Been standing long and wrong

[FriendLee]

Hello,

 

Since my college days, I have faith in the benefits of qigong, so I started practicing a lot. 

 

Now, 15 years later, it seems I am not able to benefit my own body, only heal others.

 

I stopped martial arts 9 years ago, thinking qigong and meditation is the way to go, anything more than that will waste my time.

 

Now I must admit, that I was much more fit when I did gongfu. I am wondering where did the benefits of qigong go.

 

Although I am very grateful for being able to help others with qi, I feel quite embarrassed for breathing hard when walking up a mountain, and it is obvious to me that I was not successful in my practice.

 

So, there is a lot of great information on this forum, I have been following it, since I started qigong but only now I sign up to discuss some issues, which I haven't come across in any of the discussions, yet.

 

[thelerner]

Greetings Friendlee, Welcome to the site.  Sounds like you have many stories to tell.  When I see my old martial art friends who still practice I realize how far I've fallen.  Its as if each year away, takes away one year of practice and conditioning.  I don't know about the skill and timing, but the conditioning comes back. 

 

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[RiverSnake]

I do healing work as a side gig ($)...you got a lot of issues in your energy draining you. Pm me if you'd like me to take a look. 

[FriendLee]

Thank you RiverSnake,

I like fish, but I prefer to learn how to fish. 

 

I used to practice Zhineng qigong for years, later mostly just zhan zhuang.

 

Just this week, I am coming back to give qigong a try, starting over like a beginner. 

 

My thought process rooted in craving, drives me to practice, I see the attachment to having qigong work out for me at least to get to a stage where one doesnt need to make any effort to practice. if the micro cosmic orbit would come online, I may cross off qigong from my to do list and throw away the list (actually I don't have a list)
 

[FriendLee]

Edit:

Today's practice session revealed the answers.

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by FriendLee

[sambista2002]

What answer ?

Was the original question expanded?

- (where did the benefits of qigong go)

- (find/get to a stage where one doesnt need to make any effort to practice): you want to know if resumed effort activates old benefits?

- IF (microscopic orbit online = suspend or abandon qigong practice) then: A. online/offline B. practice evanesces revelation re QG

benefits C. FriendLee redefined craving (craving = cause MCO to come online?)

 

What answer ?

Thanks

(I tend twd obtuse, apologies)

[FriendLee]

On December 21, 2020 at 1:51 PM, sambista2002 said:

What answer ?

Was the original question expanded?

- (where did the benefits of qigong go)

 

 I forgot the question 

 

yes the original question was expanded but became irrelevant and embarssing 

 

 

On December 21, 2020 at 1:51 PM, sambista2002 said:

 

- (find/get to a stage where one doesnt need to make any effort to practice): you want to know if resumed effort activates old benefits?

- IF (microscopic orbit online = suspend or abandon qigong practice) then: A. online/offline B. practice evanesces revelation re QG

benefits

 

mco online = abandon qigong and switch back to open awareness not paying  attention to ldt 

 

 

On December 21, 2020 at 1:51 PM, sambista2002 said:

C. FriendLee redefined craving (craving = cause MCO to come online?)

 

No craving does not cause the mco to come online. Craving for a certain result was the issue, which caused doubt and dissatisfaction, reevaluation of my practice, I felt stuck.

 

But through signing up here and writing about it, perhaps having a few people listen /read it, there came about a forward movement, like in focusing from gendlin.

 

 

On December 21, 2020 at 1:51 PM, sambista2002 said:

What answer ?

Thanks

 

simple conclusion for me,

patient and consistent practice with awareness centered in ldt instead of open awareness typ practice. 

 

 

On December 21, 2020 at 1:51 PM, sambista2002 said:

(I tend twd obtuse, apologies)

(I noticed that  no worries)

 

[idiot_stimpy]

I'm confused. 

 

To get MCO online you need to switch to open awareness or consistent practice with awareness centered in ldt?

[FriendLee]

Oh yes i tend to be abstruse 

 

To have the mco come online, I need to pay attention and sink qi to the ldt area, consistently from time of waking, until falling asleep. in a relaxed manner.

 

Before, I didnt take care of developing a ldt 

[idiot_stimpy]

49 minutes ago, FriendLee said:

Before, I didnt take care of developing a ldt 

 

Thank you, you have helped me too.

[FriendLee]

 

 

On December 21, 2020 at 1:51 PM, sambista2002 said:

C. FriendLee redefined craving (craving = cause MCO to come online?)

 

Actually, yes. craving is one of the causes.

 

so thanks @sambista2002

For asking, that caused me to take a closer look and formulate this more clearly for myself.

 

although that was not what I wanted to say previously,

 

one could say craving causes the mco, but 

here the causality chain should be eleborated for the benefit of a clearer understanding, not to fall for the delusion.

 

So I would propose, it goes something like this :

 

Delusion (MCO = increased happiness) causes craving (i want it)

 

craving causes discontent (i dont have it)

 

discontent causes mental action (reevaluation, what to do? how to do?)

 

mental action causes physical action (dilligent and consistent proper practice)

 

 

[FriendLee]

On December 22, 2020 at 9:23 PM, idiot_stimpy said:

 

Thank you, you have helped me too.

Thanks to your question, I took a step back, instead of paying attention to the LDT, which may lead to over doing it.

 

I just remain aware of paying attention to the LDT.

 

or one could say trying to pay attention to the awareness of the LDT.