Loving Women vs Lusting "After" Women

[Heartbreak]

According to ancient taoist belief,

If the guy ejaculates, he loses his yang. The girl does not lose yin but gain yang. If they ejaculate together there is balance in the exchange of energy. If the girl ejaculate but the guy don't, the guy gains her yin.

For gay sex, both men loses yang, nobody gains.

For lesbian sex, no one loses anything. This is also called polishing the mirror.

For idiots who only have the hand, it is the same as a lose lose situation.

 

What is the difference between Loving Women vs Lusting "After" Women?

 

So many people in here talk about how natural and how right it feels to Love Women.. But are you sure you are really Loving Women instead of Lusting "After" Women?

 

If you are a True Man, you should be a True Servant to Women to God to Goddesses to Gods.

 

If you are a True Man, you should learn about non-ejaculatory sex instead of blindly ejaculating your sperms every night all night which will result in the most severe erosion of your body's health, your body's energies which will in turn give you illnesses, death, poverty, bad relationships, lack of energies in meditation etc.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist_sexual_practices

 

Taoist sexual practices (simplified Chinese: 房中术; traditional Chinese: 房中術; pinyin: fángzhōngshù; literally: 'arts of the bedchamber') are the ways Taoists may practice sexual activity. These practices are also known as "Joining Energy" or "The Joining of the Essences". Practitioners believe that by performing these sexual arts, one can stay in good health, and attain longevity or spiritual advancement.

 

Many Taoist practitioners link the loss of ejaculatory fluids to the loss of vital life force: where excessive fluid loss results in premature aging, disease, and general fatigue. While some Taoists contend that one should never ejaculate, others provide a specific formula to determine the maximum amount of regular ejaculations in order to maintain health.[7]

 

The general idea is to limit the loss of fluids as much as possible to the level of your desired practice. As these sexual practices were passed down over the centuries, some practitioners have given less importance to the limiting of ejaculation. Nevertheless, the "retention of the semen" is one of the foundational tenets of Taoist sexual practice.

 

There are different methods to control ejaculation prescribed by the Taoists. In order to avoid ejaculation, the man could do one of several things. He could pull out immediately before orgasm, a method also more recently termed as "coitus conservatus."[9] A second method involved the man applying pressure on the perineum, thus retaining the sperm. While, if done incorrectly can cause a retrograde ejaculation, the Taoists believed that the jing traveled up into the head and "nourished the brain."

 

So the question is if you truly love women and not lust after women, why not practice non-ejaculatory sex in order to give your wife or girlfriend unlimited sexual orgasms?

 

A True Leader Is A True Servant To The Universe, To His Women, To All Beings Of All Existences.

 

If You Think Of Ejaculating Your Sperm All Day Long, You Are Not A Servant Not A Leader.

Edited March 13, 2020 by Heartbreak

[EmeraldHead]

42 minutes ago, Heartbreak said:

A second method involved the man applying pressure on the perineum, thus retaining the sperm

this one is dangerous.

 

You don't have to worry about the extreme loss of pranamaya (since you posted in General) kosha if you have a pulsing and -aware- LDT that keeps you grounded all the time. You don't have to worry about the extreme loss of annamaya kosha ('food' sheath and scientific electricity) if you are healthy, sleep and exercise.

 

I've heard some say you can even strengthen and train the quality of these 'energies' with healthy sxuality. Essentially you are washing them up through the lower chakra :). So while the energies are minimally used up because of -inertia- your mass can be....idk somehow improved in frequency or quality.

Edited March 13, 2020 by EmeraldHead

[Earl Grey]

5 minutes ago, EmeraldHead said:

this one is dangerous.

 

You don't have to worry about the extreme loss of pranamaya (since you posted in General) kosha if you have a pulsing and -aware- LDT. You don't have to worry about the extreme loss of annamaya kosha ('food' sheath and scientific electricity) if you are healthy, sleep and exercise.

 

It is very dangerous.

 

One person on the forum who did this pressure on the perineum for a year ended up with near-permanent damage and constant pain when sitting, and couldn't get help from either TCM doctors or regular doctors.

 

No one should ever try methods individually divorced from a complete practice and without the proper guidance, unless they have a good foundation and understanding, which the OP currently does not. 

[Heartbreak]

There are many ways of sperm retentions not just pressing the perineum.

 

Personally I use variations of the cool draw and big draw.

[ralis]

22 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

It is very dangerous.

 

One person on the forum who did this pressure on the perineum for a year ended up with near-permanent damage and constant pain when sitting, and couldn't get help from either TCM doctors or regular doctors.

 

No one should ever try methods individually divorced from a complete practice and without the proper guidance, unless they have a good foundation and understanding, which the OP currently does not. 

Heartbreaker starting another thread expressing the same existential sexual angst. Why am I not surprised.

 

I can vouch for the dangers around this. In 1986 we studied with Mantak Chia in Minneapolis St. Paul  over the course of several weekends. Over the next several years on at least two occasions while practicing retention methods, very hot energy was stuck in my sacrum which was extremely painful! Luckily I seem to have a way of figuring my way out of self imposed messes. 
 

Your advice is well said and I doubt Heartbreaker will heed the warning. When he is bent over in a fetal position in pain then perhaps he will remember this advise. Or not!

[ralis]

14 minutes ago, Heartbreak said:

There are many ways of sperm retentions not just pressing the perineum.

 

Personally I use variations of the cool draw and big draw.

From your narrative, you have no idea what you are getting into!

 

I posted the “Yo Mama” Frank Zappa song in your other thread and you should listen to it again. 

Edited March 13, 2020 by ralis

[Earl Grey]

8 minutes ago, ralis said:

Heartbreaker starting another thread expressing the same existential sexual angst. Why am I not surprised.

 

I can vouch for the dangers around this. In 1986 we studied with Mantak Chia in Minneapolis St. Paul  over the course of several weekends. Over the next several years on at least two occasions while practicing retention methods, very hot energy was stuck in my sacrum which was extremely painful! Luckily I seem to have a way of figuring my way out of self imposed messes. 
 

Your advice is well said and I doubt Heartbreaker will heed the warning. When he is bent over in a fetal position in pain then perhaps he will remember this advise. Or not!

Of course he won’t listen. The point I made wasn’t just that specific technique—it’s that doing anything of this nature can cause damage, and lo and behold, he’s doing his own variation of techniques, which is even stupider because the original techniques are dangerous and modifying them is worse. Either he will have imperceptible damage at least or he will have unbearable pain and damage later. 
 

He won’t listen and my reply is only because others who read his endless posts will see our conversation and those with enough sense will see it while others can join him in the same pity party that is one step removed from wrist cutting.

 

I suspect the user Lightseeker will become his friend fast too as one posts nonsense with how he offers and asks for help and the other posts bigger nonsense asking for help. Both ignore any advice and will continue to harm themselves irreparably, and no TCM or Ayurveda specialists can help, nor can any Reiki and mumbo jumbo.

Edited March 13, 2020 by Earl Grey

[Heartbreak]

I like to ask any semen practitioners in here if they can share thread links or books or resources on semen retention.

 

Of course Ralis and Earl Grey would jump on me but I don’t care two hoots about them.

[Earl Grey]

2 minutes ago, Heartbreak said:

Of course Ralis and Earl Grey would jump on me but I don’t care two hoots about them.

The feeling is mutual.

[ralis]

7 minutes ago, Heartbreak said:

I like to ask any semen practitioners in here if they can share thread links or books or resources on semen retention.

 

Of course Ralis and Earl Grey would jump on me but I don’t care two hoots about them.

‘Given your incessant preaching here I thought you were the master level expert. What the hell is a semen practitioner? 

Edited March 13, 2020 by ralis

[RiverSnake]

I would personally stay away from Mantak Chia's discourses and techniques in the field of dual cultivation. 

 

On a deeper level....Taoism is a Water Tradition.....when you cultivate Water energy you 'll naturally come to understand how to flow with sexual energy. 

 

I would refrain from being overly Judgmental on any topic.....as you cultivate, your understanding will evolve. Looking back on some posts i made from years ago.....i can only hang my head and sigh.....relax and keep doing your daily practice.  

 

Conserving ones energy is great (whether it be sexual, physical, emotional, mental....etc). If there is a sphere of your life that is chaotic and draining you....naturally this merits attention. One of the goals of basic emptiness meditation is get control of mental energy for a variety of reasons. 

 

Every sphere needs to be adjusted for optimal effect if you want have the most fuel to push you forward. Sexual energy can be quite "Wild"....so it's even more important to have good methods to handle this area properly. This has been talked about a great deal on the forum. 

[Earl Grey]

1 minute ago, ralis said:

‘Given your incessant preaching here I thought you were the master level expert. 

I misread that as “masturbating pervert” initially...

[ralis]

7 minutes ago, RiverSnake said:

I would personally stay away from Mantak Chia's discourses and techniques in the field of dual cultivation. 

 

On a deeper level....Taoism is a Water Tradition.....when you cultivate Water energy you 'll naturally come to understand how to flow with sexual energy. 

 

I would refrain from being overly Judgmental on any topic.....as you cultivate, your understanding will evolve. Looking back on some posts i made from years ago.....i can only hang my head and sigh.....relax and keep doing your daily practice.  

 

Conserving ones energy is great (whether it be sexual, physical, emotional, mental....etc). If there is a sphere of your life that is chaotic and draining you....naturally this merits attention. One of the goals of basic emptiness meditation is get control of mental energy for a variety of reasons. 

 

Every sphere needs to be adjusted for optimal effect if you want have the most fuel to push you forward. Sexual energy can be quite "Wild"....so it's even more important to have good methods to handle this area properly. This has been talked about a great deal on the forum. 

I see what you are saying, but for me that was 33 years ago and I have moved on from that along time ago. I have been through experiences far worse than what I just described. 

Edited March 13, 2020 by ralis

[ralis]

My guess is Heartbreaker is done with this thread and is dreaming up his next one. 

[Earl Grey]

On 3/11/2020 at 2:00 AM, Heartbreak said:

You are so naive. Do you know how many alternatives media Journalists are under threat even in the west? Or especially in the West?

 

Do you not realise that the CIA black ops have a habit of targeting its own citizens particularly if we talk about negative entities or negative aliens who work with big companies to poison and attack humanity in every manner?

 

The Law is only used against anyone who don’t serve the interests of the negative entities or negative aliens.

 

On 3/11/2020 at 4:41 AM, Heartbreak said:

I have more than 1 master, internet and real life masters and teachers who are guiding and teaching me, who have even appeared in my dreams.

 

Lay Teachers are also available to teach any who wish to learn.

 

I have never liked the way monks and monasteries kept their mouth shut and how you need to learn the basics in order to evolve.

 

What do you mean by basics anyway? Simple focussing on your breathing in and out? I do agree that’s fundamental although I have access to much higher teachings.

 

1 hour ago, ralis said:

My guess is Heartbreaker is done with this thread and is dreaming up his next one. 

Remember that he considers the Internet his master as well as his dreams. Schizophrenic episode or not, I won’t fuel his fire nor will I allow others to fall for his self-serving logic that will only damage him in each thread, and them too if they follow his example, which sadly are a common group of misguided and self-certain individuals who are on reddit.

[EmeraldHead]

1 hour ago, Heartbreak said:

I like to ask any semen practitioners in here if they can share thread links or books or resources on semen retention.

Honestly Heartbreaker, I would look to the hindus. The stories of olden Brahmacharys would have them do amazing feats. Far beyond anything we have on camera on the internet. Point is, Brahmacharya is just body training at the end of the day. It won't take the yogi to liberation. Brahmacharya should give massive, massive siddhis to show that it actually does something. Truth is you see, Brahmacharya is simply not the celibacy of the common man. Newton and Tesla were two pale faced men with not that great dreams which were never realised at the end of their lives.

 

We need to think bigger with our practice. Start by engaging your imagination. You read something great a practice leads to. Now figure on your own something even greater and more amazing about it.

 

Anyway, just my thoughts on it. Hope   helps.

[rideforever]

Yin and Yang ... are creative, they are the creative union. 

Everything else is death, only the Yin Yang union creates. 

Children are one example of this but it works on all levels. 

That Creation is the magic of life ... that is the origin of everything, at all levels, it is a secret force that emerges when the Yin and Yang partake in the union.
Everything else is perishing, falling, crumbling.

 

Our society is a consumer society, everything is eaten up. 

It eats what was created by previous generations; and it does not give back.

If this continues it will perish.  Only a producer society a creative society can survive. 

That is why it is said, when yin and yang divide, death follows.

 

But if one has such high minded ideas and walks into life he is deluding himself; start where you are.  Be comfortable with yourself, your life ... don't press your self righteousness onto the faces of others.  >although it is good to have high goals  Find your tribe.

 

What is a man job ?  Is it to slither on the floor talking about compassion and dreaming of daisies ?

If he does that ... who will take care of business ?

If he is not going to do it ... then others will have to do his work for him.

Who will do what needs to be done, with no commission and no omission ?
Who will give everything in one moment, and then forget it in the next ... so it will last forever ?

 

---------------

 

The consumer society is consuming human beings. 

Now that money is plastic rather than gold ... the real currency is how many human souls you control.

The functions of human beings are being consumed one by one. 

Their mind, their sexuality ... their health ... all will be consumed, until nothing is left.

That is when "materialism" (miserable-ism) infects a society and they look for their answers down ... rather than up.

Look up.

Edited March 13, 2020 by rideforever

[Walker]

4 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

I like to ask any semen practitioners in here if they can share thread links or books or resources on semen retention.

 

Well, Broken Hearted one, I must confess that I am not a Semen Practitioner, but fear not, they do exist.

 

The person you seek is Master Shifu Stella Ralfini.

 

Here is one of her articles, which I'm sure you'll find as refreshing as a cool rain splish-splashing upon your cheeks on a sultry summer's afternoon (it starts with a reference to Daoism! Wow!) :

 

 

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Scientific facts and application of semen beauty mask

There is a Taoist order of nuns in China called White Tigress society, who apparently use semen all over their bodies to prevent skin ageing. My question is how the saucy minxes harvest so much of the stuff!

 

In your case, since we are only talking about the face – and I’m assuming you’re in a loving relationship and have no sexual hang ups, your husband/partner can provide your weekly beauty mask.

 

Spermine (one of the ingredients in semen) is featured in expensive cosmetic creams that cost upwards of £200. Spermine is an antioxidant known to reduce wrinkles and alleviate acne but why pay such extortionate prices for something that’s free? Semen contains ascorbic acid (vitamin C), magnesium, phosphorous, blood antigen enzymes, potassium, vitamin B12, zinc, nitrogen and calcium so is an amazingly healthy treat for the skin – and listen to this, it also contains serotonin and melatonin so might even induce restful sleep when the mask is washed off half an hour after application.

 

In Tantra tradition, the mask is generally used when opting for mutual self-pleasuring as opposed to vaginal interaction and since women don’t always fancy full on sex is a useful alternative with a bonus (if you are willing to try it).

Semen mask application:  When your partner ejaculates onto his stomach, scoop it from there and apply it to your face and neck.

 

I have no idea why I caused so much fuss when I initially raised this subject, but I guess if you don’t follow Tantra, the idea of rubbing semen on your skin could sound gruesome. The reason I mentioned it then was to promote my book ‘Three Faces of Sex,’ which takes an in depth look at Tantra practices. However, that was never referred to in the press coverage I received.

 

Bull semen, due to its high protein content has become a popular ingredient in hair products. Normally mixed with a plant called Katera, it is used in swanky hairdressers around the world (including Hari’s in Knightsbridge) as a hair thickener and known as ‘Viagra for hair.’  Clients don’t know the bull from their Uncle Tom but they’re happy to have their heads slathered with its semen. I personally wouldn’t rub anything on my hair that comes from a bull. For a start its penis is three foot long  – which makes me feel squeamish...

 

 

Well, let us know how your skin looks after trying this one! P.S. if you meet and White Tigress Society ladies during your adventures, please ask them where their secret clubhouse is and when is a good time to visit, thanks!

[senseless virtue]

Semen retention is meant for old men who don't have much sexual libido.

 

Curtailing a young man's libido forcefully, which seems to be a readily applied attitude for many of the wayward practices marketed under this genre, will not give a peace of heart, but on the very contrary. A lusty heart full of volatile and perverse emotions will emerge and then it's not far anymore that the heart-fire escapes. The end result will be energy flushing into head and having a serious mental derangement.

[Rara]

9 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

According to ancient taoist belief,

If the guy ejaculates, he loses his yang. The girl does not lose yin but gain yang. If they ejaculate together there is balance in the exchange of energy. If the girl ejaculate but the guy don't, the guy gains her yin.

For gay sex, both men loses yang, nobody gains.

For lesbian sex, no one loses anything. This is also called polishing the mirror.

For idiots who only have the hand, it is the same as a lose lose situation.

 

No.

[Rara]

9 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

What is the difference between Loving Women vs Lusting "After" Women?

 

Love and lust have two different definitions.

 

dictionary.com

 

[Rara]

9 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

If you are a True Man, you should be a True Servant to Women to God to Goddesses to Gods.

 

If you are a True Man, you should learn about non-ejaculatory sex instead of blindly ejaculating your sperms every night all night which will result in the most severe erosion of your body's health, your body's energies which will in turn give you illnesses, death, poverty, bad relationships, lack of energies in meditation etc.

 

 

I'm delighted that you have the option to blow your load all night with a lady, and the choice not to.

[Rara]

9 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

So the question is if you truly love women and not lust after women, why not practice non-ejaculatory sex in order to give your wife or girlfriend unlimited sexual orgasms?

 

Because she might think there is something wrong with you. Or even her.

[Rara]

9 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

A True Leader Is A True Servant To The Universe, To His Women, To All Beings Of All Existences.

 

If You Think Of Ejaculating Your Sperm All Day Long, You Are Not A Servant Not A Leader.

 

Whut?

[Rara]

9 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

Many Taoist practitioners link the loss of ejaculatory fluids to the loss of vital life force: where excessive fluid loss results in premature aging, disease, and general fatigue.

 

Key words:

 

"Many"

 

"Excessive"

 

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