Does somone advanced in buddhism know about qi dantians etc ?

[Zork]

On 5/23/2020 at 5:49 AM, idiot_stimpy said:

 

I thought Tummo worked with the bodies energy system.

It isn't used to build a LDT. So i will repeat the question: what about it?

 

[exorcist_1699]

On 2020/5/24 at 12:28 AM, Master Logray said:

 

Once a person is sick or injured, it is very difficult to still the mind.  So body must come first for most of the people, unless the seeker is young and healthy enough.

 

In fact, sitting there straight , try consolidating an emptied Mind or singing the name of Buddha , all these activities drain our jing and shen day after day .  So, unless the shen and jing we get daily  from the emptied Mind overtakes  the shen  and jing  we lose every day, never can we attain everlasting life.  Besides , even we  can get an not so bad emptied Mind in our youth , we likely will loss it in  our old age .

 

Another important thing is how to assure  that the emptied Mind we get is something  yang, not any unproductive , forcibly  formed,   looks seemingly emptied Mind , some kind of  pseudo Enlightenment ? 

One of the proofs  is  whether there is sex pleasure  in that mindless status, the other one is whether there is  embryonic breathing ...; these are Taoist criteria to check Buddhist claim of achievement . Generally speaking , Taoists know Buddhist way better than Buddhists' understanding of the  Taoist jing-qi-shen framework .

Edited June 3, 2020 by exorcist_1699

[Master Logray]

9 hours ago, exorcist_1699 said:

 

In fact, sitting there straight , try consolidating an emptied Mind or singing the name of Buddha , all these activities drain our jing and shen day after day .  So, unless the shen and jing we get daily  from the emptied Mind overtakes  the shen  and jing  we lose every day, never can we attain everlasting life.  Besides , even we  can get an not so bad emptied Mind in our youth , we likely will loss it in  our old age .

 

 

Very well said.  Not many people realize working for something may actually reduce it. 

 

How do you think the mind quality will go down when one ages?

 

9 hours ago, exorcist_1699 said:

Another important thing is how to assure  that the emptied Mind we get is something  yang, not any unproductive , forcibly  formed,   looks seemingly emptied Mind , some kind of  pseudo Enlightenment ?

 

It is called Withered Zen or stubborn emptiness.  Just empty for empty's sake.

 

[forestofclarity]

I've practiced Buddhism in a number of traditions, and never once was taught to try consolidating and empty mind or singing the name of the Buddha. Many forms of Buddhism are based on insight, and sometimes this insight is joined with shamatha or tranquility (not necessarily stillness). Tranquility actually comes according to many Buddhists from relaxing fixation, not forcibly stilling the mind. If the mind stills naturally, it still naturally, but this is not necessarily an aim or a requirement.  

 

As Hui Neng said: 

 

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What do we mean by a form that is ‘no form’? To be free of form in the presence of forms. And ‘no thought’? Not to think about thoughts. And ‘no attachment,’ which is everyone’s basic nature? Thought after thought, not to become attached. Whether it’s a past thought, a present thought, or a future thought, let one thought follow another without interruption. Once a thought is interrupted, the dharma body becomes separated from the material body. When you go from one thought to another, don’t become attached to any dharma. Once one thought becomes attached, every thought becomes attached, which is what we call ‘bondage.’ But when you go from one thought to another without becoming attached to any dharma, there’s no bondage. This is why ‘no attachment’ is our foundation. 

 

Chanting the name of the Buddha has a bit more to it then sitting around singing all day as well. 

 

9 hours ago, exorcist_1699 said:

 

In fact, sitting there straight , try consolidating an emptied Mind or singing the name of Buddha , all these activities drain our jing and shen day after day .  So, unless the shen and jing we get daily  from the emptied Mind overtakes  the shen  and jing  we lose every day, never can we attain everlasting life.  Besides , even we  can get an not so bad emptied Mind in our youth , we likely will loss it in  our old age .

 

[exorcist_1699]

On 2020/6/3 at 9:31 PM, forestofemptiness said:

I've practiced Buddhism in a number of traditions, and never once was taught to try consolidating and empty mind or singing the name of the Buddha. Many forms of Buddhism are based on insight, and sometimes this insight is joined with shamatha or tranquility (not necessarily stillness). Tranquility actually comes according to many Buddhists from relaxing fixation, not forcibly stilling the mind. If the mind stills naturally, it still naturally, but this is not necessarily an aim or a requirement.  

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Likely  what we come across in modern society  are Zen  or Meditation classes,   vulgarized forms of the original preaching   , mainly  tailored made for office ladies or business men  to kill off their spare time or to  make their mind peaceful .  Hardly can we meet  sharp and penetrating  , on some occasions even bloody, say chop off an apostle's thumb or cut a poor cat into halves ,   ways of forcing people into confronting what the  Buddha Mind  is . The aspiration to grasp the reality  of the cosmos  is lost,  and replaced by   those mediocre tastes of  a modern citizen.

Edited June 6, 2020 by exorcist_1699

[forestofclarity]

You could say the same thing about Taoism. In modern society, you are more likely to go to a class and learn to breath slow and flap your arms than you are to find any substantial knowledge in your average Tai Chi or qigong class. Does that mean that Tai Chi or qigong is all slow breathing and arm flapping? Hardly. 

 

On 6/5/2020 at 8:40 PM, exorcist_1699 said:

 

Likely  what we come across in modern society  are Zen  or Meditation classes,   vulgarized forms of the original preaching   , mainly  tailored made for office ladies or business men  to kill off their spare time or to  make their mind peaceful .  Hardly can we meet  sharp and penetrating  , on some occasions even bloody, say chop off an apostle's thumb or cut a poor cat into halves ,   ways of forcing people into confronting what the  Buddha Mind  is . The aspiration to grasp the reality  of the cosmos  is lost,  and replaced by   those mediocre tastes of  a modern citizen.

 

[exorcist_1699]

On 2020/6/3 at 9:07 PM, Master Logray said:

 

How do you think the mind quality will go down when one ages?

 

 

Jing and shen are closely related . Deterioration of  your jing  will definitely weaken your mental ability .  Any mental activities, whether it be calculating your monthly expense ,  playing online games overnight , try consolidating an emptied mind for hours ..etc all  lessen your spiritual power, then drain your essence . People may not sense it in  a short  period of time  or in their youth , but in the  long run, in their  old age it can be sensed clearly . Most old  people  lose their creativity ( delicacy and creativity of spirit comes from jing ) in jobs or  no longer be capable of learning new things are also  proofs of this . 

 

Lack of jing definitely will lead to a dull mind , in fact,  various layers of emptiness , that kind of delicacy , can not be sensed by old guys , which sadly makes them doubt the truth of Taoist or Buddhist truth . So, unless they can  do their  emptied-Mind  job well  that enables them to tap energy from that emptiness continuously, hardly can they  maintain that level of  spiritual competence  in their old age. 

Edited June 12, 2020 by exorcist_1699

[Master Logray]

8 hours ago, exorcist_1699 said:

So, unless they can  do their  emptied-Mind  job well  that enables them to tap energy from that emptiness continuously, hardly can they  maintain that level of  spiritual competence  in their old age. 

 

Chicken and egg problem?  Without Jing, they cannot still their minds.  Without a stilled mind, they cannot recreate their Jing.

 

But this kind of empty mindness is different from Buddhist in still having a Shen in control/observe.  

[exorcist_1699]

On 6/13/2020 at 1:04 AM, Master Logray said:

 

Chicken and egg problem?  Without Jing, they cannot still their minds.  Without a stilled mind, they cannot recreate their Jing.

 

But this kind of empty mindness is different from Buddhist in still having a Shen in control/observe.  

 

Buddhists do not talk about jing and qi , which does not imply that they are not the source of the  human spirit . Quite the contrary , with the identification of them , it lets us solve many problems in our practice much easier.

[Master Logray]

4 hours ago, exorcist_1699 said:

 

Buddhists do not talk about jing and qi , which does not imply that they are not the source of the  human spirit . Quite the contrary , with the identification of them , it lets us solve many problems in our practice much easier.

 

If the Buddhists ignores Jing and Chi, then they won't be getting Jing and Chi at all, even if some of them managed to develop the Shen to a high level.  That's a pity.  

[exorcist_1699]

On 2020/6/16 at 4:34 PM, Master Logray said:

 

If the Buddhists ignores Jing and Chi, then they won't be getting Jing and Chi at all, even if some of them managed to develop the Shen to a high level.  That's a pity.  

 

Yeah , for both Taoist and Buddhist practice ,things like  avoid nocturnal emission of jing  ,  not drink  cold or icy water or abstain from getting angry with trivial matters are all  important  . But the  reasons why those prohibitions are significant   Buddhists never state  it clearly . It is in Taoist jing-qi-shen  or TCM's context that they are fully explained . 

 

 

Edited June 22, 2020 by exorcist_1699

[EmeraldHead]

If I understand correctly shi shen fits quite perfectly the description of the 2nd skhanda. The 5 skhandas being fresh from life to life as such they make up the Nirmanakaya. So postnatal chi and jing would make up for the 1st two skhandas region as well.

 

The 3rd skhanda of perception magnifies into things unlike shi shen. For example you are reading something and it's super clearly dominant to you what concepts you are reading or what each thing is (according to how you define it internally). For example yellow is very yellow to you. Words in different languages that previously you were confusing for each other out of inattention will become clearly different in your experience.

 

So if you read a paragraph the 3rd skhanda or the emf field that allows for that experience is what allows you to comprehend what you are reading. Similarly when you have abstract thoughts with no visualisation or proper imagination to construct it in anyway, yet, that thought or "emotion" (-al obstruction) is held in at the 3rd skhanda. The 4th skhanda would be jerks or momentary decisions, such deciding to read faster or slower or deciding what attitude to have towards someone, anger or not, etc

 

So YES of course they do. If I understand correctly, sambogakaya is the first level of proper immortality in buddhism (that you cannot loose and come back to always) compared to shen xian and dharmakaya to tian xian. Main difference being shen xian still need to reincarnate to deal with their karma (cognitive obstructions) but their mind or shambogakaya doesn't get recycled/is dimished or lost through those short naps called birth like the nirmanakaya.

 

So when you hear about practices where the whole universe is your dan tien; it is something like dzochgen or a similar practice.

Edited June 19, 2020 by EmeraldHead