el_tortugo Posted November 23, 2021 It's a broad topic. I'd like to hear what you think about it and if you utilize it at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted November 23, 2021 'Nothing' - is when you make a post in white lettering 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el_tortugo Posted November 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Nungali said: 'Nothing' - is when you make a post in white lettering It's a sticky subject. Slippery too! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wstein Posted November 24, 2021 Nothing is without properties, features, or attributes of any kind. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doc benway Posted November 24, 2021 It is nothing you do… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted November 24, 2021 no-thing is not some-thing but it is not nothing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted November 24, 2021 No-thing : " I dont want to be a man or a woman .... a sexless alien is ........." ( wait for it ) " ......... kinda sexy . ' Ummmm wot ? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted November 24, 2021 Whatever isn’t a thing (object in the subject-object duality) is “no-thing” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el_tortugo Posted November 25, 2021 22 hours ago, wstein said: Nothing is without properties, features, or attributes of any kind. Do you think nothing is the same as the void? I always thought of the void or emptiness to actually be pregnant with possibility. Maybe it is, due to its intrinsic nothingness. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el_tortugo Posted November 25, 2021 12 hours ago, old3bob said: no-thing is not some-thing but it is not nothing... I've always loved this about nothing. It can be neither something nor nothing. If nothing were nothing, then it would be something. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iliketurtles Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) Empty space is anything but empty our common sense is that the void of outer space lacks substance there's nothing there but common sense is wrong. Empty space is actually not empty at all it's the exact opposite of empty it's as full as anything can possibly be. Hawking radiation theorized by Stephen Hawking occurs at the event horizon of a black hole. Empty space is filled to the brim with pairs of electrons and positrons that have fused as one what hawking has theorized is that the event horizon the gravitational field is so strong that these pairs of electron and positrons are ripped apart, preferentially the black hole absorbs the positrons and in so doing decreases the mass of the black hole over time the black hole will evaporate as a result of this and it will seed the universe with electrons. To give an analogy imagine that space is like a perfectly flat and level patch of ground now if you pull out your shovel you dig a hole as a result of digging the hole you'll have a mound of dirt if you return the mound of dirt to the hole you're back to where you started it's a zero sum situation. Physicist Lawrence Krauss in his book a universe from nothing explains how given infinite time that a random quantum vacuum fluctuation would happen with such intensity that it could generate an entire universe worth of matter and antimatter. The Mahayana Buddhists believed that the void or Shunyata was the origin of all matter and phenomenon. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-94-010-2650-5_13 For nearly two decades before 1972, Professor John Wheeler pursued a research program in physics that was predicated on a monistic ontology which W. K. Clifford had envisioned in 1870 and which Wheeler (1962b, p. 225) epitomized in the following words: “There is nothing in the world except empty curved space. Matter, charge, electromagnetism, and other fields are only manifestations of the bending of space. Physics is geometry.” Edited November 25, 2021 by Iliketurtles 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iliketurtles Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) Also I like your username! Edited November 25, 2021 by Iliketurtles 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wstein Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, el_tortugo said: Do you think nothing is the same as the void? I always thought of the void or emptiness to actually be pregnant with possibility. Maybe it is, due to its intrinsic nothingness. definitely not the same thing the 'void' as you describe it is "pregnant with possibility" (Eastern philosophy use of the term 'void'), I usually refer to this as 'potential'. 'Possibility' is a property or perhaps a feature disqualifying it as 'Nothing'. ---------------------------------------------------- Note that the term 'void' in western circles is more often used to describe a place where you can't perceive anything. This does not mean it lacks (actualized) things, only that you can't perceive them. ----------------------------------------------------------- [advanced] a warning for you OBE travelers: there is a lot of reality still in this "pregnant with possibility" state. Be cautious as 'you' can not go there as you are actualized and no longer just potential. As such, if you mange to go there, you would cease to be. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) "What is the sound of one hand clapping", is it silence? What is silence? Is there not a crushing silence and also a silence that is open and free? (Another context for some of us guys: If your wife is giving you the silent treatment that can be crushing but if she is knowingly happy but silent with you that is freeing...) Edited November 25, 2021 by old3bob 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el_tortugo Posted November 25, 2021 15 hours ago, old3bob said: crushing silence Potent phrase! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el_tortugo Posted November 25, 2021 16 hours ago, Iliketurtles said: Also I like your username! Also I like turtles! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted November 26, 2021 On 11/25/2021 at 11:15 AM, el_tortugo said: Do you think nothing is the same as the void? I always thought of the void or emptiness to actually be pregnant with possibility. Maybe it is, due to its intrinsic nothingness. Indeed : it contains 'the polarity' however you see it ( yin yang , + - , etc ) 0 = +n + - n . or 0 = '2' ( 'things' ) . 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
