Burl Posted March 10, 2008 School doesn't have a civilizing effect beyond reading and writing from a historical perspective. Â Scientists are hammering out our future living environments. Â The original purpose of the internet was to connect scientifically inclined minds from where ever they happen to be on the globe. Â Even as we speak somewhere on some forum scientists discuss the various merits and disadvantages of forms that make up our present or future paradigms. Â Everyone knows scientists are more interested in their field of study than in making a profit. (so they will go on investigating whether they are paid or not) Â Already a fellow in Tahiti is discussing waste recycling with a fellow in New York while someone in Dublin listens in. Â And the great advancements will be made this way. of course Beecher/Kline or Sunoco and other profit orientated businesses would rather the scientific discoveries be made under their own control for patent reasons; They know scientists work for peanuts. Â Young minds will naturally veer to their topics of interest thru the internet. Of course the status-quo pushes sex&violence as two sides of the same coin of birth&death. It may be that society needs the titilation of sex and violence to round out it's existence. one may make the argument that beyond reading&writing school is basicaly a training ground for sex and violence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taoist81 Posted March 10, 2008 School doesn't have a civilizing effect beyond reading and writing from a historical perspective. Â Scientists are hammering out our future living environments. Â The original purpose of the internet was to connect scientifically inclined minds from where ever they happen to be on the globe. Â Even as we speak somewhere on some forum scientists discuss the various merits and disadvantages of forms that make up our present or future paradigms. Â Everyone knows scientists are more interested in their field of study than in making a profit. (so they will go on investigating whether they are paid or not) Â Already a fellow in Tahiti is discussing waste recycling with a fellow in New York while someone in Dublin listens in. Â And the great advancements will be made this way. of course Beecher/Kline or Sunoco and other profit orientated businesses would rather the scientific discoveries be made under their own control for patent reasons; They know scientists work for peanuts. Â Young minds will naturally veer to their topics of interest thru the internet. Of course the status-quo pushes sex&violence as two sides of the same coin of birth&death. It may be that society needs the titilation of sex and violence to round out it's existence. one may make the argument that beyond reading&writing school is basicaly a training ground for sex and violence. Â Where are you finding these saintly scientists working without pay (other than in universities where they are working for merit and the university is receiving the funding)? Keep in mind of course that real, qualified scientific research requires funding for proper equipment and other necessities of protocol. The biggest advances in science since the dawn of the 20th century have been funded either by profit or war (or by sex in the case of advances in recording and playback technologies promoted by the porn industry). Now we have these great things like the X Prize where groups are providing monetary awards for more beneficial technological advances, but again, even there you need funding. Even these wonderful gadgets commonly called computers that we use to access the internet (which again was inspired by missle-defense planning) are made more efficient and more affordable by those nasty "for profit" companies. The vast majority of scientists are likely underpaid, but it is still their job, and they still require money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Burl Posted March 10, 2008 Combing The Mad March Hair  Where are you finding these saintly scientists working without pay (other than in universities where they are working for merit and the university is receiving the funding)? Keep in mind of course that real, qualified scientific research requires funding for proper equipment and other necessities of protocol. The biggest advances in science since the dawn of the 20th century have been funded either by profit or war (or by sex in the case of advances in recording and playback technologies promoted by the porn industry). Now we have these great things like the X Prize where groups are providing monetary awards for more beneficial technological advances, but again, even there you need funding. Even these wonderful gadgets commonly called computers that we use to access the internet (which again was inspired by missle-defense planning) are made more efficient and more affordable by those nasty "for profit" companies. The vast majority of scientists are likely underpaid, but it is still their job, and they still require money.    Thankyou for your interest; I propose that we are all scientists (paid or not) working on the mindset of reality itself, which introduces the meditation whether the unintentional goof of (minus 7) was a result of the intentional goof of Tahiti, New York and Dublin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taoist81 Posted March 10, 2008 Combing The Mad March Hair Thankyou for your interest; I propose that we are all scientists (paid or not) working on the mindset of reality itself, which introduces the meditation whether the unintentional goof of (minus 7) was a result of the intentional goof of Tahiti, New York and Dublin. Â Under that loose definition of "scientist" perhaps, most of us are. However, to fit any definition of "scientist" one would need to be using the scientific method, which, unfortunately many people today do not do. Too many people believe things about "reality" despite clear logical evidence otherwise. By your definition Intelligent Design proponents would be considered scientists, and they are not. Re: meditation/mysticism This is one area that Crowley (To Mega Therion) seemed to really have a good point on. He said that every experience, especially religious/mystical ones, should be rigorously tested with skepticism. The motto of his Equinox (and thereby of the A.'.A.'.) was "The method of science, the aim of religion". That seems like something that is really needed nowadays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Burl Posted March 10, 2008 Valid points. Sometimes 'rigorous scientific testing' conflicts with compassionate considerations, resulting in less than scientific conditions or at least an understanding of why the Romans may have thrown Christians to the lions instead of going in themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites