Disgust As The Last Block Before Enlightenment

[dawn90]

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Inner Development is a natural process as i said just like inbreath

and outbreath, or the heartbeat.

This turning point of the outward and inward current is marked by

disgust towards the outward movement (the outer world with the

attachment to name and form only) this is because the outward

movement has simply exhausted all its power and you are left without

any aim so to stay alive you have turn back and dissolve all you have

achieved (the universe). You could say you breath in because of

disgust for the outward breath

 

Life is constantly propelled onwards by aversion and repulsion, being

attached to the 2 is the main factor that causes avidya. Being non

attached to them means being able to watch and understandthe

effect and interreleation of these forces and gives one a valuable

help in furthering ones spiritual development.

 

If you meditate on your breath process you do not stop the in and

outward movement you only begin to watch it.

 

You go through a small death process at the turning point of each

breath. Kundalini awakening can happen at the end of the old breath

and the beginning of the new.

 

Kundalini is also concernend with the real physical death

experience (the sequence of the dissolving of the tattwas (elemenst)

during the ascent of Kundalini is occuring in the same sequence

during the process of death of the physical body (this happens

also while falling asleep)

 

Meditating on this moment of falling asleep is therefore one method

of Yoga meditation connected with the same yoga teching that is

concerned with the awakening of kundalini.

 

During the end of the breath tattwas dissolve quickly, so fast you

usually do not notice that you go through a death process your world

gets dissolved (like in the Laya-Kundalini meditation) at the end of

each breath also naturally but very fast.

It requires a high degree of awareness to stay awake and remember

yourself to experience the samadhi at the end of breath,because we

fall into unconciousness in that very moment and forget immediately

afterwards where we have been and what we have experienced.

If you meditate at the turning point of the breath the first sign of

success will be if you notice that you glide into unconciousness and

come out again,the next step would be to try to stay awake-aware

multiplied by 3.

 

Some teachers say that the process of Kundalini meditation using the

symbols of the chakra and the spine etc. are artifical and do not

work as well as the meditation on the natural processes like breath,

sleep state meditation etc.

 

I thought this was interesting for the idea that the process of further enlightenment would be described as a passing through an increasing disgust for the outside breath.

[dwai]

On 1/31/2022 at 7:35 PM, dawn90 said:

 

I thought this was interesting for the idea that the process of further enlightenment would be described as a passing through an increasing disgust for the outside breath.

I think it is not disgust with "outward breath" but the outside world -- this is called vairagya, often translated as dispassion. In my experience, it is a sense of revulsion. But it is an intermediate stage before full realization occurs. 

[stirling]

This also features in the "Progress of Insight" from the Visuddhimagga, from the early Tipitaka Buddhist teachings, written by Buddhagosa.

 

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/mahasi/progress.html

 

In this case, however, disgust doesn't directly presage true insight, and as a feature does not mean a fruition that is the "whole enchilada". Individual meditators of traditions other than Theravada (or some Theravadans in general) may not experience every one of these knowledges as they arise.

 

Caveat: Maps like this are only useful with a qualified teacher.

[dawn90]

When you swallow, you make naturally a face of disgust.

 

You tighten the muscles next to the mouth.

 

And swallowing makes the surface of the tongue touch the palate.

 

So disgust leads to enlightenment.

 

Or would you stop making a face of disgust as soon as you mastered swallowing? Because as they say the roof of the mouth is where the Kundalini switch is.

 

Is disgust an impeder or a facilitator, for swallowing? Because I feel from the sides of my mouth two travelers, one goes from side down in the saliva gland, sublingual gland; and the other goes up towards the nostril.

And I'm thinking how both the roof and the floor of the mouth have to be connected in order for the Kundalini switch to activate.

 

Then I read somehow saliva helps with that - don't understand it, but that's what it does.

I think I need somebody more knowledgeable to put this all together.

But it makes sense right?

[dwai]

19 hours ago, dawn90 said:

When you swallow, you make naturally a face of disgust.

 

You tighten the muscles next to the mouth.

 

And swallowing makes the surface of the tongue touch the palate.

 

So disgust leads to enlightenment.

 

Or would you stop making a face of disgust as soon as you mastered swallowing? Because as they say the roof of the mouth is where the Kundalini switch is.

 

Is disgust an impeder or a facilitator, for swallowing? Because I feel from the sides of my mouth two travelers, one goes from side down in the saliva gland, sublingual gland; and the other goes up towards the nostril.

And I'm thinking how both the roof and the floor of the mouth have to be connected in order for the Kundalini switch to activate.

 

Then I read somehow saliva helps with that - don't understand it, but that's what it does.

I think I need somebody more knowledgeable to put this all together.

But it makes sense right?

I think you're wasting your time on this kind of inquiry - I don't mean to be harsh, just stating my observations. Don't try to hack the system -- as a rule, especially true in spiritual practices -- shortcuts end up being the longest path to your objective. 

[dawn90]

 

On 2/4/2022 at 5:10 PM, dwai said:

shortcuts end up being the longest path to your objective. 

Not what I'm doing.

[Lairg]

On 2/1/2022 at 11:35 AM, dawn90 said:

Life is constantly propelled onwards by aversion and repulsion...

 

Not your statement of course.

 

I would like to think that Existence is interpenetrated by Divine Light so that we are attracted by love and relationship rather than driven by aversion.

 

Still, I am often regarded as odd