Starjumper Posted March 30, 2020 Mythbusters contamination experiment Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starjumper Posted March 30, 2020 Abstract The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)-CoV underscores the threat of cross-species transmission events leading to outbreaks in humans. Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations1. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations. November 20, 2015 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GSmaster Posted March 30, 2020 On 29.03.2020 at 12:24 AM, Starjumper said: How staying at home is enforced in Ecuador, the real action, for men, starts at 0:22 They raised fines in europe up to 30.000 euros for going out for a walk. And in China they just kill people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starjumper Posted March 30, 2020 22 hours ago, C T said: Speaking of lifelong problems, this sudden awareness of the need to be extra cautious in terms of hand washing, sanitizing every few minutes, wiping down every thing, even shoes after being out... all these will leave an indelible mark. I equate this to a trauma. One that will impact on lowering natural resistance, which in itself is a big cause for concern going forward. So much fear and suspicion generated - even a slight cough while queueing could lead to dire consequences. Not being pessimistic, but as newer infections appear, coinciding with the dissipation of natural defence mechanisms, this could spell the end of humanity as we know it. This covid 19 could well be the appearance of the first horseman of the apocalypse. Already there's unprecedented chaos. I'm dreading the future of mankind. I admit that it does look bad. It seems to me that since it spreads so easily in a stealthy manner, that it will become endemic in the world's population and keep circulating. If, in addition to becoming endemic, you add mutations, the fact that people can catch it more than once, and each time being worse, it could have a long term significant impact on world populations. Maybe it will get the population down to the 500 million stated on the Georgia Guidestones. If it doesn't, it is certain that more of these kinds of viruses will surface more frequently. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starjumper Posted March 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, GSmaster said: They raised fines in europe up to 30.000 euros for going out for a walk. And in China they just kill people. Wow. In Ecuador the law says first offense is $100 fine, second offense is one month's salary, and third offense is prison. However a lot of youngsters have no money and no job with which to bribe the police, so they whip them. The Army is involved and it is more difficult to bribe them. Anyway, I'm obeying the law. My license plate number allows me to drive on Mondays and Fridays, but only to the nearest town to buy food, and wearing a mask is also required by law. A lot of the locals are wearing the wrong kinds of masks, and/or not wearing them correctly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bax44 Posted March 30, 2020 I see all this worry in this thread over the virus. I could post about 30 different quotes from highly respected scientists/epidemiologists all over the world saying this whole thing is being totally overblown and that the after effects from the panic will be much worse than anything the virus will do. does anyone care that their phones are being tracked now pretty much legally by their governments? Does anyone care that more than likely there will be a mandatory vaccine that will be rushed thru with really none of the usual testing standards? Besides the devestating financial downfall and traumatic media bullshit they are shoving down people’s throats, it has the potential to make 1984 seem like kindergarten. , but no one is even talking about it. Nevermind that your fellow citizen will be your “policing ” you, taddling on you for coughing or not obeying the orders from in high. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
senseless virtue Posted March 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, bax44 said: I see all this worry in this thread over the virus. I could post about 30 different quotes from highly respected scientists/epidemiologists all over the world saying this whole thing is being totally overblown and that the after effects from the panic will be much worse than anything the virus will do. So far I have seen no convincing argument for the claim that coronovirus is an overblown threat. Please, feel free to provide expert arguments which take in account how contagious the virus is. 12 minutes ago, bax44 said: no one is even talking about it. Ordinarily people don't want to waste their time on conspiracy scares. The Western societies are nowhere close to oppressive surveillance states for which the Socialist People's Republics were famous. That type of trajectory is very unlike to gain traction in near future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bax44 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, virtue said: So far I have seen no convincing argument for the claim that coronovirus is an overblown threat. Please, feel free to provide expert arguments which take in account how contagious the virus is. Ordinarily people don't want to waste their time on conspiracy scares. The Western societies are nowhere close to oppressive surveillance states for which the Socialist People's Republics were famous. That type of trajectory is very unlike to gain traction in near future. I will provide a video, where he shows papers and quotes from high level scientist all over the world basically stating if the virus hadnt been brought to anyones attention there would be really nothing out of the ordinary and the overall death totals are actually down compared to even just the last couple of years. Its up to you or whoever to watch it with an open mind, without that theres really no point. I will quote a few of the prominent doctors on the video to give an idea : "If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR status, the number of deaths due to "influenza tyype illness" would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have noted that the flu season was a bit worse than average".. This one from the founding director of yale prevention research center: "I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this near total meltdown of normal life will be long lasting and calamitious, possibly greater than the virus itself...the unemployment, impoverishment, and despair will be public health scourges of the first order" As long as you are just plugged into the medias narrative, thats all you will see. And theyve already put through legislation things inching ever closer to the scenario I laid out. I have no desire to spoon feed anyone about all this, the information is readily available, and not on "conspiracy" sites , either. anyways, heres the video, I suggest watching from minute 59 through an hour and 40 minutes. The media is not your friend, its basically psychological warfare. The fallout from the lockdowns, emotionally/ and fiinancially,(even if it doesnt lead to greater loss of freedom, which I sincerely doubt) will be much worse than the illness. Its crazy, its like most people have no sense of history. Edited March 30, 2020 by bax44 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bax44 Posted March 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, GSmaster said: Im not very good at math but that doesnt seem right, especially since the total death toll worldwide isnt even 40,000 as of now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GSmaster Posted March 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, bax44 said: Im not very good at math but that doesnt seem right, especially since the total death toll worldwide isnt even 40,000 as of now. its per day, not per year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bax44 Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, GSmaster said: its per day, not per year Ok? the virus has been around for four months, at least. how is it killing 3500 people per day when the death total is at 36,000 right now? According to your chart, that total shouldve been achieved in the last ten days. Like I said, doesnt make sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bax44 Posted March 30, 2020 https://www.theamericanmirror.com/2020/03/video-cbs-news-used-packed-emergency-room-video-from-italy-in-story-about-new-york-hospital-conditions/ Hilarious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GSmaster Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, bax44 said: Ok? the virus has been around for four months, at least. how is it killing 3500 people per day when the death total is at 36,000 right now? According to your chart, that total shouldve been achieved in the last ten days. Like I said, doesnt make sense. the speed of deaths is accelerating as is the spread of the virus, it adds 70000 people every day now it was less than 70000 people few weeks ago Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SirPalomides Posted March 30, 2020 As of March 30th the figure of total deaths worldwide is ~37000; however, taking into account the spread of the virus and the exponential growth of cases/ deaths, 3,233 might work out to being a reasonable extrapolation once the virus peaks worldwide. I don't know, I am not a math man meself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bax44 Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, SirPalomides said: As of March 30th the figure of total deaths worldwide is ~37000; however, taking into account the spread of the virus and the exponential growth of cases/ deaths, 3,233 might work out to being a reasonable extrapolation once the virus peaks worldwide. I don't know, I am not a math man meself. right, so its just a model. He shouldve said so when posting the chart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GSmaster Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, bax44 said: right, so its just a model. He shouldve said so when posting the chart. It is not a model it is an actual stats for today. As we are nowhere near peak, the deaths per day will increase further. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Dont listen to idiots. Edited March 30, 2020 by GSmaster Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SirPalomides Posted March 30, 2020 Yes, as of March 19 it was around 10,000 so there has been a huge jump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SirPalomides Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GSmaster said: It is not a model it is a factual stats for TODAY. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Dont listen to fucking morons, who should have been for long on everyones ignore list. Angry little man. I'm guessing Belgian or Dutch. It says "per day," not "today," laddie. There's still time to learn the magic of reading. Edited March 30, 2020 by SirPalomides 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bax44 Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, GSmaster said: It is not a model it is a factual stats for TODAY. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Dont listen to fucking morons, who should have been for long on everyones ignore list. It isnt "fact" . Im not arguing the cases havent jumped. Your original chart made it appear that that many people were dying every day over the lenght of the virus. Since you didnt clarify what it was actually showing, there was confusion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GSmaster Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, bax44 said: It isnt "fact" . Yes it is, there are 3300 deaths reported today from coronavirus, more than from other diseases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bax44 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GSmaster said: Yes it is, there are 3300 deaths reported today from coronavirus, more than from other diseases. LOL. Ok. Random chart guy. You win Edited March 30, 2020 by bax44 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GSmaster Posted March 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, bax44 said: LOL. Ok. Random chart guy. You win Not my problem you are that much stupid. As is @SirPalomides Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bax44 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GSmaster said: Not my problem you are that much stupid. As is @SirPalomides you are the one who said it was "per day",. then backtracked and said its for "today". Huge difference. Im done talking to you about it , but continue throwing childish insults around. I was simply trying to understand the context of the chart, since it seemed disingenuous. Bye. 21 minutes ago, GSmaster said: its per day, not per year Edited March 30, 2020 by bax44 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GSmaster Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, bax44 said: Huge difference. Im done talking to you about it , but continue throwing insults around. you are incapable of reading the picture, it has quite bold text on it, does not require additional "commentary" you are incapable of making any logic arguments / thoughts in your brain, false assumptions based on what? you have linked your false assumption to my post, i.e put words into my mouth that I did not say Ofcourse it is for today as it is shared today, and yesterday it would be for yesterday. Imagine someone sharing amount of cases but not for today, but 2 weeks ago. Just as irrelevant as your brain matter in 2020. Your the one who has thrown insult first, I dont have to be polite with dipshits, kiddo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
