The perfect weapon

[cheya]

I've studied iodine and thyroid for years. Not gonna argue, but I'm with Starjumper here. If you want to get educated by an MD who has made it his life's work, check out YouTube videos by Dr. Jorge Flechas, MD. Here's one to start with: (he's done a bunch and I recommend them all, not just the ones on iodine and thyroid.)

 

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, Starjumper said:

 

Actually, I was wondering about your emotional age.

 

 and we are wondering about your emotional rage

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, ralis said:

Why not stick to your little mountain hideaway with your paranoid world view and stay away!

 

Actually , thats my main line of defence .  I can stay here for a week and no visitors  ... if i desire .  Occasional trips to town and shopping can be managed ( like go when not many people are around , and a quick in and out )  , is also a low population area and fairly isolated ... except tourists come here , that can be a worry .

 

Other  'outbreaks' - other types of flue or nastiness I have managed to avoid by staying at home - its  easy of you dont just live in an apartment ... also not having kids and  not having contact with them helps heaps too  - no wonder they talk of closing schools - little hot beds of disease spreading they are !

 

Just means I hermit out a bit more .

 

[ralis]

Iodine is just one part of biochemical processes and to ignore other elements is a mistake. Not sold on iodine!

[ralis]

Natural anti-inflammatories are, Cayenne, Cannabis, Curcumin, Turmeric, ginger and zinc to name a few. I carry around Dr. Christoper’s Cayenne formula which I advise caution with due to the potency. Don’t  need much! Available on Amazon. 

[ilumairen]

Just now, cheya said:

I've studied iodine and thyroid for years. Not gonna argue, but I'm with Starjumper here. If you want to get educated by an MD who has made it his life's work, check out YouTube videos by Dr. Jorge Flechas, MD. Here's one to start with: (he's done a bunch and I recommend them all, not just the ones on iodine and thyroid.)

 

 

I did a quick search of the name, and charges were brought before the North Carolina medical review board in 2007.

 

***** 

 

I also cited the American Thyroid Association, what I'd refer to as a collective of medical professionals regarding the side topic we've wandered on to.

 

https://www.thyroid.org/professionals/ata-professional-guidelines/

 

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The members of the American Thyroid Association are thyroid specialists dedicated to transforming thyroid care through clinical excellence, education, scientific discovery and advocacy in a collaborative community.

 

*****

 

With all of your years of studying, have you come across information which would indicate too much iodine can cause the same and/or similar symptoms as not enough iodine? And it (too much iodine) can cause thyroid issues?

 

This is the point @ralis made, and I'm finding myself in agreement with. Is this what you are disagreeing with, with your claim to be "with starjumper here"? Or, am I missing something?

[ralis]

A quick Google search revealed this. A blood test for TSH, T3 and T4 hormones is a place to start instead of dumping iodine into a sensitive gland. 
 

https://www.google.com/search?q=too+much+iodine+in+body&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

 

[Limahong]

38 minutes ago, Nungali said:

we are wondering about your emotional rage

 

Hi Nun,

 

Why a tit for tat at such a time as this? Maturity? Where?

 

 

14 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

am I missing something?

 

Hi ilumairen,

 

Am I missing THAT something too?

 

Is the whole world missing THAT something in unity?

 

- Anand

 

[flowing hands]

'The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet's population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans'.12 Oct 2010

 

This outbreak had no conspiracy theory behind it (not that I know of) and its source was said to have started in the trenches with pig handling. It tended to strike people aged between 20-40 as their immune response was strong so their lungs filled up with water very quickly.

[Nungali]

57 minutes ago, Limahong said:

 

Hi Nun,

 

Why a tit for tat at such a time as this? Maturity? Where?

 

Oh , sorry , when I detect YOU are around, I shall attempt to be MUCH MORE MATURE  .

 

 

 

 

 

[Limahong]

8 hours ago, Nungali said:

when I detect YOU are around, I shall attempt to be MUCH MORE MATURE  .

 

Hi Nun,

 

When COVID - 19 is around I may not be around...

My being around is irrelevant as I was TDB banned countless...

Thus there's nothing to my being around beating around the bushes...

 

 

 

 

But it will be MUCH MORE nicer to have YOU around.

 

- Anand

 

Edited March 1, 2020 by Limahong
Correction

[Starjumper]

This thread seems to have run its course for me and I'll be offering no more healing advice here.  Ralis and Ilumaren were put on permanent ignore this morning.

[Limahong]

5 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

ilumaren... put on permanent ignore this morning.

 

But don't forget ~ Mommy said... take care... such maternal love.

 

Mommy ~ I love you.

 

 

Edited March 1, 2020 by Limahong
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[ralis]

7 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

This thread seems to have run its course for me and I'll be offering no more healing advice here.  Ralis and Ilumaren were put on permanent ignore this morning.

You never offered real healing advice! 

[cheya]

2 hours ago, ilumairen said:

I did a quick search of the name, and charges were brought before the North Carolina medical review board in 2007.

 

Hi Ilum,

The NC medical board reviews every doc that doesn't follow "standard of practice". Meaning no one can treat outside the known, accepted box. They tried and almost succeeded in getting rid of homeopathy, for one. They tried to crucify another doc for doing chelation therapy. And failed.

 

If Flechas did something bad, he could not still be practicing here. And he is.

Believe what you want.

 

 

Edited March 1, 2020 by cheya
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[Limahong]

9 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

I'll be offering no more healing advice...

 

No more but...

 

 

 

[Starjumper]

7 minutes ago, Limahong said:

No more but...

 

Well at first I wasn't going to offer healing advice here, but then I thought, what the heck, maybe it will help some in some way.  But when some ignorant little prick who is politically butthurt, and his insolent side kick, jump on every statement I make it just kind of ruins the mood, you know.

Edited March 1, 2020 by Starjumper

[Limahong]

7 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

what the heck

 

No more... silence... 

 

Don't bite baits...

 

Period.

 

[ilumairen]

49 minutes ago, cheya said:

 

Hi Ilum,

 

Hi cheya.

 

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The NC medical board reviews every doc that doesn't follow "standard of practice". Meaning no one can treat outside the known, accepted box. They tried and almost succeeded in getting rid of homeopathy, for one. They tried to crucify another doc for doing chelation therapy. And failed.

 

If Flechas did something bad, he could not still be practicing here. And he is.

Believe what you want.

 

 

Actually I've little doubt doctors could do "something bad," and still be in practice, but this would be an even further derailment of the actual subject here. 

 

You missed the part I was actually looking for a response to:

 

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With all of your years of studying, have you come across information which would indicate too much iodine can cause the same and/or similar symptoms as not enough iodine? And it (too much iodine) can cause thyroid issues?

 

This is the point @ralis made, and I'm finding myself in agreement with. Is this what you are disagreeing with, with your claim to be "with starjumper here"? Or, am I missing something?

 

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

[ilumairen]

39 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

 

Well at first I wasn't going to offer healing advice here, but then I thought, what the heck, maybe it will help some in some way.  But when some ignorant little prick who is politically butthurt, and his insolent side kick, jump on every statement I make it just kind of ruins the mood, you know.

 

Poor little star, posturing as the king of insolence, upstaged by a mere sidekick.. so "butthurt" he's threatening to take his little treasures of healing advice and go pout in a corner. 

 

:yawn:

[cheya]

Ilum

People in Japan average 12 milligrams of iodine a day.  They are the longest lived country. We in American get less than 1 milligram a day and are lots sicker. That doesn't mean iodine is responsible for it all, but it probably means increasing iodine well over the meager amount in our average diet, will not be detrimental.  One thing that can happen when you supplement iodine, is that it can boot out the bromine toxin out of our cells, and that can cause unpleasant detox symptoms, which people mistakenly blame on the iodine consumed. You want to get rid of the toxic bromine, but not so fast that the released bromine makes you miserable. So if you decide to increase iodine, it's wise to take it slow. Eating more seaweed and ocean fish is a good way to start. That also supplies lots of trace minerals, and probably more closely duplicates the Japanese experience than taking a straight iodine supplement. I do both.

 

Edited March 1, 2020 by cheya
Corrected grams to milligrams, thanks Ralis. It's late :)

[old3bob]

people in parts of Japan tend to have better calcium levels also...which is a biggy.

[ralis]

43 minutes ago, cheya said:

Ilum

People in Japan average 12 grams of iodine a day.  They are the longest lived country. We in American get less than 1 gram a day and are lots sicker. That doesn't mean iodine is responsible for it all, but it probably means increasing iodine well over the meager amount in our average diet, will not be detrimental.  One thing that can happen when you supplement iodine, is that it can boot out the bromine toxin out of our cells, and that can cause unpleasant detox symptoms, which people mistakenly blame on the iodine consumed. You want to get rid of the toxic bromine, but not so fast that the released bromine makes you miserable. So if you decide to increase iodine, it's wise to take it slow. Eating more seaweed and ocean fish is a good way to start. That also supplies lots of trace minerals, and probably more closely duplicates the Japanese experience than taking a straight iodine supplement. I do both.

Twelve grams would be toxic to the max. 12 grams of seaweed?

[cheya]

Sorry,  you're right.  12 milligrams of iodine. (Corrected the post above) Reference Iodoral, iodine supplement.

 

Iodoral iodine supplement: Optimox

www.optimox.com › iodoral

Iodoral® is a tablet form of Lugol solution. One 12.5 mg tablet of Iodoral® supplies an amount of total elemental iodine comparable to the average daily intake of this essential element by mainland Japanese.* General Information. Iodine is an essential element.

 

If you're interested, do some more research. Or not. S'okay.

[ilumairen]

34 minutes ago, ralis said:

Twelve grams would be toxic to the max. 12 grams of seaweed?

 

Found this:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3204293/#__sec9title

 

Which says the average (intake among the Japanese population) would be around 1 to 3 mg a day (of iodine largely from seaweed sources).

 

Edited March 1, 2020 by ilumairen