Brain cleansing in the internal arts

[silent thunder]

10 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

Sure Wang Liping does it by charging fools 10000$ for a few days of a seminar once a year, and posting an extra about how if less than 20-30 people enroll, they will have to cover his 3000 Euros per day, of Wang Lipings daily expenses.

 

It is kind of silly to ask why a guy for 500.000$ payed in cash on 1 week seminar, is acting nice and sweet. Try getting him in his personal time away and for free and we will see if he is capable of putting the big picture across and behave nicely.

 

I have heard reports of the most unethical behavior and scam from Wang Liping's senior students, go guess where they got it from.

 

I am not even going to ask, how do you plan to "learn from master" in a large group. All serious teaching is done 1 on 1, with 1 teacher and 1 student, not a group of 50 100 200 people.

 

I dont know what you could spend 3000 euros a day living in europe, thats the kind of money people use to rent high class escorts.

 

From what I have read so far on this board, you have been on just one seminar of his, and claim you are his student.

At the same time you are trying to flatter the "Teacher" as high as possible to get more "ego benefits" from claiming that you are his student. 

It is so obvious for anyone who has a brain and eyes to see.

You are not a part of any longmen lineage after visiting 1 public access seminar.

Hi and welcome back.

 

Your words and actions come across like traffic sounds for all they reveal of your awareness.

 

They lack substance, and stem from an unqualified observer.

 

Irrelevant and Insipid.

 

carry on ignoring me mate... I'm not looking for feeding fan boys and haven't accepted a student in 14 years.

Edited March 22, 2020 by silent thunder

[GSmaster]

Just now, silent thunder said:

haven't accepted a student in 14 years.

 

Nobody wants to become your student.

 

I dont want to become Wang Lipings student either.

 

1 minute ago, silent thunder said:

from an unqualified observer.

 

Buy one public seminar for several thousand $$$

 

Keep talking about it for 10 years on forums, to make bigger return on investments, right.

[silent thunder]

18 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

And you've gotta be cruel to be kind in the right measure...

 

 

perhaps in the highest of skills...

though more often it seems to stem from the 'this is for your own good' school of teaching through bullying and intimidation.

 

Who among us knows just how much untruth another must encounter before they awaken to their true nature?

Am I the Arbiter of What is good for all?

 

Even buddha walked his middle way.

 

Not the Middle way.

[silent thunder]

3 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

Nobody wants to become your student.

 

I dont want to become Wang Lipings student either.

 

mission accomplished.

3 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

Buy one public seminar for several thousand $$$

 

Keep talking about it for 10 years on forums, to make bigger return on investments, right.

give a man a fish...

 

teach him to fish...

 

peace.

[Earl Grey]

36 minutes ago, silent thunder said:

Even buddha walked his middle way.

 

Not the Middle way.

 

Correct--and goes well with what I mentioned earlier about the certainty of others. 

 

Since you mentioned the Buddha, I'll tell you about a funny story about someone with certainty about the Middle Path. 

 

My sister's roommate would lecture her about her life decisions and dating life, saying "Buddha said this, Buddha does that" but said roommate had only ever read, "If the Buddha dated" and attributed quotes to the Buddha that were actually said by Oprah.

 

The same was also done with people claiming they were quoting the Tao Te Ching but also quoting Oprah. Roomie basically began wearing the saffron robes every time she opened her mouth and then removing them (and whatever shred of dignity that remained) every time someone challenged her (namely me) to summarize the Diamond Sutra in 20 words or less or how "Buddha" dating looks different in Theravada, Vajrayana, and Zen traditions compared to feel good books in the Dating and Relationships section of the bookstore. 

 

Roomie's love for the Buddha dating magically disappeared once she herself began dating again, and my sister began repeating the same annoying phrases she said back to her--using a tape recorder with Roomie's own voice saying the same platitudes multiple times, much to the frustration of Roomie. 

 

The only middle path I can think of that is appealing to me at this moment is being between the bed and bedsheets right now. 

 

36 minutes ago, silent thunder said:

perhaps in the highest of skills...

though more often it seems to stem from the 'this is for your own good' school of teaching through bullying and intimidation.

 

Digression aside, there's no problem with people choosing to follow their own paths--the problem, again, if it isn't clear, is people telling others that their path is shit because others don't know and yet revealing that they themselves don't know that much either. 

 

A geographer isn't on the same level as a flat earther...different paths, yes, but the flat earther can't tell the geographer he doesn't know, and the geographer can describe the scientific consensus, but now the flat earther treats it as an imposition of religious dogma rather than statement of facts. 

 

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Anyway, the OP was on brain cleansing, and we can chat about spiritual egalitarianism again and again, but what my hope is that personal values and beliefs stemming from stubborn dogma for their system, however questionable it may be, does not lead to a flat earther saying an actual researcher in the field doesn't know anything. It is again the fruits of the practice: knowing and knowing what we don't know, rather than not knowing while claiming to know. A cultivator's perception changes drastically, and you can get there via meditation, training in the cultivation arts, and so on, and as you are alluding to here, spiritual maturity as a form of intelligence too. 

Edited March 22, 2020 by Earl Grey
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[GSmaster]

Being nice to someone is not a skill and has no relation to cultivation of any sort.

You dont become nice after you fill dantien, you dont become nice after you gain siddhi, you dont have to be nice to people who consistently shit on your head and show disrespect.

 

I dont get why this forum ends so much in moral-fagging.

 

I can guess that people who cannot cultivate and develop siddhi, are spending their time pretending to be nice, to then compare themselves with others on the forum who are not "nice" and say haha I have higher level.

 

Nobody cares.

 

But when you cannot discuss cultivation, personal practical experience, it is painfully obvious for any practitioner that you are not up there.

[GSmaster]

1 hour ago, silent thunder said:

Your words and actions come across like traffic sounds for all they reveal of your awareness.

 

They lack substance, and stem from an unqualified observer.

 

Irrelevant and Insipid.

 

carry on ignoring me mate... I'm not looking for

 

I am always open to constructive and honest discussions on cultivation.

 

I am not looking to read your moral faggotry.

 

This thread was about brain development from qi practice, not about wang liping being the nicest guy in the whole world.

[silent thunder]

you mad bro?

[silent thunder]

3 hours ago, mrpasserby said:

Beautifully said! As I read your words, I could picture a folksoul/mass as it should be where the teacher exercises his practiced connection to the gatherings heightened collectieve energie, and then focus the energy to bring first one, then another and another of his students into transcendence. Thank you for this.

 

*bow of respect*

 

Natural communal growth through mutual benefit reveals what is highest to me, not derision of weakness.

This repeatedly has been illustrated through the evaporation of illusions of my former paradigm of individual achievement.

Focusing on what is wrong is... focusing on what is wrong.

 

Build a model that renders what is wrong irrelevant.

Play to strengths, uplift.  Connect.

 

All my most influential teachers shared this aspect.

Many of them 'normal' non lineage people.  But consumately connected.

And not all of them human for the record. (but that's another trail)

 

The reason we have teams is that in teaming we play to each other's strengths, not deride and spend energy on the weaknesses.

Whatever we feed, grows. 

 

Feed what you despise... it grows.

 

Fighting what you hate depletes your stores.

Nurturing what you love increases your potential and that of who your connected with.

 

High skill is communally beneficial.

 

I'm reminded of the Sage like woman who pairs up Parolees with Pit Bulls who need fostering.

In connecting with these dogs and finding ways to help them assimilate into human culture, the parolees find themselves healing along with the dogs as they connect and mutually bring benefit to each other.

 

Win Win Win.

 

Feed what you love for the win.

Edited March 23, 2020 by silent thunder
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[Earl Grey]

3 hours ago, silent thunder said:

you mad bro?

Not at all. Hope your weekend equinox was good.

[silent thunder]

1 hour ago, Earl Grey said:

Not at all. Hope your weekend equinox was good.

I know you're not mad my friend.

That was for another.

 

 

[dwai]

When there is an overwhelming need to be correct, there is an insecurity of being not correct. 

Most of us have to go through that gate and then we grow up  

 

[Earl Grey]

1 minute ago, dwai said:

When there is an overwhelming need to be correct, there is an insecurity of being not correct. 

Most of us have to go through that gate and then we grow up  

 

 

Yeah, now here's a common story: 

 

Imagine you are surrounded by people who think they know what they're talking about--let's say they believe Santa Claus is a Cuban Jew who discovered San Diego. You try to show them that San Diego was not discovered by Santa Claus, Santa Claus is neither Cuban nor Jewish, and Santa Claus doesn't even exist. 

 

They spend all their time flooding you with arguments and attacking your reasoning, often gaslighting, then making you feel dumb about yourself and question if you're wrong or right. 

 

This is how abuse victims live too. 

 

Wrong or right are as dangerous as having fundamentally poor understanding of something like cultivation made worse with self-certainty. 

[dwai]

2 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

 

Yeah, now here's a common story: 

 

Imagine you are surrounded by people who think they know what they're talking about--let's say they believe Santa Claus is a Cuban Jew who discovered San Diego. You try to show them that San Diego was not discovered by Santa Claus, Santa Claus is neither Cuban nor Jewish, and Santa Claus doesn't even exist. 

 

They spend all their time flooding you with arguments and attacking your reasoning, often gaslighting, then making you feel dumb about yourself and question if you're wrong or right. 

If you know what you know is right, where is the room for self-doubt? Direct experience trumps all other forms of knowing. Those who haven't experienced directly, can rely on other forms of knowing (or even delusional forms of knowing, such as imagining something).  

 

2 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

 

This is how abuse victims live too. 

That is a different story. Abuse victims usually have no power and are unable to walk away/out of a bad situation. Why give some strangers so much power over oneself on the internet? Is there room for self-reflection for us in such a scenario? 

 

I'm not particularly pointing towards anyone. It's more a commentary on a trait I notice among most people, myself included. Even if we don't react, there might be a disturbance that is created when someone disagrees with us. 

2 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

 

Wrong or right are as dangerous as having fundamentally poor understanding of something like cultivation made worse with self-certainty. 

We are in agreement  

[GSmaster]

This thread is quite revealing as for whom the internal practice does not cleanse or improve brain function.

 

People not capable of wording coherent messages, understanding or reading the topic of the thread and jumping in with some bogus irrelevant offtopic discussions.

 

Saying something as dumb as this 

 

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You are right your siddhis are minor. I can feel what you're capable of but you can only feel the 3 in me. Yet very arrogant still. @EmeraldHead

 

and then just hiding in the bushes, when opportunity comes to prove the point and explain or back up your "arguments".

 

Its beyond me why people even come to forum if they cannot proceed with communication. You are free to have any viewpoint, but when you are incapable of expressing it, thats quite sad. That would be an Iq less than 20.