Creation Posted June 25, 2022 9 hours ago, markern said: Craetion, when I have seen warnings about retention leading to "poison fire taints the heart" it has been presented as happening as long as you practice retention, regardless of motivations during sex. Do you think the poison fire thing only happens if the psychology is bad or just from retaining regardless? Not qualified to say, I'm afraid. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites