anshino23 Posted February 17, 2020 19 hours ago, ReturnDragon said: Go to: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213422016300725 Please read the actual paper you sent. It is about the role of aging on mitochondrial biogenesis and reactive oxygen species. This says nothing about abdominal breathing, nor does it suggest that the mechanism by which meditation increases "energy" (which is an ill-defined term, to be fair in this investigation thus far) is through increased oxygen. In fact, in some forms of meditation, e.g. anapana, you gradually decrease your inspiration and the breath actually stops (breath cessation), which I would imagine leads to increased levels of carbon dioxide and not necessarily just increased oxygen as seen in hyperventilation or deep abdominal breathing. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, ReturnDragon said: Good question. Thanks! This is where we begin. Mitochondria decompose the glucose from the food by oxygen we breathe to produce ATP(energy) . Our body is an oxygen dependant. Normal people do not breathe as much oxygen as Qigong or Taiji practitioners do. The practitioners increase the number of mitochondria in their bodies. That means they can produce more energy. Hi CD, I find that normal people breath a lot more than good taiji or qigong people. Have you heard of the term “turtle breathing”? There is direct correlation with frequency of the breath and both longevity as well as the state of mind (which ends up being a feedback loop into the system). A seasoned practitioner will only breath 5-6 breaths in a minute. Some go even lower. If you are standing in ZZ and hyperventilating, you are going to increase your BP, raise your Qi to your chest and head and essentially sooner or later blow a fuse (go nuts or have other psycho-physiological problems). Maybe you’re not being able to get your thoughts across properly. Edited February 17, 2020 by dwai 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taomeow Posted February 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Apech said: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-the-soviet-union-ban-microwaves-due-to-health-concerns/ https://ethw.org/First-Hand:There_Was_No_Ban_on_Microwave_Ovens_in_the_USSR#There_Was_No_Ban_on_Microwave_Ovens_in_the_USSR They are lying. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReturnDragon Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, dwai said: Hi CD, I find that normal people breath a lot more than good taiji or qigong people. Have you heard of the term “turtle breathing”? There is direct correlation with frequency of the breath and both longevity as well as the state of mind (which ends up being a feedback loop into the system). Hi dwai Hypothetically, you are telling me that normal people are breathing properly; and the good taiji or qigong people are not. Then, the good taiji or qigong people are not good. Yes, I have heard of the term “turtle breathing”. Turtle can take one breath and stay under water for 8 full minutes before taken another one. Edited February 17, 2020 by ReturnDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReturnDragon Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, anshino23 said: Please read the actual paper you sent. It is about the role of aging on mitochondrial biogenesis and reactive oxygen species. This says nothing about abdominal breathing, nor does it suggest that the mechanism by which meditation increases "energy" (which is an ill-defined term, to be fair in this investigation thus far) is through increased oxygen. Sorry, I was mean to answer Steve about abdominal breathing. But computer was acting up. So, I used my smartphone which is not very smart for me to handle this kind of input. Anyway, you are right. This is exactly what I want to point out. Did you know mitochondria use oxygen to produce energy? When we talking about energy, we cannot exclude mitochondria. In increase oxygen means increase the ability for the mitochondria to produce energy. We cannot just mention energy without thinking about mitochondria. Yes, I grant you! Meditation do not increase energy. However, it will, if one does in combination with a good breathing method.Here is the proper way of Tai Chi breathing and good for cell respiration which taking place hidden inside the body. https://www.energyarts.com/qigong-breathing/ Edited February 17, 2020 by ReturnDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted February 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Apech said: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-the-soviet-union-ban-microwaves-due-to-health-concerns/ https://ethw.org/First-Hand:There_Was_No_Ban_on_Microwave_Ovens_in_the_USSR#There_Was_No_Ban_on_Microwave_Ovens_in_the_USSR < smears cat food on wires > ¡Ya estás advertido, inglés! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReturnDragon Posted February 17, 2020 Your lung capacity is the total amount of air that your lungs can hold. Over time, our lung capacity and lung function typically decrease slowly as we age after our mid-20s. The reason we practice Qigong or Tai Chi is to restore the lung to its normal capacity. Ref: https://www.healthline.com/health/how-to-increase-lung-capacity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ReturnDragon said: Did you know mitochondria use oxygen to produce energy? When we talking about energy, we cannot exclude mitochondria. In increase oxygen means increase the ability for the mitochondria to produce energy. We cannot just mention energy without thinking about mitochondria. Hi RD, Good/bad for us that you are not this... as you are still breathing...? Did you know plants use carbon dioxide to produce energy... as in food? Mother Nature is abound with energy. Which is a better source of energy ~ mitochondria or Mother Nature? On 2/10/2020 at 11:55 AM, Walker said: Word to the wise: ReturnDragon aka "ChiDragon" was very active on this site until 2014. He disappeared in disgrace (I don't know if he was banned or simply had enough good sense to disappear) due to the following... Fallacies are not worth to be mentioned. - Anand Edited February 17, 2020 by Limahong Enhancement Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, ReturnDragon said: Hi dwai Hypothetically, you are telling me that normal people are breathing properly; and the good taiji or qigong people are not. Then, the good taiji or qigong people are not good. There’s nothing hypothetical about it. Good taiji and qigong people don’t breath as much. Nor do they need to. Good yogis too are like that. when I was doing a specific type of yoga practice, the pranayama was like this — inhale for 45 seconds, hold for 90 seconds and exhale for 180 seconds. Some would do it faster — inhale for 30, hold sixty and exhale 120. More beginners would inhale 15, hold 30, exhale 60. When we do set of 9 cycles of ZZ, we breath in and out 3-4 times (even 1-2 times) in a minute - in this case equal length. This needs to happen without straining. Most can’t do it because of the tension they hold in their body. 1 hour ago, ReturnDragon said: Yes, I have heard of the term “turtle breathing”. Turtle can take one breath and stay under water for 8 full minutes before taken another one. There you go. Does that mean more/faster breathing or slower and more relaxed breathing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted February 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, dwai said: Does that mean more/faster breathing or slower and more relaxed breathing? Hi dwai, Why are you wasting your breathes? Fallacies are not worth to be mentioned. - Anand 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReturnDragon Posted February 17, 2020 hey, Limahong Are you the same stalker of mine from another site? AKA yslim? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReturnDragon Posted February 17, 2020 You all Lim's are alike..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted February 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, ReturnDragon said: You all Lim's are alike... Fallacies are not worth to be mentioned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted February 17, 2020 40 minutes ago, Limahong said: Hi dwai, Why are you wasting your breathes? Fallacies are not worth to be mentioned. - Anand Just in mood to entertain my friends here at TDB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
liminal_luke Posted February 17, 2020 Maybe everyone here should take a breath... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReturnDragon Posted February 17, 2020 Muscle contraction energy Ref:https://www.ck12.org/biology/muscle-contraction-energy/lesson/Muscle-Contraction-Energy-Supply-Advanced-BIO-ADV/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, liminal_luke said: Maybe everyone here should take a breath... Ya ~ for some... the last one... RIP. Edited February 17, 2020 by Limahong Enhancement 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, dwai said: Just in mood to entertain my friends here at TDB. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReturnDragon Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) This is only for those who are interested. It was a discussion with a biochemist from another site. At least read the last post to see where we stand. Ref: http://discuss.yangfamilytaichi.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4235&hilit=mitochondria Edited February 18, 2020 by ReturnDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
