Dealing with the dark side

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, dmattwads said:

Another dark side related topic... Mara. I've always wondered if he is meant as a literal being or as a metaphor for desire? Or the devil for that matter.

 

or all of the above .

 

You know the story of Mara and the Buddhist monk meditating on 'all is transitory'   ?

[Maddie]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

or all of the above .

 

You know the story of Mara and the Buddhist monk meditating on 'all is transitory'   ?

 

I don't know if I am familiar with that one.

[Nuralshamal]

On 10.12.2020 at 5:32 AM, Maddie said:

I realize this might sound very speculative and perhaps superstitious but I was wondering if anyone had any real knowledge or experience in dealing with protecting themselves from the dark side of spirituality such as from evil spirits, or curses and other such things? how would one recognize it being something like this as opposed to something else? And what are effective measures that can be taken to deal with it?

@Maddie

I will share in 4 points:

1) Intro
2) My experiences with evil spirits
3) My experiences with black magic
4) My proposed explanation integrating viewpoints on evil spirits and black magic (Buddhism, Sufism, Martinus, Hinduism etc)

Intro
In my opinion, this is an extremely important topic, that is extremely ignored, belittled and misunderstood by the vast majority of cultivators. Especially those with a western background. Also, even by high level masters who simply don't know about this particular area or haven't trained and studied it.

My experiences with evil spirits
I have personally suffered many extreme and terrifying experiences, and no matter where I sought help, I was belittled, ridiculed, ignored or misunderstood.

I have seen books flying out of shelves. I have seen bagpacks and other physical items dragged back and forth on the floor. I have experienced "wind" indoors, even though it was a closed off room with no windows. I have seen shadowy/smoke like figures physically moving around, experienced physical touch even though no physical beings are there and much more.

When I sought help from a hindu monk, he advised me to start japa of my guru mantra when it happened. I did it... Didn't work.

When I sought help from a high level "shamanic" qigong master (you would think spirits would be a walk in the park for a shaman), I was belittled and told "not to pay attention to this illusion I am experiencing". There's nothing illusory about physical objects being thrown around by an unseen force. It's pretty much as concrete as it gets. Almighty God bless him, and bring him to clarity and allow him to actually help people with his powers of qi.

When I sought help from another qigong master specialised in healing, he told me to say a prayer and do a mudra. When it didn't work, he explained it away saying that "you're just not powerful enough to do it yet, you need to cultivate more. Be my one-on-one student for 2-3 years, meet me on on a weekly zoom meeting priced at 1.600 dollars for an hour, and then in a couple of years, you will be able to do it".

This healing qigong master stated that I have a very loving and very spiritual energy, and that's why troubled spirits get attracted to me. They seek help and healing from me. That's why it worsens when I travel to new places or stay overnight at places that are not my house. The troubled spirits in that place see me and come to get help.

I actually believed him, and met him 3 times, wasting thousands of dollars. It didn't work! And on top of that, the clairvoyant things he told me about me and my health were flat out wrong (he said I had weak sexual energy, ejaculated in seconds and drank a lot of alcohol which damaged my liver). I am at a very advanced level of sexual qigong and lovemaking, haven't touched alcohol in more than 10 years and make love for hours daily without ejaculating with very strong erection power.

So after 3 meetings, I realized he was simply a semi-psychic (he did say correctly that I had a spine injury, although there were so many other things wrong about his psychic reading),  yet pretty good healer (I could feel my back getting better when he gave healings), but most of all he was just thirsty for money. So, of course I stopped seeing him. Dear God, bring him to the straight path, let him let go of his greed for money and selfishness, and instead lead him to the straight path, that he may use his gift of healing for good.

I then spoke with a highly clairvoyant sufi master, who did a check on me (for free). He related my entire life story regarding troubles with spirits (without me telling him anything), and he also stated that it's because I have a lot of "light" (noor) inside my soul. This is because of all the prayers and mantras I say each day (since I was a child). He said the spirits are troubled where they are (in "bardo" or "barzakh" as it's called in Islam), and seek my help.

He said I should visualise putting up spiritual sign posts around my aura, my house, or anywhere I go that says "I am sorry, I cannot help you. I myself need help, that's why I pray to the light and get that light into me. Please don't come to me, I am in no position to help you, I myself need help, that's why I pray so much. You should yourself pray to the light, then you will get help".

I tried it for some time, and it helped in my own house. However, when I went to new places, it didn't work. God bless this man, he is extremely loving, knowledgable and powerfully clairvoyant.

When I sought help from another sufi (via the internet), he for free did a "spiritual check" on me. He stated that yes, I have some low level evil spirits around me. He gave me (for free!) a one week program of readings of salawaat (prayers to the prophet), and reciting "bismillahir-rahmanir-rahim" (the bismillah, "in the name of God) many hundreds of times in a day. Then blow on water and drink it.

I did it for 7 days, and it worked! It was from his heart and soul he wished to help me. He did it for free.

I sent him 100 dollars and said that it worked, and asked if I could keep training with him. I must have paid him only a few hundred dollars, yet I spent 6-9 months corresponding with him via email. He would give me different salawaat, dhikr (name of God), verses of the Qur'an and du'a (prayers). Whenever I did a program (e.g. 7 days, 11 days, 21 days), he would tell me how it went. He would give me feedback on the energy, without me telling him anything. He was very good, he helped me a lot, and he didn't ask much in return. However, after 6-9 months, because he wanted to remain anonymous, I felt that to be a bit weird after so long, so when I had completed a big program, I stopped corresponding with him. We haven't been in contact since.

What became my go-to after training with this guy, is 5 verses from the Qur'ran. Ayatul kursi (Verse about the Throne of God), and 4 verses called "the 4 qul". They are the last 4 verses of the Qur'an, and they all start with "qul" which means "say". It's Surah Nas (verse of Man), Surah Ikhlas (verse of Unity), Surah Falaq (verse of the Daybreak / rising sun) and Surah Kafiroon (verse about the Unbelievers).

You recite each 11 times (11x ayatul kursi, 11x surah nas, 11x surah ikhlas, 11x surah falaq and 11x surah kafiroon). Then you blow on your right index finger, and visualise your hand coming down from the sky, and drawing a protective circle around the 4 corners of your home, and then finally around yourself, or the room that needs extra protection (e.g. bedroom, prayer room).

This has been my go-to for more than 6 years. It has been the only thing that worked for me in this area. If you want to keep your house energy pure, you say 21x ayatul kursi, blow on a glass of water, and sprinkle it around your house. The combination of these two readings saved my life.

God bless this man who helped me without demanding anything in return!

Unlike these chinese qigong masters, just wanting money and doing nothing to help.

Lately when I'm learning Sri Vidya, I feel that some of the mantras and rituals from Sri Vidya will eventually be able to give spiritual protection on an even higher level. There are 2 specific "deities" or energies generated from mantras and rituals for the navel chakra (Durga) and third eye chakra (Varahi) which specifically combat negative spiritual energies, including black magic, evil spirits, the evil eye etc.

All of the above are my experiences and solutions for evil spirits so far.

My experiences with black magic
I have worked for the army in my country. One of my functions was as a translator and interpreter. I have been deployed several times to a UN mission in West Africa.

On one of my deployments, there wasn't much work. We only worked from 6 in the morning to 2 o'clock in the afternoon. The rest of the time we we're pretty much on standby.

Being stranded in a war zone, there's not much to do. So I spent all my free time reading, studying and practicing (mantras, meditation and qigong).

I was in a very good spiritual state at the time due to so much practice, so I was seeing auras and energies most of the time.

One time, we were training the local special forces to save hostages. The only building we could use was a big fancy hotel, yet no tourists (because of the war). So to survive, the owner of the hotel rented it out as a brothel.

One day, in a break between exercises, I saw one of the prostitutes sitting on the other side of the courtyard (they just sat around and waited for the 3-4 hours that we and the local soldiers used it as a training compound). When she saw me, she started whispering something, and I saw a small cloud of black energy generating in front of her face. Then she did something with her hands, and started blowing towards me. This sent the small black cloud of energy across the courtyard towards me. It just landed in the outskirts of my aura, it didn't go in (thank God!). So nothing happened to me.

When I was back in my room later that day, I meditated. Then I understood she was trying to do some black magic on me. Maybe she was trying to seduce or attract me. For a prostitute in a war zone, hooking up with a soldier deployed from Europe could be her ticket out of the warzone to a better life. Luckily, the energy wasn't powerful enough to penetrate my energy field (which was pretty charged at the time due to so much spiritual practice). And as I meditated, the cloud was just destroyed and disappeared from my field.

One of the local maids cleaning my place actually put my tooth brush up in her vagina when she was cleaning the bathroom. She thought I didn't know, as I was sitting in the living room. I guess it's a primitive form of African black magic. If you ingest some of the fluids (spit, sweat or sexual fluid) of someone (especially if they say mantras while doing it), you can become more partial to liking that person (becaues you will have some of their energy inside your physical body). 

I bought a new tooth brush!

Another woman working in the restaurant spat in my food and stirred it around to hide it. 

I ordered a new pasta 

You need to be very careful in many places of Africa, the Middle East, South America and certain parts of Asia. It's rampant with black magic and desperate people. Luckily they are usually not powerful practitioners, but you can still catch something if you're not protected and observant.

My second experience is with my girlfriend. She comes from the Middle East, i.e. the vast majority of her family still lives there. When we got together, it was made public, her ethnicity in our European country as well as her family and relatives in her home country in the Middle East became aware of it. As soon as this happened, she started to fall sick.

She would get wrist tendonitis, elbow tendonitis, sore knees, sore lower back, her vision would suddenly drastically reduce, she would get nauseous for no reason, got rashes, stomach ache, started to suddenly lose weight and appetite. For no reason!

It just came suddenly out of the blue. She would suffer for some time and recover. Then a new problem came back. This continued for about 6 months. Before we made our relationship public, she wasn't sick even once. After we made it public, she kept continually falling ill again and again.

After 6 months of this story of suffering and disease, once when I was meditating, I saw a cloud of red and black energy entering our house. It went to my girlfriend. Then it went into her wrist.

That same evening, she started complaining that the wrist tendonitis was coming back.

I was very surprised. I was praying and meditating, trying to understand what had happened. A few days later, I got a dream, where I saw planet Earth from above. Then I saw her country in the Middle East (Kurdistan). Then I saw clouds of red and black gathering and forming, and then they travelled to Europe to our country.

When I woke up, I understood that God had heard my prayer, and given me this dream to let me know that someone in her home country was cursing her.

That started an 8 month period of fighting this magic.

First I consulted this qigong healer about it (the psychic one, who told me correctly about my spinal injury, but wrongly about alcohol, sex etc). He to my great surprise said that someone was putting black magic on my girlfriend, and that she should practice his "small universe" meditation to transform the energy.

I was surprised he went straight to Black Magic as an explanation, even though I didn't tell him about my dreams and visions. We tried what he suggested, but it didn't work.

Then I went to a hindu tantric, who has mastery over spirits, done sadhana (spiritual practice) in graveyards, and done many tamasic tantric rituals to control these spirits (e.g. animal sacrifice, bathing in blood, smearing yourself with your own filth and urine etc). When I spoke with him, he asked me to send a photo of my girlfriend.

After 2-3 days, he called me and said that there is black magic on her. We should just worship and pray to God like normal, remain vegetarian, avoid alcohol, and when he visits our country, he will put a kavach (shield/armor) on her. 

From that day we spoke, everything stopped. So he did something remotely. After a few nights, I had a dream where I saw this swami doing something. A beam of energy went to the Middle East, where I saw someone had buried a charm inscribed with mantras and signs under the plot of one of my girlfriend's family's buildings. The beam from the swami went in and neutralized the black/red energy.

I would again highlight that he did all this for free. It seems again that this phenomenon that spirituality costs money and is a business is mostly related to chinese qigong traditions. Sufis and hindus have helped me completely free of charge, just from their heart.

It was about 2-3 weeks where it was completely gone, but then it returned.

I tried many different sufi methods, prayers, Qur'an, tasbih (prayer beads). It was always the same. It would make it go away, but after a certain period of time, it would return.

Later, after I had done a specific reading of a passage from the Qur'an about Moses fighting the black magicians of Farao, the black magic completely stopped. It took me a month, and you have to recite late at night. Then I finally had a dream where I saw this black magician in Kurdistan. Every new moon, or on specific astrological days, he goes to a kind of basement or cellar underground. Here he conducts terrible black magic rituals, involving animals, kidnapped orphans and other terrible things. That's why it's all black and red energy, because it's dirty and bloody what he does. It's someone from my girlfriend's family who's jealous of the part of the family that's gone to Europe.

Then I saw him get hit with my one month program of Qur'an, and he lost all of his powers. All the energy drained from him, he became thin, weak and pale.

After this it was about 6 months where we were completely free from this black magic. I thanked God and actually thought it was over. I felt kind of bad that it seemed my Moses-reading had damaged him, but I didn't mean to hurt him, I just wanted to protect my beloved girlfriend. It hadn't really hurt him, just taken away the energy he had built up and the evil spirits he was working with.

After 6 months, he decided to start to try again, and start from the bottom to build up his energy (he was the most powerful black practitioner I've ever seen). But this time the things he sent were really weak. We just read some Qur'an and du'a, and it stopped.

Finally, after starting Sri Vidya one and a half years ago, and we did a 41 day Varahi tarpana. Now we've been clear of black magic for about 1 year. I feel like we have built our spiritual protection so strong now, that we're mostly safe.

My proposed explanation integrating viewpoints on evil spirits and black magic (Buddhism, Sufism, Martinus, Hinduism etc)
I've highlighted a bunch of my experiences above. Now I'll try to make sense of it and provide an explanation.

I'll use an idea of different dimensions of reality to try and explain why people misunderstand each other when it comes to black magic and evil spirits.

For simplicity I'll just use the following terms:
1) Physical (shared physical world, objective reality, different beings interact with each other in an objectively verifiable sense).
2) Energetic (shared energetic world, objective albeit non-detectable reality for untrained people, objectively verifiable by people with their energetic senses open)
3) Mind (inner, individual world, unique to you, subjective reality, there's no one else here but you)
4) "Astral" (objective and shared reality with different beings interacting with each other through energy and mind)

Buddhism:
A big problem is that many Buddhists will brush these kinds of things off and say "it's all just mind". Someone even told me "spiritual beings viewed with ignorance, are demons", "spiritual beings viewed with wisdom, are devas". That sounds great philosophically, but it's a completely useless viewpoint when shit gets serious. Books are flying around your room, or your girlfriend is falling sick. It's not something mental, it's concrete and physical. You need to do something.

Just like an intruder in your home trying to steal your stuff "it's just mind, it's just illusion". Yes, fine illusion when he slaps you in your face and rapes your family. You need to take practical action and protect yourself and your family.

So all this "it's all mind" is great for a meditator going inwards, but it's not useful if you have a concrete, practical problem. Just like feeling hungry "it's just an illusion in your mind", no, you need to eat something.

I feel like the misunderstanding is because the buddhist meditator is talking about "mind", whereas the person talking about problems with black magic and evil spirits is talking about the astral, energetic and physical dimensions.

It's true that you can meet "darkness" in your own subjective mind, but this is not the same as the objective, shared reality in the astral, energetic and physical dimensions.

Some people who are also generally confused and vague in their life experience will not have the ability to discriminate between "mind" (their own fears) and "astral" (a real, verifiable, shared and objective reality). These are the people that buddhists in general target when they say "it's all in your own mind", because they think it's just imagination. For these meditators getting lost in their own subjective minds, it's a great piece of advice. However, for people truly experiencing objective problems in the astral, energetic or physical domains, it's ridiculing, belittling and just not helpful advice.

Sufism
Sufism states that there are unseen beings living in an astral, objective dimension. They also differentiate between the subjective mind or ego called "nafs" and the astral world called "malakut" or world of light (angels are called malai'ka, or powerful beings of light).

Hinduism
Also differentiates between your own subjective mind, and the astral world.

Martinus
Also differentiates between inner subjective world (mind, you and your own mind), and inner objective world (spiritual world, your soul and the soul of others).

Conclusion
I am sure buddhism also discriminates somehow between inner subjective and inner objective world, I just don't know the correct terms. Maybe someone can help me out?

The reason that these qigong masters failed to help and just tried to extract money from me, is simply because even though they're master healers, the just haven't trained in and studied the astral world. They know about the physical, energetic and mind, they just don't know about black magic and evil spirits in the astral.

The sufis who helped me, they knew about energy and astral, so they could easily see what was happening and what I should do. They had trained in this and understood it.

Similarly, the tantric swami had knowledge and power to help us quickly. The black magician was just very powerful, so he could break the spell from the swami and start his black magic again after a couple of weeks by repowering his buried charm through rituals.

Mostly when people belittle or ridicule black magic and evil spirits, it's just because they themselves didn't have karma in this area, so they don't know about it. That's why they brush it off as unimportant and not necessary, because it wasn't important to them in their cultivation. 

However, if you have karma in this area, there's no escaping it. You need to read, study and understand about it, then you need to train in it (mantra, meditation, ritual etc). Then you will master it and be able to go beyond it and continue your cultivation undisturbed.

All traditions have sections of their teachings dealing with this, it's just not all masters who've studied this section of their tradition. Because they didn't need it, they state that no one else needs it (wrong assumption and bias to think everyone is like you and need the same as you did. Wrong. We're all different and unique, we need different things).

God bless you all!
 

[Maddie]

Thanks for the reply.

 

Since that post I have found out that Western Buddhism is pretty much useless for this kind of thing. For any kind of help at all you have to go to the more traditional Asian Buddhist approaches.

[Nuralshamal]

4 hours ago, Maddie said:

Thanks for the reply.

 

Since that post I have found out that Western Buddhism is pretty much useless for this kind of thing. For any kind of help at all you have to go to the more traditional Asian Buddhist approaches.

Thanks for sharing

What are the Asian Buddhist approaches to combatting black magic and evil spirits?

[Lairg]

7 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:

if you have karma in this area, there's no escaping it.

 

The other aspect to consider is if there are permissions that attract/allow adverse energies.

 

For example staying in a house/job/relationship when you know you should not, is an invitation to every passing adverse entity,

 

Often the adverse permission has been forgotten.

 

 

[Maddie]

2 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:

Thanks for sharing

What are the Asian Buddhist approaches to combatting black magic and evil spirits?

 

There's various methods and I'm not going to claim to be familiar with all of them but the primary ones that I have become familiar with and that seem to be effective art various types of chanting.

[Cobie]

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Edited March 28, 2023 by Cobie

[Lairg]

There is a difference between personal karma and group karma.  Karma follows lines of least resistance. With personal karma there are not a lot of options.

 

With group karma, others may provide less resistance to the flow

 

 

Edited March 28, 2023 by Lairg

[Cobie]

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Edited March 28, 2023 by Cobie

[Nuralshamal]

3 minutes ago, Cobie said:

It is always worth considering that you might be wrong. 

Omg bro, after all that I wrote, sharing all my experiences of years of blood, sweat and tears and intense personal suffering, your response still just is ‘you’re wrong’? 

At least take the time to explain and justify your position instead of this complete no-effort message belittling me and my life experience with just two short words ‘you’re wrong’. 

Come on bro.

 

Some story about paint isn’t going to cut it, that’s still too vague and no-effort. 
 

Show some humaneness and compassion, some intelligence and clarity. If you have something you feel you can contribute, take more than 2 minutes to explain what it is you feel and justify it. 

 

[Cobie]

@Nuralshamal thanks for your post. It was not my intention to come over as ‘belittling’, so I will learn from your feedback.

I have removed my posts and will leave this thread. Be well.  
 

 

Edited March 28, 2023 by Cobie

[Nungali]

On 1/17/2021 at 10:08 AM, Maddie said:

 

I don't know if I am familiar with that one.

 

I just saw I left this one hanging there ....

 

I'll be brief ( probably at the expense of the story )  I monk leaves the monastery and goes out into the world,  asks his superior what is a good simple brief and mindful meditation he can keep focus in amidst the distractions of the world . he is told to just remember, meditate on and mantra ;   " All is transitory. "  So he does .... and comes close to enlightenment . This, of course attracts the arch-demon Mara  ( ) - the one that leads us away from enlightenment .  Mara causes the monk to be distracted with money and goods, luring him into a successful business,  a love affair, a marriage and all sorts of earthly delights . But still the monk continues  .... 'this is all good but still - all is transitory, it too shall pass away . This enrages Mara so he causes the business to fail, the wife to withdraw her love and turn against him ... but the Monk realizes these events , too, are transitory . So Mara  afflicts the monk with disease and sickness , but being sick and bed ridden all the monk can do is lie there and chant ' All is transitory ... all is transitory ."

 

Further enraged Mara  causes the monk to die  and be reborn as    (  series of incarnations  as 'low' animals , that all eventually come to realize  that all is transitory ... )   finally Mara makes him be reborn as an elephant in the Maharajas court , he is fed well, washed decorated and likes all that , now Mara is delighted as he thinks the monk / elephant is further away from enlightenment than  ever .

 

But you know elephants ! They have good memories ( apparently ) , one day a traveling wise man is bought to the palace as the Maharaja wants to hear his wisdom , the monk tells him ; " All is transitory " . The elephant is outside the window and hears it, and remembers , and now is on the very threshold of enlightenment , totally enraged Mara strikes him down and. Now he has only 'the supreme trick' left , to lead hi, away from enlightenment .  He causes him to be reborn as Lord Mahabrama - Lord of all possible Universes.  Now Monk Mahabrama  is floating at the center of all possible Universes,  his four heads looking in each direction watching the Universes come and go in birth and destruction and the aeons pass. Now Mara is delighted , the Monk is further from enlightenment than ever !

 

There he wallowed in his magnificence  for eternity ... until he eventually noticed  that indeed the Universes do come and go, light turns to dark and back to light  as well .... actually it appears now to Monk Mahabrama that ....

 

everything is transitory

 

With a cosmic scream of anguish Mara is vanquished and the Monk comes back to realization that  he is a monk thinking he was Lord Mahabrama , but also he  actually IS Lord Mahabrahma  thinking he was a Monk  and thus poised on the threshold of illumination he , of course had to have the next thought .... " But all that is transitory too ."  and with that he knew he was the Monk ... and the butterfly, and the maggot and the elephant and Lord Mahabrama  all at the same time .

 

And then his enlightenment became complete .

[old3bob]

"all things"  does not include no-thing...

 

“There is a beginning. There is no beginning of that beginning. There is no beginning of that no beginning of beginning. There is something. There is nothing. There is something before the beginning of something and nothing, and something before that. Suddenly there is something and nothing. But between something and nothing, I still don't really know which is something and which is nothing. Now, I've just said something, but I don't really know whether I've said anything or not.”
― Zhuangzi  

[Lairg]

50 minutes ago, old3bob said:

There is no beginning of that no beginning of beginning.

 

Before and after Existence comes and goes, there is Beingness.  Is the human part of Beingness? 

[old3bob]

13 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

Before and after Existence comes and goes, there is Beingness.  Is the human part of Beingness? 

 

Well there is that saying about being, "created in the image of"... which could be talked about.

 

Anyway I'd say the human part is also a matrix (among countless others) for what it sounds like you are calling Beingness.  (with Beingness,  which could also be called the source, of everything else (all souls & all worlds) that are born from it and someday return to it,  as pointed to in the T.T.C..

 

Edited April 2, 2023 by old3bob

[Learner]

@Nuralshamal, Thankyou for posting your experiences. I learn a lot from your posts. 

 

I realize which ayah you are talking about . About moses confronting the magicians. Can you tell how many times does one has to read it and with what intention. 

 

 

Also I have to say ,after what you have been through , it's not easy to explain it to others. People don't believe it. My experience has been same as yours. I have found Qigong to be of no use when it comes to these matters. But Quran and some sufi methods have been beneficial to me.

[Lairg]

On 4/2/2023 at 1:38 PM, old3bob said:

with Beingness,  which could also be called the source, of everything else (all souls & all worlds) that are born from it and someday return to it,

 

Is it more correct to say:  never left it?

 

 

[Nuralshamal]

4 hours ago, Learner said:

@Nuralshamal, Thankyou for posting your experiences. I learn a lot from your posts. 

 

I realize which ayah you are talking about . About moses confronting the magicians. Can you tell how many times does one has to read it and with what intention. 

 

 

Also I have to say ,after what you have been through , it's not easy to explain it to others. People don't believe it. My experience has been same as yours. I have found Qigong to be of no use when it comes to these matters. But Quran and some sufi methods have been beneficial to me.

Thanks for your positive feedback!

Yes, it's true, most people can't believe it.

I  too never believed in spirits and black magic, I thought it was just a stupid superstition. But then it happened to me!

Yes, it's Qur'an chapter 20 (Surah Ta-ha) verse 68-69.

You recite it 100 times at night before sleep, then blow 3x on the person affected by black magic. Then you make du'a to Allah for protection and removing the black magic.

You do it for 21 nights in a row. 

This was extremely powerful for me and my wife and gave us a solid break of about 6 months with zero issues, like I described in my big post above.
 

[old3bob]

4 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

Is it more correct to say:  never left it?

 

 

 

I'd say its also correct saying yes and or no, in a way, to your question....perhaps look at chapter 14 of the T.T.C.

Edited April 27, 2023 by old3bob

[Lairg]

In my observation, the standard human is never separate from The Source of All, even if that presence is very slight.

 

The Source of All is - regardless of whether any universes/humans have yet been manifested.

 

In one account there  is the distinction between being and becoming.  The manifested human is becoming while the beingness is always present in the human even if not recognised.

 

Not all human forms contain beingness.  An obvious sign of that is the absence of the deva managing the higher mental body.  Severe autism and dementia are common these days.

 

 

Edited April 27, 2023 by Lairg