There are Dark Government Agents in Dao Bums seeking to discredit sincere spiritual practitioners.

[Heartbreak]

1 minute ago, MegaMind said:

 

What starjumper posted is not Mo Pai, that is not what we practice.

 

Here is a short video of John (1 minute, 49 seconds):

 

And a video of his student Jim passing his exam ( 2 minutes and 17 seconds)

 

 

Well thank you for the information. I have all mo pai ebooks on the market so I know how basic and incomplete the information is.

 

If you wanna squabble about Mo Pai which is not a danger at all to anyone, please start another thread without my participation.

[Heartbreak]

Just now, MegaMind said:

 

It isn't Mo Pai that is dangerous, it is people who want to alter the practice and change it because they are "eclectic" and want to absorb multiple teachings and combine them into something new and improved, or people who refuse to follow required safety precautions because they don't believe there is any chance they can get injured.

 

These always ends in catastrophe, and then Mo Pai gets the blame for their health problems.

Right I hope you’re not a dark government agent yourself using mo pai to detract my thread about semen retention.

[MegaMind]

26 minutes ago, ralis said:

MoPai will stress out and damage the cardiovascular system. There are documented cases of this occurring. 

 

I've never heard of anyone being injured so long as they can follow instructions exactly, and observe the safety precautions required.

 

Sadly people who can do this aren't so common.

 

The folks that are attracted to Mo Pai would usually make good candidates for "people of walmart".

Edited March 15, 2020 by MegaMind

[Earl Grey]

5 minutes ago, Heartbreak said:

None of your business. If you are not happy with my threads feel free to not troll in any of them.

Preventing others from doing things as dangerous and harmful as you are is indeed my business—we have helped many with qi deviations.

 

You are actually the troll according to the rules of Sean and basically good taste and manners on this forum. It’s like you were raised by your mobile devices and conspiracies on reddit and YouTube.

[Walker]

3 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

It isn't Mo Pai that is dangerous, it is people who want to alter the practice and change it because they are "eclectic" and want to absorb multiple teachings and combine them into something new and improved, or people who refuse to follow required safety precautions because they don't believe there is any chance they can get injured.

 

Don't forget the other problem that you graciously admitted to after 40+ pages, which is that nobody in your club was a formal disciple in the late John Chang's lineage, and nor were any of your teachers. Since "pai" (派) means lineage and indicates formal initiation, this means that saying "Mo Pai" is actually a misnomer if you try to use it to describe what you and your friends are practicing.

[MegaMind]

5 minutes ago, Heartbreak said:

Well thank you for the information. I have all mo pai ebooks on the market so I know how basic and incomplete the information is.

 

If you wanna squabble about Mo Pai which is not a danger at all to anyone, please start another thread without my participation.

 

Yeah you know those ebooks, they are not what was taught.

 

Shifu Lin's material is fake.

 

The instructions attributed to Jim have been altered to remove everything that matters.

 

All the other ebooks by James Van Gelder are disinformation.

 

None of that is Mo Pai.

[Earl Grey]

4 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

 

It isn't Mo Pai that is dangerous, it is people who want to alter the practice and change it because they are "eclectic" and want to absorb multiple teachings and combine them into something new and improved, or people who refuse to follow required safety precautions because they don't believe there is any chance they can get injured.

 

These always ends in catastrophe, and then Mo Pai gets the blame for their health problems.

Well, if you have safety precautions, the usual response to people who ignore them then come crying about it are whom I would only say that they’re equivalent to people who don’t buckle their seatbelt and try to sue the car rental agency for getting into an accident.

 

Good luck dealing with Heartbreak—I think a better name for him is Headache because that’s what he is to many of us here.

[MegaMind]

38 minutes ago, Heartbreak said:

 

It is over exaggerated. Even Jerry Alan Johnson and Mantak Chia have so much more materials than Mo Pai.

 

Quality > Quantity

[MegaMind]

8 minutes ago, Heartbreak said:

Right I hope you’re not a dark government agent yourself using mo pai to detract my thread about semen retention.

 

No I am not.

[MegaMind]

4 minutes ago, Walker said:

 

Don't forget the other problem that you graciously admitted to after 40+ pages, which is that nobody in your club was a formal disciple in the late John Chang's lineage, and nor were any of your teachers. Since "pai" (派) means lineage and indicates formal initiation, this means that saying "Mo Pai" is actually a misnomer if you try to use it to describe what you and your friends are practicing.

 

Both Jim and Kosta were formal students of John Baharudin (John Chang).

 

Many in our group studied in person with Jim, others with Kosta.

[Walker]

6 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

Both Jim and Kosta were formal students of John Baharudin (John Chang).

 

Many in our group studied in person with Jim, others with Kosta.

 

You already admitted they were not formally inducted into the 墨派.

 

Stop obfuscating, or the Bulls jerseys come back out, slam dunky. 

[MegaMind]

1 minute ago, Walker said:

 

You already admitted they were not formally inducted into the 墨派.

 

Stop obfuscating, or the Bulls jerseys come back out, slam dunky. 

 

Jim and Kosta were legitimate students, and many in our group studied with them in person.

 

In addition to that we retain the videos of John providing Jim with instruction.

 

The ebooks these scammers peddle about "real" mo pai have absolutely no resemblance whatsoever to what John actually taught.

 

We are not claiming to represent the Indonesian Mo Pai school, only to preserve what Jim and Kosta brought back from John and nothing more.

[Walker]

Just now, MegaMind said:

Jim and Kosta were legitimate students, and many in our group studied with them in person.

 

Right. And in the Chinese arts, legitimate student (學生) is never mistaken for disciple (徒弟、弟子、門生). Disciple is never mistaken for lineage holder (傳人) or inheritor of teaching responsibilities (接班人).

 

You guys are a long way from being able to legitimately call yourselves "Mo Pai." Nobody can or will stop you, but we can always remind you. 

 

Just now, MegaMind said:

We are not claiming to represent the Indonesian Mo Pai school, only to preserve what Jim and Kosta brought back from John and nothing more.

 

Good. One day when you are more mature you will see why it would be a wise, honest, and noble thing to do to pick a more accurate name for your club. 

[MegaMind]

12 minutes ago, Walker said:

 

Right. And in the Chinese arts, legitimate student (學生) is never mistaken for disciple (徒弟、弟子、門生). Disciple is never mistaken for lineage holder (傳人) or inheritor of teaching responsibilities (接班人).

 

You guys are a long way from being able to legitimately call yourselves "Mo Pai." Nobody can or will stop you, but we can always remind you. 

 

 

Good. One day when you are more mature you will see why it would be a wise, honest, and noble thing to do to pick a more accurate name for your club. 

 

If it weren't for us all that would be available would be more Shifu Lin, James Van Gelder nonsense.

 

We don't place a label on ourselves, you and your friends do that.

 

We merely preserve what John taught Jim and Kosta, nothing more and nothing less.

Edited March 15, 2020 by MegaMind

[Walker]

Just now, MegaMind said:

If it weren't for us all that would be available would be more Shifu Lin, James Van Gelder nonsense.

 

That is neither here nor there.

 

Just now, MegaMind said:

We don't place a label on ourselves, you and your friends do that.

 

Do you or do you not refer to yourselves as the "Mo Pai?"

[MegaMind]

Just now, Walker said:

 

That is neither here nor there.

 

 

Do you or do you not refer to yourselves as the "Mo Pai?"

 

We preserve what Jim and Kosta brought back from John. 

 

We don't stick a label on that, you do.

[Walker]

5 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

We don't stick a label on that, you do.

 

 

Yawn.

[MegaMind]

3 minutes ago, Walker said:

 

 

Yawn.

 

Yeah because:

 

theguyswhopreservejimsvideosofjohngivinginstructiontohimsothatotherpeoplecanlearnwhatjohnactuallytaught@outlook.com

 

rolls off the tongue so much better.

Edited March 15, 2020 by MegaMind

[Walker]

5 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

Yeah because:

 

theguyswhopreservejimsvideosofjohngivinginstructiontohimsothatotherpeoplecanlearnwhatjohnactuallytaught@outlook.com

 

rolls off the tongue so much better.

 

That is actually more honest, except of course you can only teach a fraction of what John taught, and no more than 2.7% of the whole Mo Pai system. 

 

You act as though there are only two choices. You could make up a totally original name. "The Introductory Mohist Neigong Preservation Society," [email protected]. Be creative.

 

Or keep calling yourselves Mo Pai,

 

And keep dealing with threads like this.

 

Your choice...

 

[Spotless]

(may is suggest to others  to utilize the “ignore” option - and not help him in the addiction to the non-self fulfilling good vs evil myopic and the sewer mind it invariably generates. This is straight out of the dying religions monologue)

[gatito]

2 hours ago, Spotless said:

(may is suggest to others  to utilize the “ignore” option - and not help him in the addiction to the non-self fulfilling good vs evil myopic and the sewer mind it invariably generates. This is straight out of the dying religions monologue)

 

 

 

 

 

[MegaMind]

10 hours ago, Walker said:

 

That is actually more honest, except of course you can only teach a fraction of what John taught, and no more than 2.7% of the whole Mo Pai system. 

 

You act as though there are only two choices. You could make up a totally original name. "The Introductory Mohist Neigong Preservation Society," [email protected]. Be creative.

 

Or keep calling yourselves Mo Pai,

 

And keep dealing with threads like this.

 

Your choice...

 

 

 

Mo Pai is what this system is known as, so we aren't going to change our email address, or forum URL.

 

We are not claiming we are some official institution where you come in and get a certificate and a membership card.

 

We merely preserve what Jim and Kosta brought back from John, and nothing more.

 

We are not claiming to be anything more than that.

 

[EmeraldHead]

37 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

We merely preserve what Jim and Kosta brought back from John, and nothing more.

 

We are not claiming to be anything more than that.

do you let people in your group mix practice with other systems or exercises?

[MegaMind]

27 minutes ago, EmeraldHead said:

do you let people in your group mix practice with other systems or exercises?

 

Every known instance of people getting injured with regards to Mo Pai boiled down to incorrect practice.

 

There are those who read Shifu Lin, James Van Gelder, and Jeff McDuffie's, etc. instructions and get injured because that is not what was taught, and then they blame Mo Pai when they are hospitalized.

 

Some choose to ignore the safety precautions which must be followed, because they don't believe their is any risk to their health and then blame Mo Pai when they are hospitalized.

 

Others choose to blend practices together because they are eclectic, and believe they can create a new and improved practice by doing so, they too blame Mo Pai when they are hospitalized.

 

In all of these instances the people are not following instruction exactly, and are doing something different.

 

We do not want the liability both legally and karmically for being involved with such people.

 

If you want to mix, match, and blend together practices you will need to speak with someone else.

Edited March 15, 2020 by MegaMind

[ilumairen]

 

16 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

Others choose to blend practices together because they are eclectic, and believe they can create a new and improved practice by doing so, they too blame Mo Pai when they are hospitalized.

 

May I ask what people have been hospitalized for? What conditions were they treated (or seeking treatment) for?