Falun Dafa/Gong anyone practice?

[Dalmat]

Dog barks. Wolf kills.

[SirPalomides]

29 minutes ago, C T said:

 

And I just got accused by a veteran member in another thread of bullying this fellow lol

I don't suppose he saw that big pump gun your man's holding, acting all menacing and macho there in his pic.

 

All the picture is missing is a mullet and some nunchucks.

[Immortal4life]

4 hours ago, SirPalomides said:

I’m not a fan of the Iranian government but for an “incompetent” dictatorship they are outsmarting the US at every turn. 

LOL! Listen to yourself dude

[Immortal4life]

40 minutes ago, C T said:

 

And I just got accused by a veteran member in another thread of bullying this fellow lol

I don't suppose he saw that big pump gun your man's holding, acting all menacing and macho there in his pic.

That's John Mcafee dude. He's a 2020 presidential candidate. He's suuuuuper Liberal and he hates Trump.

 

He's probably the only one who could actually debate Trump on stage and not get dominated. Lets not deny Trump is a formidable opponent in any public speaking contest. He publically speaks all the time. He's always in practice. Bernie would have a chance but Bernie has too many weak moments and also repeats himself too much when on stage. 

[C T]

5 minutes ago, Immortal4life said:

That's John Mcafee dude. He's a 2020 presidential candidate. He's suuuuuper Liberal and he hates Trump.

 

He's probably the only one who could actually debate Trump on stage and not get dominated. Lets not deny Trump is a formidable opponent in any public speaking contest. He publically speaks all the time. He's always in practice. Bernie would have a chance but Bernie has too many weak moments and also repeats himself too much when on stage. 

 

aha! the gringo dude... okay 

too unstable 

[Immortal4life]

Well he has a reputation for sure  and unfortunately he probably wont get a chance to get Trump on stage one on one, mano to mano, winner take all, but if he did then people would forget all about whatever came before. 

[Earl Grey]

Congratulations, everyone! We did it! This thread has been derailed totally!

[Immortal4life]

No, we can always go back if we like

 

[SirPalomides]

The wisdom of Li Hongzhi:

 

TIME: Why does chaos reign now?
Li: Of course there is not just one reason. The biggest cause of society's change today is that people no longer believe in orthodox religion. They go to church, but they no longer believe in God. They feel free to do anything. The second reason is that since the beginning of this century, aliens have begun to invade the human mind and its ideology and culture.

TIME: Where do they come from?
Li: The aliens come from other planets. The names that I use for these planets are different . Some are from dimensions that human beings have not yet discovered. The key is how they have corrupted mankind. Everyone knows that from the beginning until now, there has never been a development of culture like today. Although it has been several thousand years, it has never been like now.

The aliens have introduced modern machinery like computers and airplanes. They started by teaching mankind about modern science, so people believe more and more science, and spiritually, they are controlled. Everyone thinks that scientists invent on their own when in fact their inspiration is manipulated by the aliens. In terms of culture and spirit, they already control man. Mankind cannot live without science.

The ultimate purpose is to replace humans. If cloning human beings succeeds, the aliens can officially replace humans. Why does a corpse lie dead, even though it is the same as a living body? The difference is the soul, which is the life of the body. If people reproduce a human person, the gods in heaven will not give its body a human soul. The aliens will take that opportunity to replace the human soul and by doing so they will enter earth and become earthlings.

When such people grow up, they will help replace humans with aliens. They will produce more and more clones. There will no longer be humans reproduced by humans. They will act like humans, but they will introduce legislation to stop human reproduction.

TIME: Are you a human being?
Li: You can think of me as a human being.

TIME: Are you from earth?
Li: I don't wish to talk about myself at a higher level. People wouldn't understand it.

TIME: What are the aliens after?
Li: The aliens use many methods to keep people from freeing themselves from manipulation. They make earthlings have wars and conflicts, and develop weapons using science, which makes mankind more dependent on advanced science and technology. In this way, the aliens will be able to introduce their stuff and make the preparations for replacing human beings. The military industry leads other industries such as computers and electronics.

TIME: But what is the alien purpose?
Li: The human body is the most perfect in the universe. It is the most perfect form. The aliens want the human body.

TIME: What do aliens look like?
Li: Some look similar to human beings. U.S. technology has already detected some aliens. The difference between aliens can be quite enormous.

TIME: Can you describe it?
Li: You don't want to have that kind of thought in your mind.

TIME: Describe them anyway.
Li: One type looks like a human, but has a nose that is made of bone. Others look like ghosts. At first they thought that I was trying to help them. Now they now that I am sweeping them away.,
 

[SirPalomides]

More wisdom from Li Hongzhi:

 

Question: Different races have different Heavenly Kingdoms. Why don’t black people from Africa have any?

Master: Black people, too, have the gods that created them. It’s just that they forgot them rather early.

 

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Question: Why do you say that children of mixed blood are pitiable? A person might be a Chinese person in this life, and then a foreigner in the next, and there are all sorts of races and main souls on the earth.

Master: In the reincarnation process it is the main soul that reincarnates, whereas what has mixed blood is the flesh body. Different gods created their own different peoples, and in history those gods have all along been taking care of the people they themselves created. White people are white people, black people are black people, and people of the yellow race are people of the yellow race. Any ethnicity in the world is a race that corresponds with the heavens. After mixing blood people no longer have their correspondence to the gods in the heavens. And then it is possible that none of the gods that created humans will take care of them. Then with regard to these people, they are very pitiable. Some people might be wondering what to do, then. I’ll tell you, don’t be anxious. I am talking about the situation at the human being’s surface. Since humans’ main souls haven’t mixed, if people want to cultivate I can enable you to cultivate. If you can cultivate to the last step you can Consummate all the same, and there won’t be any distinction. Cultivation won’t be an issue.

If an everyday person is in the circumstance [we just discussed] then he will lead a very pitiable life. The gods above won’t recognize a region where there is a concentration of mixed races, so normally the people in such a region will be destitute and have a hard life.

[Immortal4life]

Meh, it's an interesting idea, there's some crazy stuff out there no one can explain, UFOs are a real thing

 

[Immortal4life]

The origins of humanity are an interesting subject. Edgar Cayce gave some insight on it . At the end of the day it doesn't really matter to spiritual development, but it also does give some interesting perspective 

http://www.was-this-atlantis.info/cayce/10.html

Readings Extract - The Races of Man at the Time

READING: 364-3

In the period, then - some hundred, some ninety-eight thousand years before the entry of Ram into India - there lived in this land of Atlantis one Amilius. (Aryans into India 2000 BC = 100,000 years BC) there lived in this land of Atlantis one Amilius [?], who had first NOTED that of the separations of the beings as inhabited that portion of the earth's sphere or plane of those peoples into male and female as separate entities, or individuals. As to their forms in the physical sense, these were much RATHER of the nature of THOUGHT FORMS, or able to push out OF THEMSELVES in that direction in which its development took shape in thought - much in the way and manner as the amoeba would in the waters of a stagnant bay, or lake, in the present. As these took form, by the gratifying of their own desire for that as builded or added to the material conditions, they became hardened or set -much in the form of the existent human body of the day, with that of color as partook of its surroundings much in the manner as the chameleon in the present. Hence coming into that form as the red, or the mixture peoples - or colors; known then later by the associations as the RED race. These, then, able to use IN their gradual development all the forces as were manifest in their individual surroundings, passing through those periods of developments as has been followed more closely in that of the yellow, the black, or the white races, in other portions of the world; yet with their immediate surroundings, with the facilities for the developments, these became much speedier in this particular portion of the globe than in others - and while the destruction of this continent and the peoples are far beyond any of that as has been kept as an absolute record, that record in the rocks still remains - as has that influence OF those peoples in that life of those peoples to whom those that did escape during the periods of destruction make or influence the lives of those peoples TO whom they came.
ALSO IN: Reference to Time Periods of Events
ALSO IN: Division of Body into Two Sexes
ALSO IN: Mans Initial Entrance into Earth
ALSO IN: Atlanteans and the Environment

READING: 364-4

And Ohum, that builded the walls across the mountains in this period, through those same usages of that as had been taken on by those peoples. And also into American area and became the first of the mound dwellers, or peoples in that land.
ALSO IN: Atlantean Contact with Other Lands

READING: 364-9

(Q) Was Atlantis one of the five points at which man appeared in the beginning, being the home of the red race? (A) One of the five points. As has been given, in what is known as Gobi, India, in Carpathia [?], or in that known as the Andes, and that known as in the western plain of what is now called America - the five places. In their presentation, as we find, these - in the five places, as MAN (Let's get the difference in that as first appeared in what is known as Atlantis, and that as MAN appearing from those projections in the five places - and, as has been given, from their environ took on that as became necessary for the meeting of those varying conditions under which their individualities and personalities began to put on form) - one in the white, another in the brown, another in the black, another in the red. These, as we find, taking that form - Would snow be the place for the black? or the sun the place for the white? or the desert and the hills for either the white or black? as were partakers of those things that brought about those variations in that which enters, or becomes as the outer presentation, or the skin, or the pigment that is presented in same.

[Immortal4life]

Falun gong seems to bring all people together

 

Getting to Know Falun Gong: Marvellous Connection to Chinese Culture for an American Couple

 

Although the environment changed, her seeking of spiritual relief became stronger. She described that feeling - to seek for that feeling is just like finding a home, the final destination, and the place where one feels very comfortable. She discovered that the majority of priests and ministers did not put their hearts into the teachings of conventional religions.

 

Falun Gong puts an end to Prejudice, in Chinese people, and all people.

 

Misconceptions-

http://faluninfo.net/article/654/

 

Knowing the democratic West to be a tolerant, pluralistic, and diverse place, Chinese authorities have sought to brand Falun Gong as contrary to these basic values. In a word, they’ve sought to cast it as “intolerant.” Several journalists have taken the bait.

The characterization is patently misleading, and rests solely upon an outsider’s uninformed interpretation of doctrine. It’s found to be at odds with lived practice.

Consider the first of the two major issues Chinese authorities cite: an alleged intolerance of homosexuality. (We can’t help but note the irony of China’s communist rulers having until recently banned homosexuality, labeling it a mental disorder.)

Gays, lesbians, and bisexuals are welcomed by the practice just like anyone else, and not accorded any different treatment. Whether they continue to live that lifestyle, or self-identify with that term, is solely a personal choice and not something anyone in Falun Gong would force upon the individual. Central to Falun Gong is the making of one’s own decisions.

Falun Gong’s teachings do suggest that certain behaviors, including homosexuality, generate more karma than others or are not conducive to certain aspirations in the practice. But this it is left at the level of teaching, and not a creed or regulation. How one understands a given teaching, and to what extent he or she applies it, is always a personal matter.

A second, related point that must be emphasized is that Falun Gong’s teachings on this and other matters do not equate to a “position statement” or “stance” on some social issue. They are intended solely for the individual aspirant, and to be applied to his or her own life; they are not meant to be applied to others, much less non-practitioners. Falun Gong does not have any position on what other people should or shouldn’t do with their lives. It simply offers its teachings on personal change to whomever is interested in its path to spiritual growth.

What holds true for homosexuality holds true for interracial marriage and interracial children, if not more so. Falun Gong’s teachings have little to say about the matter. What some journalists have picked up on, prompted by Chinese state media intimations, is the presence of a passage in one book where Falun Gong’s founder mentions the issue in passing.

These teachings can be summarized as a belief that different heavens correspond to different races on earth, and that persons of mixed race lose a direct connection to their corresponding heaven, at least in the corporeal sense; a person's soul in unaffected, just as is their ability to engage in cultivation practice. This in no way amounts to an endorsement of racial purity; in Li Hongzhi's writings, he states in essense that the phenomenon is nobody's fault, and one does not need to be concerned about it.

One most inflamatory result was a New York Times journalist who wrote, without attribution, that Falun Gong believes children of mixed race are the "spawn" of the Dharma-ending period (a time of moral decline referred to in Buddhist scripture.) Needless to say, no such language appears in Falun Gong's teachings. Regrettably, the journalist did not temper his own, outsider’s reading of that passage with investigation or evidence. They failed to check with any living, actual persons who do Falun Gong, preferring, seemingly, to not let a sensational reading of the passage be spoiled by evidence to the contrary.

Had they looked into the matter, they would have found their assumptions to be just that, assumptions. Many who practice Falun Gong have married and had children with individuals of a different race after taking up the practice. Of the 14 individuals who make up the Information Center’s staff, fully 4 fall into this category. If Falun Gong teaches racial segregation, it’s doing a poor job of it.

If the practice does not breed racial intolerance in the life of the individual, one might readily imagine how much less so it translates into a general “stance” on interracial marriage in society.

The two most frequently cited forms of “intolerance” end up suggesting, upon closer examination, just the opposite. Indeed, if anything, it would seem that something in Falun Gong is instead conducive to greater tolerance.

[SirPalomides]

More wisdom from Falun Gong:

 

Another important goal of communism is the destruction of the family through ideas like gender equality and “sharing wealth and wife.” The twentieth century, in particular, was host to modern feminist movements that promoted sexual liberation, the blurring of gender differences, attacks against “patriarchy,” and weakening the role of the father in the family.

These movements changed the definition of marriage, promoted the legalization and legitimization of homosexuality, promoted the “rights” to divorce and abortion, and used social welfare policies to effectively encourage and subsidize single parenthood. All of this resulted in the collapse of families and led to a greater incidence of poverty and crime. This has been one of the more startling transformations of society over the last several decades.

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The devil is the initiator of an unrestricted war on mankind that has created battlefields out of religion, the family, politics, the economy, finance, military affairs, education, academia, the arts, the media, entertainment, popular culture, social affairs, and international relations.

 

The dark energy of the devil can spread from one sphere, group, or movement to another. For instance, after the anti-Vietnam War movement faded in the West in the 1970s, the devil manipulated rebellious adolescents to channel their energies into agitating for feminism, environmentalism, and the legalization of homosexuality. The devil then used these efforts to subvert Western civilization from within.

 

The devil can turn ill-intentioned people into its agents in the human world. It can use hypocrisy to deceive compassionate and innocent people, who then become its apologists.

 

The devil’s agents — most of whom do not even realize their role — are everywhere in society, from the elite, to the middle class, to the lower classes. Thus, its activities manifest sometimes as bottom-up revolutions, sometimes as top-down conspiracies, sometimes as reforms from the center.

 

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The demon of communism inhabits a variety of complex guises in the West and operates under many banners, making it almost impossible to guard against. The following schools or movements were either derived from communism or used by communism to reach its ends: liberalism, progressivism, the Frankfurt School, Neo-Marxism, critical theory, the counterculture of the 1960s, the anti-war movement, sexual liberation, legalization of homosexuality, feminism, environmentalism, social justice, political correctness, Keynesian economics, avant-garde art schools, and multiculturalism.

[Immortal4life]

Well we can't deny that gender relations are quite strained nowadays.

 

Look at data from Tinder and other dating apps where 80% of women are dating 20% of men. We now live in a type of polygamy or polygyny. A lot of inequality. Fatherless children, broken homes, divorce etc. We cant deny that. It's just the pareto principle at work though. It means you gotta be in that 20% for life to work out for you. Dont wish for life to be easier though, make yourself stronger.

Edited April 15, 2020 by Immortal4life

[SirPalomides]

"I can't get a date, it's a communist plot!"

[Immortal4life]

Lol! Well I dunno if your dating problems are from communism. Mostly it's just biological attraction triggers of the sexes wanting the highest quality mates possible to pass on genes that will survive and replicate. 

 

Why do you get tons of happy chemicals flooding your brain when you hook up with a very attractive woman? Cuz your DNA knows its gonna now make very physically attractive kids who are then going to be able to replicate themselves for many generations, so your DNA knows its gonna live forever now, so it floods you with happy brain chemicals. 

 

Or if you hook up with a whole bunch of women in a short period of time? Your DNA knows its gonna survive for many generations and you now don't even have to invest your whole life to make sure one survives to adulthood, the sheer numbers mean some kids will survive and replicate. Dopamine jackpot 

 

On the other hand, you can also get into a long term relationship which also increases the chance that your kids will survive and increase the chance you know the baby is yours, so you'll get lots of oxytocin chemicals to reward you.

Edited April 15, 2020 by Immortal4life

[Rara]

15 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

Congratulations, everyone! We did it! This thread has been derailed totally!

 

I was wondering how this thread managed to make it to page 4.

 

What on earth more could be said about F.G? Oh yeah, nothing 😂

[Dalmat]

On 14/04/2020 at 9:25 PM, C T said:

Why would anyone want to adopt practices given by someone as shady as this Li fellow? You're just going to suck up the guy's bad karma by doing his gong, no matter how effective it is. You might not see or feel it now because it seeps into your subtle body and lies dormant there until some condition comes together and cause them to ripen. I wouldn't go near this practice at all. There are far better practices available, given by virtuous teachers who would put Li & his dangerous gong to sleep.

So, as you say man can pick up Li's bad karma? That's possible? I mean, my karma is my karma, how and way pick up someones karma and opposite? Can you explain this a little?

And can you say what are the better practices? Available without one on one with teacher, off course. My nearest teacher is 400 km away.

[C T]

42 minutes ago, Dalmat said:

So, as you say man can pick up Li's bad karma? That's possible? I mean, my karma is my karma, how and way pick up someones karma and opposite? Can you explain this a little?

And can you say what are the better practices? Available without one on one with teacher, off course. My nearest teacher is 400 km away.

 

Hypothetically, if one takes up a certain practice, one is effectively adopting, but not owning, the karma of the source of that practice, be it helpful or otherwise. It may not ripen immediately because some seeds take time to root. For eg, I come into possession of a magical spell, courtesy of a left-hand path shaman, that, in theory can destroy my perceived enemies. But I have no enemies now, so I put it aside, thinking, nah, my life is pretty good, I have no enemies, this spell is redundant. Sometime in the future, my life veers in a different direction, and there are those who want to cause me harm. I recall, ah.. I have this spell in my possession, I should use it now to neutralize my enemies, and proceed to do so. The cause and effect for activating the spell is your own karma - the cause and effect of manifesting such a spell is the shaman's karma. Its exclusive in this sense, but also overlaps in a different sense. Its quite complex, but I've tried to simplify it with the example given. 

 

As to the question of better practices, Im not sure what exactly is in your mind. If you are clear about what you want to cultivate and make this known, perhaps I or some other experienced members here may be able to help. 

 

One can always adapt some practices without the need to be in the presence of a live teacher, but of course, that would be quite ideal, although not always practical. There are many teachers now conducting online classes and even empowerments, or so I heard. Not sure how online empowerments work though as I have no experience with it. Traditionally, empowerments would require a neophyte to receive it in the presence of a live authorised lineage holder. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by C T

[Mandrake]

There are many threads about this in the forum archives so just use the search button. Buyer beware.

 

 

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[Immortal4life]

1 hour ago, Dalmat said:

So, as you say man can pick up Li's bad karma? That's possible? I mean, my karma is my karma, how and way pick up someones karma and opposite? Can you explain this a little?

 

Apparently it will "seep" into your subtle body😂

Edited April 17, 2020 by Immortal4life

[C T]

17 minutes ago, Immortal4life said:

Apparently it will "seep" into your subtle body😂

Much in the same way wrestling obsession seeped into yours. 

[Miroku]

17 minutes ago, Immortal4life said:

Apparently it will "seep" into your subtle body😂

 

I would say it this way. When you follow someone you cannot help but adopt some aspects of that person, be it believes, physical movements or others. Also the way you see them matters. In Buddhism it is said that if you see your teacher as a buddha you will become a buddha, if you see him as a dog you will become a dog. So... following a guy believing in UFO and aliens causing world problems...?

 

On the other hand many people have nothing but positive experiences with Falun Gong... one of my favourite youtubers is a FG practitioner and he claims it totally changed his father into a peaceful guy from a very angry type. I would be (and actually am despite finding the system interesting) cautious.

[Dalmat]

5 hours ago, Miroku said:

 

I would say it this way. When you follow someone you cannot help but adopt some aspects of that person, be it believes, physical movements or others. Also the way you see them matters. In Buddhism it is said that if you see your teacher as a buddha you will become a buddha, if you see him as a dog you will become a dog. So... following a guy believing in UFO and aliens causing world problems...?

 

On the other hand many people have nothing but positive experiences with Falun Gong... one of my favourite youtubers is a FG practitioner and he claims it totally changed his father into a peaceful guy from a very angry type. I would be (and actually am despite finding the system interesting) cautious.

 

Hm, to be honest, after some Li's claims, about the race, homosexuality and others (what was on first reading), I decided not to folow the dogma, just the movements. I only stood by the Zhen, Shen, Ren rule... Even that made me a better person. I avoid lying as much as possible ( I write, so I can't dodge lying or twisting the truth), I quit with fish diving what is a big sacrifice for me, I became more tolerant... and all that thanks to FG. 

Things what were bothering me are that karma talk: speeding wheel of karma, attracting bad energy by not holding to the rules and so on. I saw that the practice is giving results, but with to many questions and doubts. So, at the end I quit.