GOETIA

[Lightseeker]

Hello all good and wise light seeker here. Is anyone familiar With Goetia here? Meaning have you invoked spirits for material purposes? If so which ones and how did it go. Also I’m assuming you then have control over HGA...

[Lightseeker]

28 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

WTF is HGA?

 

Holy Guardian Angel. The highest achievement one may gain in a lifetime 

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Lightseeker said:

Hello all good and wise light seeker here. Is anyone familiar With Goetia here? Meaning have you invoked spirits for material purposes? If so which ones and how did it go. Also I’m assuming you then have control over HGA...

 

Have you checked the

 

https://www.thedaobums.com/forum/223-esoteric-and-occult-discussion/

 

its full of talk about that subject ... and somewhere contains pics of my temple and set up .

 

Anyway , for this post :   yes, I have been familiar with it . Yes I did invoke spirits for material (and other ) purposes .  It went well ... no great disasters  or insanities  resulted .... the material results took some time to manifest though .

 

Dont assume I have control over my HGA  ..... it might just be the other way around 

 

(also in those writings in esoteric and occult I examine an historical origin for  HGA concept  in ancient Zoroastrianism . )  

[Lightseeker]

11 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

Have you checked the

 

https://www.thedaobums.com/forum/223-esoteric-and-occult-discussion/

 

its full of talk about that subject ... and somewhere contains pics of my temple and set up .

 

Anyway , for this post :   yes, I have been familiar with it . Yes I did invoke spirits for material (and other ) purposes .  It went well ... no great disasters  or insanities  resulted .... the material results took some time to manifest though .

 

Dont assume I have control over my HGA  ..... it might just be the other way around 

 

(also in those writings in esoteric and occult I examine an historical origin for  HGA concept  in ancient Zoroastrianism . )  

Which did you evoke? Any interesting ones like dantalion, sitri or paimon?

[Nungali]

12 hours ago, Lightseeker said:

Which did you evoke? Any interesting ones like dantalion, sitri or paimon?

 

 

[Lightseeker]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

 

Ah you want to make me do the work of matching the sigil to a demon? Lmao

[Lightseeker]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

 

Alright what did task did B-NE perform for you

[Nungali]

20 minutes ago, Lightseeker said:

Ah you want to make me do the work of matching the sigil to a demon? Lmao

 

Alright then .... pick up your arse and reattach it .

 

Then try reading around the outside of the sigil.

[Nungali]

52 minutes ago, Lightseeker said:

Alright what did task did B-NE perform for you

 

Nearly .

 

Now try reading ALL the letters .

 

There was not just one 'task' , it's a bit more complicated than that .

 

Here is a hint ;   certain 'Daimones'  are categorised  under certain traits or subjects  and specialise in certain things .  The 'tasks' they best 'perform'   are those associated with each one .

 

Try this ;   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bune

 

realising that the transliteration into modern language, a la Wiki , may give poor results  ( eg.  "  ... making devils gather around graves"  -  Oh dear ! ).

 

However it does relate the relationship to Isis [ and in my case, a previously 'adopted' *  ' agathodaimon'  under the legion of Isis (another Goddess - in the aspect of 'Stella Maris' )   ,  but 'above' the  'Duke' level  of Bune .]

 

* adopted, in the sense that I was adopted , not that I adopted her - that is , it was an experience when I was very young  WAAAYYYY before I ever heard of such things as  Goetia .  It wasnt actually until some time AFTER the evocation ceremonies  that I put the relationships together .   - and to me this signifies that certain 'spirits' are the best one's to work with - the ones tied into ones  karma and dharma . These connections where also affirmed via astrology , again in a later practice/ revelation .

 

Also I cant vouch for any efficacy if the subject is approached much as I see it today .  My workings took a long time - each tool was consecrated in the appropriate magical way and setting, also it was done in a properly set up temple  (and directions, if followed, mean it needs to be fairly large ) , which I had built . Also a certain amount of consecrated regalia and temple furniture was constructed .  Of course there is the  background knowledge and study as well ( hopefully within a good system) - I did that for decades. Also some insight into psychology , and not just within the modern 'mind set ' , is valuable -  one needs to understand the psychology of the source material. I studied that for years as well , as with the related subjects to both in Cultural Anthropology eg .  studying various practices across time, location and cultures, comparing similarities and validities  behind cultural clothing , that is , not just seeing one's own, or one's one times  perceptions as the only valid realities   - in short , spend some time nutting it all out . 

 

Buying a $4 crystal wand and drawing a sigil in the air with it   and then calling oneself an 'Evocation Magician' might not work as good   . 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 2020 by Nungali

[GSmaster]

While summoning of spirits, demons and otherwordly beings is doable.

 

3 things are there of concern.

 

1. If demon is real and is strong, he may be far above your capacity and give you permanent significant internal damage or even death. Thats rare but I have seen and met some who could kill a human being or suck the Qi dry.

2. If demon is weaker than you, basicly a cockroach, summoning him is a waste of time and effort. If you can do something yourself, and this thing is weaker, why would you need it?

3. I have yet to see anyone from this tradition getting to anywhere in self cultivation. There is a 95-99.9%+ chance that whatever you summon is just your own imagination and you need a strict indicators of a real summoning. Like some physical change to fire / water flowing, a strong smell of sulphur or anything else. Dont practice invokation without indicators.

 

The risks are high, the highest risk though is just to waste time while the benefits are questionable. There is info that many use their souls and personal vitality to summon or lure the demons and become hosts, that has many negative consequences over time and puts a stop to any possibility of future cultivation.

Edited March 28, 2020 by GSmaster

[GSmaster]

Personally I am more interested in creation of artificial lifeforms, that are made to server their Master.

 

Create Life. Amazing ability of Gods.

[Earl Grey]

4 hours ago, GSmaster said:

While summoning of spirits, demons and otherwordly beings is doable.

 

3 things are there of concern.

 

1. If demon is real and is strong, he may be far above your capacity and give you permanent significant internal damage or even death. Thats rare but I have seen and met some who could kill a human being or suck the Qi dry.

2. If demon is weaker than you, basicly a cockroach, summoning him is a waste of time and effort. If you can do something yourself, and this thing is weaker, why would you need it?

3. I have yet to see anyone from this tradition getting to anywhere in self cultivation. There is a 95-99.9%+ chance that whatever you summon is just your own imagination and you need a strict indicators of a real summoning. Like some physical change to fire / water flowing, a strong smell of sulphur or anything else. Dont practice invokation without indicators.

 

The risks are high, the highest risk though is just to waste time while the benefits are questionable. There is info that many use their souls and personal vitality to summon or lure the demons and become hosts, that has many negative consequences over time and puts a stop to any possibility of future cultivation.

 

Yes, I've met a couple people who do demon work--very few people can do this proficiently and it does damage all the time. At the beginning, it is difficult to perceive what the damage is, but then after a few years, you can have serious damage that people will see such as being belligerent and abusive while being insufferable, even worse than someone like joeblast. 

 

4 hours ago, GSmaster said:

Personally I am more interested in creation of artificial lifeforms, that are made to server their Master.

 

Create Life. Amazing ability of Gods.

 

Homunculus? 

[Lightseeker]

10 hours ago, GSmaster said:

Personally I am more interested in creation of artificial lifeforms, that are made to server their Master.

 

Create Life. Amazing ability of Gods.

That’s very interesting. How do you do that?

[Lightseeker]

10 hours ago, GSmaster said:

Personally I am more interested in creation of artificial lifeforms, that are made to server their Master.

 

Create Life. Amazing ability of Gods.

And what capabilities can these forms have

[GSmaster]

6 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

Homunculus? 

 

Yeah, I used to have manual on Homunculus creation. Quite interesting stuff.

 

Ifrits are artificial energy lifeforms that are programmable for certain tasks / have some sort of intelligence.

 

15 minutes ago, Lightseeker said:

And what capabilities can these forms have

 

Whatever you arm them with. Unlimited Capabilities. Like having a servant / magic beast on spirit plane.

 

People sensitive to Qi can feel very strong tactile / physical sensations from these things if they get into contact.

 

They are often used as guides or Artificial Intelligence with a database support for a magus. They can be taught to speak into your brain and communicate with master. They can carry on missions and tasks.

Edited March 28, 2020 by GSmaster

[Lightseeker]

1 hour ago, GSmaster said:

 

Yeah, I used to have manual on Homunculus creation. Quite interesting stuff.

 

Ifrits are artificial energy lifeforms that are programmable for certain tasks / have some sort of intelligence.

 

 

Whatever you arm them with. Unlimited Capabilities. Like having a servant / magic beast on spirit plane.

 

People sensitive to Qi can feel very strong tactile / physical sensations from these things if they get into contact.

 

They are often used as guides or Artificial Intelligence with a database support for a magus. They can be taught to speak into your brain and communicate with master. They can carry on missions and tasks.

yes I do know what you are talking about.. it is similar to the tantric practice of kritya. Can these forms read the minds of other people, or influence them

[Nungali]

18 hours ago, GSmaster said:

Personally I am more interested in creation of artificial lifeforms, that are made to server their Master.

 

Create Life. Amazing ability of Gods.

 

 

 

 

Even they can be rebellious .