and meditate.. as serious hobbies but not the 6 to 8 hours daily of the hardcore.   The point of life is not to be Osho or Neeson, its to be your best self.  Odds are thats not a movie star or guru/cult leader.  

 

There are many good role models for the householding path, ordinary folks, millions of them.  On the Siddha path, you're kinda hoping to be a rare superstar.  A one in million or maybe that's ten million, if you want something big.  You're likely to be misunderstood or poor.  If you fail due to lack of talent, dedication, attracting the right teacher or picking the wrong sect then you're forcibly back on the householder path.

 

There's probably much middle ground.  Seeking a spiritual life; nothing wrong with the road less traveled. 

Edited February 14, 2020 by thelerner

[ralis]

1 hour ago, ilumairen said:

 

It is taught even the gods and goddesses inhabit Samsara, eventually their life of ease will pass, and as they near their passing they are abandoned by their fellow divinities who do not wish to be soo close to suffering and mortality. Having lived a life of ease and abundance they have not seen reason to engage in practices, and will be reborn into whatever realm is appropriate to their karma.

 

The human realm is special in this, as there is enough suffering to encourage practice, but not soo much as to make it impossible, and human life is seen as precious opportunity - not to facilitate rebirth into yet another realm, such as the god realm, but to reach freedom from karmic rebirth.

 

 

Yeah, this is the pitfall. You may be able to achieve a rebirth in the god realm, where you'll still be karmicly bound, but unable to recognize it until it's too late (as it seems eternal).

 

What are you doing here? Trying to become a god or a demigod? For the purpose of engaging in sex whenever you wish?

 

 

Agreed! That why I told him their parking meter has expired and won’t accept spare change. 

Edited February 14, 2020 by ralis

[doc benway]

Wow, some really beautiful people here offering love and wisdom to someone in need. 

🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[gendao]

19 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

What’s wrong with choosing Siddhis over materialism including sex?

 

Given a choice between being a Siddha like Osho or being a tall hunky TOP 100 actor like Liam Neeson, wouldn’t you choose being a Siddha anytime?

 

Why would anyone want to have sexual relationships with unevolved beings anyway no matter how beautiful their made up faces are?

What's wrong is that you are lying to yourself.

 

You are not actually choosing...but the involuntary choice has already been made for you by "unevolved beings" who don't want to have sex with you.

 

But this truth pill is too tough to swallow for your ego...so instead you pretend to take the moral high ground with spiritual bypassing sour grapes...rather than feel the full feeling of inadequate inferiority yourSELF.

 

But, authentic spirituality comes from being 1000% AUTHENTIC WITH YOURSELF.  That's always the right-hand path...and anything less is a detour! 

 

So, don't deny that feeling.  Fully savor and feel the full brunt of it out...until eventually there's nothing left.  Let it burn, baby burrrnnn!  Do some deep breathing, spontaneous qigong, moving meditation, intense bodywork, etc during this process if it helps.  Genuinely listen and hear its voice...until it has flamed out of your system FIRST.  

 

And THEN move on!

Edited February 14, 2020 by gendao

[Nintendao]

18 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

Then wtf is anyone doing in this forum if they do not want to Ascend to become a higher dimensional race or even a God or Goddess?

 

If you are a Celestial God or Goddess living as part of a higher dimensional race you can have sex for infinity without any sacrifices

 

You can even have space time sex.

That’s still getting into a lot of work though isn’t it! Realistically I’ll probably be doing pretty decent if this incarnation yields even a single blossom fit to adorn the Empress’s court.

[Nungali]

On 14/02/2020 at 4:16 PM, ralis said:

 

A very good friend of ours gave away her entire inheritance to him. She wasn't the only one! What was it 22 Rolls?

 

Wait up .   I have  heard Osho himself correct this ... he actually got very annoyed and said it wasnt true at all that he had  97 Rolls Royces !  ... he had 98

 

 

" Hoot  hoot ..... woop woop  ....har ha HARRRR  "  ( from the crowd of 'sanyasin'  monkeys listening and convulsing to his antics  .)

[Nungali]

23 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

No accomplishments yet just a most sincere wish to cut off every material desire in my thoughts in order to attain enlightenment and samadhi in this life time.

 

But ... I thought you wanted to develop the siddhi powers

 

[Nungali]

23 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

There are higher dimensional races with the powers to manipulate time and space and energy.

 

I doubt if Ralis would ever be accepted as one of the higher dimensional races.

 

How do you get 'accepted'  as a type of race  ????? 

 

[Nungali]

23 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

 

Don't invite them then. I can go into the Hustler store in Sunset boulevard in Los Angeles and have a nice quiet afternoon drinking a smoothie and reading a book amidst the smut and the giggling customers who come from the local colleges with the tourists. Every fifteen minutes, an announcement comes over the speakers: 

"Relax, everyone: it's just sex."

 

You would think so ..... but not really .

 

I looked at one of them 'Hustlers' .   Okay ... thats what people do .  So I had a go .   Got to centre fold , folded it out . Yeah okay, I got a bit horny .   I also  'have heard'  that some men masturbate  to those pictures .  Okay , I will gave that a go .

 

So, I am holding the magazine in one hand , and flogging myself with the other hand   and then  ...... the guy from that store goes

" Excuse me Sir, are you going to buy that ? "

 

He didnt seem very relaxed about it to me  .

[Nungali]

23 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

Then wtf is anyone doing in this forum if they do not want to Ascend to become a higher dimensional race or even a God or Goddess?

 

If you are a Celestial God or Goddess living as part of a higher dimensional race you can have sex for infinity without any sacrifices

 

You can even have space time sex.

 

Are you some sort of 'spiritual racist '  ?

[Nungali]

23 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

I am a poor guy and I am an ugly guy.

 

.................  < obscenities deleted > ...................

 

 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

23 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

Sounds more like dark dimensional races to me.

 

Can’t be bothered with Ralis and his bs.

 

I see  .... he is one the  'dark  races '  now  ? 

[Nungali]

13 hours ago, moment said:

I would not believe anything Sheila said about anything.  Whatever happened to leaders being held accountable?

Also, thinking that someone, that had aquired that much wealth and influence, was oblivious to what was happening is naive and ludicrous.

One of the testimonies to his power is that people still defend this guy.

 

Hmmmm ... its not actually what she says , she is cunning , its HOW  she says it ;

 

" in his later years often just sat quietly absorbed in deep states saying little. "

 

yeah .... deep states of Valium and Nitrous Oxide    

 

 

 

- I shared a hotel room with him once .

 

 

Like being on vacation with Hunter S. Thompson .

[ralis]

15 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Hmmmm ... its not actually what she says , she is cunning , its HOW  she says it ;

 

" in his later years often just sat quietly absorbed in deep states saying little. "

 

yeah .... deep states of Valium and Nitrous Oxide    

 

 

 

- I shared a hotel room with him once .

 

 

Like being on vacation with Hunter S. Thompson .

I have seen photos of Osho in a space suit costume. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find a photo. 
 

If Heartbreaker wants 24/7 sex, Osho’s ashram in Puna India is the place to go. Plenty of around the clock orgies complete with latex!  Oh yeah! 

Edited February 15, 2020 by ralis

[moment]

7 minutes ago, ralis said:

I have seen photos of Osho in a space suit costume. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find a photo. 
 

If Heartbreaker wants 24/7 sex, Osho’s ashram in Puna India is the place to go. Plenty of around the clock orgies complete with latex!  Oh yeah! 

 

To hell with the latex! let's git down and dirty!   (Junior Bums, please look away).

[Nungali]

Well, why the hell not ?  Heartbreak's frustrations are a result of a society that locks up sex and judges appearances . As you probably know, I am for free sex .   But certainly not expensive  culty ashram  shit that never helped anyone I know get over their hangups !  

 

Back in with  Reiche's Socialist workers party sex workers visited factories and had street vans with clinics, for  health education and sex workers .  The government  even supported it as  production was going up and  social problems where declining  !

 

Then some fascist bully boys came along  and locked it all up with sex power ownership in the hands of the alpha males .  

 

The current women's  traditional garb morphed into a Russian peasant woman's outfit .... just like Stalin's mum used to wear .

 

 

They think sex is power , and power needs to be limited regulated dispersed to the loyal and regulated , so so does sex .

 

I mean , if you dont , my God , everyone would run around  fucking each other !

 

 

Edited February 15, 2020 by Nungali

[moment]

2 minutes ago, Nungali said:

Well, why the hell not ?  Heartbreak's frustrations are a result of a society that locks up sex and judges appearances . As you probably know, I am for free sex .   But certainly not expensive  culty ashram  shit that never helped anyone I know get over their hangups !  

 

Back in with  Reiche's Socialist workers party sex workers visited factories and had street vans with clinics, for  health education and sex workers .  The government  even supported it as  production was going up and  social problems where declining  !

 

Then some fascist bully boys came along  and locked it all up with sex power ownership in the hands of the alpha males .  

 

The current women's  traditional garb morphed into a Russian peasant woman's outfit .... just like Stalin's mum used to wear .

 

 

They think sex is power , and power needs to be limited regulated dispersed to the loyal and regulated , so so does sex .

 

I mean , if you dont , my God , everyone would run around  fucking each other !

 

 

 

If you can dictate one's sexuality, you control them!

[Nungali]

You have to dictate their dics

[Earl Grey]

28 minutes ago, moment said:

 

If you can dictate one's sexuality, you control them!

 

27 minutes ago, Nungali said:

You have to dictate their dics

 

Ree-dick-you-lus. 

[old3bob]

if a person is working with a true Self realized teacher and his school then one will be following well proven and safe dharma teachings and actions, thus not doing whatever in the hell they want to screw around with as in seeking power per foolish or even dangerous desires or advice.