Heatwave in Antarctica

[Nungali]

https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/powerful-heatwave-affecting-antarctic-continent-unprecedented-temperatures-40-degrees-above-average-rrc/

[ralis]

2 hours ago, Nungali said:

https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/powerful-heatwave-affecting-antarctic-continent-unprecedented-temperatures-40-degrees-above-average-rrc/

 

Fits the criteria for the Anthropogenic Global Warming model. AGW.

 

Same in the Arctic a few days ago.

Edited March 25, 2022 by ralis

[Lairg]

"The warmest temperature ever recorded in a permanent weather station of the Antarctic Plateau in 66 operational years"

 

So how long has Antarctica existed?   

 

At very least we should consider that the increasing trend in recorded temperatures only started with end of The Little Ice Age  - a couple of centuries ago.  Other than that we can guess which tree rings are annual and which are seasonal and deduce temperature accordingly.

 

Meanwhile:  https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/national-museum-of-natural-history/2021/08/06/greenhouse-gas-caused-global-cooling-34-million-years-ago-study-finds/

 

Do greenhouse gases keep the planet warm enough so that we do not starve to death - as millions did in Europe during the Little Ice Age?

[ralis]

21 minutes ago, Lairg said:

"The warmest temperature ever recorded in a permanent weather station of the Antarctic Plateau in 66 operational years"

 

So how long has Antarctica existed?   

 

At very least we should consider that the increasing trend in recorded temperatures only started with end of The Little Ice Age  - a couple of centuries ago.  Other than that we can guess which tree rings are annual and which are seasonal and deduce temperature accordingly.

 

Meanwhile:  https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/national-museum-of-natural-history/2021/08/06/greenhouse-gas-caused-global-cooling-34-million-years-ago-study-finds/

 

Do greenhouse gases keep the planet warm enough so that we do not starve to death - as millions did in Europe during the Little Ice Age?

Are you denying that Anthropogenic Global Warming exists? The model predicts extremes from heat to cooling to put is simply! 
 

In the case of AGW it is caused by human activity whereas the above discusses changes caused by natural processes. 

Edited March 25, 2022 by ralis

[Lairg]

It may be that variations in the sun's output have far greater impacts than humans on the global climate 

 

Meanwhile:

"We are trying to explain why the countries in the Northern Hemisphere more frequently encounter the extremely cold events against a global warming background, and we chose the 2020-21 extremely cold winter in China as a case study,"

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/680674

 

Who are the true believers?

 

Edited March 25, 2022 by Lairg

[ralis]

15 minutes ago, Lairg said:

It may be that variations in the sun's output have far greater impacts than humans on the global climate 

 

Meanwhile:

"We are trying to explain why the countries in the Northern Hemisphere more frequently encounter the extremely cold events against a global warming background, and we chose the 2020-21 extremely cold winter in China as a case study,"

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/680674

 

Who are the true believers?

 

Sun variations are not the cause! That argument has been absolutely refuted. 
 

Extreme cold can be easily explained by the disappearance of ancient Arctic sea ice. Why? Year round ice reflected light/heat. With very little ice at this time the dark water absorbs heat. Atmospheric physics explains the rest. 

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, ralis said:

Sun variations are not the cause! That argument has been absolutely refuted. 

 

How many years data are required for that refutation:  100 years, 1 million, 1 billion?

 

I might wait until the data series is a bit longer.  

[ralis]

9 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

How many years data are required for that refutation:  100 years, 1 million, 1 billion?

 

I might wait until the data series is a bit longer.  

 

I am well versed in the science of AGW plus there has already been much written on TDB.

Edited March 25, 2022 by ralis

[Nungali]

20 hours ago, ralis said:

 

Fits the criteria for the Anthropogenic Global Warming model. AGW.

 

Same in the Arctic a few days ago.

 

Yes, Nth and Sth Poles having a heatwave at same time !

[Nungali]

18 hours ago, Lairg said:

"The warmest temperature ever recorded in a permanent weather station of the Antarctic Plateau in 66 operational years"

 

So how long has Antarctica existed?   

 

Under what form ? Africa split off from it  160mya  Australia finished its departure about  30mya.

 

 

 

18 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

At very least we should consider that the increasing trend in recorded temperatures only started with end of The Little Ice Age  - a couple of centuries ago.  Other than that we can guess which tree rings are annual and which are seasonal and deduce temperature accordingly.

 

Well, thats  the parameters of the article , its about 'recorded temperature ' . 

 

It would have been a LOT hotter down there in the past ....  during the accretion phase   

 

The 'recent' cooling trend began  50 mya .  Past temperatures are not usually calculated by 'us guessing ' .

 

18 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

Meanwhile:  https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/national-museum-of-natural-history/2021/08/06/greenhouse-gas-caused-global-cooling-34-million-years-ago-study-finds/

 

Do greenhouse gases keep the planet warm enough so that we do not starve to death - as millions did in Europe during the Little Ice Age?

 

Here you go ;

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age#Possible_causes

[Nungali]

18 hours ago, ralis said:

Are you denying that Anthropogenic Global Warming exists? The model predicts extremes from heat to cooling to put is simply! 
 

In the case of AGW it is caused by human activity whereas the above discusses changes caused by natural processes. 

 

Thats why I prefer the term 'Global weather weirding '  over 'warming'   .   The 'simple minded folk' protest as its cooler sometimes ; "Aint no global warming here .... its a conspiracy I tells ya !  "    - we can add  'weird'  storms, droughts, ocean effects  etc .

 

Its still below  0 deg  in central Antarctica, even during the heat wave . It could bring / allow a LOT of snow to fall there  ( warmer air can hold more moisture )  and snow does eventually feed glaciers , but in this case , you would need an awful lot of snow for that  .

[Nungali]

16 hours ago, Lairg said:

It may be that variations in the sun's output have far greater impacts than humans on the global climate 

 

Meanwhile:

"We are trying to explain why the countries in the Northern Hemisphere more frequently encounter the extremely cold events against a global warming background, and we chose the 2020-21 extremely cold winter in China as a case study,"

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/680674

 

Who are the true believers?

 

 

The 'Global Weather Weirders'

[Nungali]

14 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

How many years data are required for that refutation:  100 years, 1 million, 1 billion?

 

I might wait until the data series is a bit longer.  

 

Okay, re check in 1000 years .  

[ralis]

8 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Okay, re check in 1000 years .  

 

I will put it on my calendar so I don't forget. I'm certain you will still be around. 

[S:C]

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/19/world/magnetic-fields-earth-intl-scli-scn/index.html

maybe some interesting 42.000 year old worldwide weather report news (called the Adams Event ), pole is shifting a bit even now while you're reading.

 

Edited May 25, 2023 by schroedingerscat
corrections

[Nungali]

It could be  about to 'flip' ;

 

" Models of the Earth’s magnetic field based on satellite observations have shown that the present wandering is the result of a battle between ‘blobs’ of unusually intense magnetic fields deep inside the planet. "

 

https://www.sciencefocus.com/planet-earth/earth-magnetic-field/

 

And this 'blob' battle is due to  H U G E  'tornadoes'  .... columns  of electromagnetic (and other) forces within the inner mantle, writhing about  *   -  I posted  about this here a few years back , with some computer generated images

 

 

 

 

* Similar  forces occur on the surface of the Sun ;

 

" ... made of hot, flowing gas and tangled magnetic field lines, ultimately driven by nuclear reactions in the solar core."

 

https://www.space.com/40273-huge-solar-tornadoes-dont-actually-spin.html

 

 

Edited March 26, 2022 by Nungali

[Lairg]

> a battle between ‘blobs’ of unusually intense magnetic fields deep inside the planet

 

I have completely misunderstood  geophysics.  Magnetic blobs is the key. 

 

 

[ralis]

22 hours ago, questionmark said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/19/world/magnetic-fields-earth-intl-scli-scn/index.html

maybe some interesting 42.000 year old worldwide weather report news (called the Adams Event ), pole is shifting a bit even now while you're reading.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/19/world/magnetic-fields-earth-intl-scli-scn/index.htm

 

 

 

Are you relating this to Anthropogenic Global Warming?

[S:C]

I wouldn't dare to!

[ralis]

7 minutes ago, questionmark said:

I wouldn't dare to!

Thanks!

[Nungali]

13 hours ago, Lairg said:

> a battle between ‘blobs’ of unusually intense magnetic fields deep inside the planet

 

I have completely misunderstood  geophysics.  Magnetic blobs is the key. 

 

 

 

 

 

Blob meets Magneto  ?

 

- would you be happier with 'colluding vortices of nuclear core fuelled charged plasma tornadoes deep within the mantle'  ?  

Edited March 26, 2022 by Nungali

[Lairg]

I had thought that the core of the planet was supposed to be liquid magma that is gradually cooling - and producing a magnetic field strangely not aligned to the physical spin

 

If it is actually a nuclear reaction, that would change everything - and perhaps explain why deep water springs produce Helium 3

 

 

Edited March 26, 2022 by Lairg

[themiddleway]

Hard to know what is weather v climate and what is natural variability v genuine AGW signal , also current La Nina cycle of el nino oscillation.   

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/10/01/south-pole-coldest-winter-record/

 

https://www.carbonbrief.org/el-nino-causes-west-antarcticas-ice-shelves-gain-height-yet-lose-mass

 

https://phys.org/news/2022-03-ancient-el-nios-reveals-limits.html

 

 

 

 

[Lairg]

In 1997 the US Sec of Defense spoke about weather weapons that could cause volcanoes and earthquakes and alter the climate..

 

The US has been pretty low key since then on that subject. After all if enemies have such technology, who in the US is safe?

 

https://www.semissourian.com/forums/speakout/thread/923

 

Such weaponry is by no means new, having been announced by Khrushchev in 1964

 

This weaponry is these days thought to be scalar weapons

 

https://www.jstor.org/stable/48531830

https://www.amazon.com/Fer-Lance-Briefing-Electromagnetic-Weapons/dp/0914119036

Edited March 27, 2022 by Lairg

[ralis]

11 hours ago, Lairg said:

In 1997 the US Sec of Defense spoke about weather weapons that could cause volcanoes and earthquakes and alter the climate..

 

The US has been pretty low key since then on that subject. After all if enemies have such technology, who in the US is safe?

 

https://www.semissourian.com/forums/speakout/thread/923

 

Such weaponry is by no means new, having been announced by Khrushchev in 1964

 

This weaponry is these days thought to be scalar weapons

 

https://www.jstor.org/stable/48531830

https://www.amazon.com/Fer-Lance-Briefing-Electromagnetic-Weapons/dp/0914119036

 

I read Tom Bearden's books years ago along with all the books on so called free energy devices, scalar/psychotronic weapons etc. None of these devices work at all and most are frauds perpetrated by con men! Nothing but wet dreams! Even if over unity devices are theoretically feasible there is no way to implement such devices. 

 

A few years ago I was invited to implement a training program for a new type of technology that would revolutionize communications with gravitational waves based on Eulers theory of continued fractions. I signed a NDA, for the receipt of documents, promised seven figures, perks and so forth. Needless to say the project was fraught with problems that I suspected would eventually come to light. 

 

It is important to think critically, ask very specific questions, which can save time and disappointment, which I did. Luckily I know a few world class scientists that I can discuss ideas with. Los Alamos Labs are 35 miles from my house.

 

Let's get back on topic!

 

BTW, bioscalar waves do exist.

 

 

Edited March 27, 2022 by ralis