Cobie Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said: When we say 2 like yin and yang it is 1. so two means one and one means two … The mountain has 2 sides. The shadow side is 1 side. The light side is 1 side. 1 shadow side + 1 light side = 2 sides 1 + 1 = 2 1 mountain having 2 sides. The mountain remains 1 mountain. 1 = 1 and 2 = 2 Edited June 20, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said: Seeing with out seeing is truly seeing … In my experience it’s a temporary stage in healing. Edited June 20, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wu Ming Jen Posted June 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Cobie said: The mountain has 2 sides. The shadow side is 1 side. The light side is 1 side. 1 shadow side + 1 light side = 2 sides 1 + 1 = 2 1 mountain having 2 sides. The mountain remains 1 mountain. 1 = 1 and 2 = 2 There is dark within light and light within the darkness, the mountain has dark and light they can not be separated they are one. yin and yang are one. one can not exist with out the other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said: … one can not exist with out the other. True. But that does not make them 1. 2 sides 1 mountain Edited June 20, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
鞏三孝 Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, awaken said: If you don't want to learn, please don't leave your message here. Did you see the title {if you want to learn....}? I don't want to talk too much with hostile people Please keep your hostility in your own heart This person seems to be stuck with the old Taiwanese education culture. Before, in Taiwan, teachers had absolute authority, and students basically could only memorize what the teacher taught, and they were not welcome to ask questions. Debate or rebuttal from student to teacher was unheard of. Largely due to the influence of Western educational culture, the old style of teaching has become increasingly unpopular in Taiwan, especially for people under the age of forty. Ironically, Awaken now uses this pedantic and outdated culture in a Western context. She seemingly did not expect that Westerners would not think that coming to "learn" means blindly trusting everything the teacher says, and she didn't understand that in modern times, a "good student" could be a student who contradicted the teacher. Even weirder, she seems to think people who aren't even her followers should put her on some pedestal and never disagree with her. I feel that this person Awaken is not looking for someone who really wants to learn. It is like she is looking for something closer to cult believers who are submissive and flattering. Possibly it's because Taiwan already has a Miaochan and many other Great Masters, so there's too much competition here. She had to run to the west to search for believers. Well known joke in Hong Kong and Taiwan: Everybody Say Thank You Seafood (shifu)......... Edited June 20, 2022 by 鞏三孝 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damdao Posted June 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Cobie said: The characters are 先天 , that means ’innate’. To separate the characters and translate as ‘pre’ ‘heaven’ is like translating 天氣 (weather) as ‘heaven’ ‘chi’. In fact, you can translate it as pre-heaven because is classical chinese, not contemporary chinese. It could be translated as pre-heaven, before heaven or earlier heaven. And it is not human related (it is not something innate to a human being), it is a stage in the cosmic development. You have a xiantian bagua and a houtian bagua (and certainly these are not innate bagua and acquired bagua) and they have the trigrams in different places. Basically it refers to a pristine and undecaying state before the manifestation of the ten thousand things. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wu Ming Jen Posted June 20, 2022 Pre Heaven generally presents a polar view that brings Heaven and Earth meet together on the horizon creating a continuous line and a broken line, thereby giving birth to Yin and Yang; Fire rises to Heaven while Water falls to Earth. (Sometimes Fire and Water are referred to as the Sun and the Moon respectively.) Thunder and sudden movement stirs the Winds of spring. Lake is concave in the Earth's crust while Mountain elevates from the Earth . The Post Heaven symbol, or Cyclical View places the basic eight symbols in a circle with their corresponding properties aligned with the seasons. Most significant to the Post-Heaven symbol is the replacement of Heaven in the Pre-Heaven with with Fire (Sun and Summer), and the replacement of Earth in the Pre-Heaven with Water (Moon and Winter). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wu Ming Jen Posted June 20, 2022 36 minutes ago, damdao said: In fact, you can translate it as pre-heaven because is classical chinese, not contemporary chinese. It could be translated as pre-heaven, before heaven or earlier heaven. And it is not human related (it is not something innate to a human being), it is a stage in the cosmic development. You have a xiantian bagua and a houtian bagua (and certainly these are not innate bagua and acquired bagua) and they have the trigrams in different places. Basically it refers to a pristine and undecaying state before the manifestation of the ten thousand things. Do you practice Baguazhang ? The art has so much depth and wonderful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Master Logray Posted June 20, 2022 5 hours ago, 鞏三孝 said: Well known joke in Hong Kong and Taiwan: Everybody Say Thank You Seafood (shifu)......... I have the impression that Taiwan is almost completely Buddhist, even though there are a lot of Taoist temples. In bookstore, 95% of the books are Buddhist. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, damdao said: … classical chinese … The meaning of classical Chinese characters depends on the context. With 八卦 ba1 gua4 / 氣 qi4: 先 xian1 - pre / first. 後 hou4 - post / latter. 天 tian1 - innate / season. Edited June 21, 2022 by Cobie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) On 19/06/2022 at 6:15 PM, awaken said: … 其實我並不滿意這張圖片 … Actually I'm not satisfied with this picture What would you have liked different in the picture? Edited June 20, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
鞏三孝 Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Master Logray said: I have the impression that Taiwan is almost completely Buddhist, even though there are a lot of Taoist temples. In bookstore, 95% of the books are Buddhist. If you go to the religious section of Eslite Books , yes, much more Buddhist. If you go to the religious section of San Min Books, very big Taoist section. The influence of Christianity is strong here too even though it has fewer believers. Many religions are hard to classify as Buddhist, Taoist or a mix or offshoot or reinterpretation. Such as Yi Kuan Tao, Tian Ti Jiao, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Taiwan Edited June 21, 2022 by 鞏三孝 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Master Logray Posted June 21, 2022 8 hours ago, 鞏三孝 said: If you go to the religious section of Eslite Books , yes, much more Buddhist. If you go to the religious section of San Min Books, very big Taoist section. The influence of Christianity is strong here too even though it has fewer believers. Many religions are hard to classify as Buddhist, Taoist or a mix or offshoot or reinterpretation. Such as Yi Kuan Tao, Tian Ti Jiao, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Taiwan Eslite is everywhere. San Min got 1 store and its blue green books are printed in 2005 for my collections. I think it is quite alright to mix religious and philosophical beliefs. Having new religions is also exciting. But Neidan is too technical, so it is better to be pure to avoid unwanted side effects. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damdao Posted June 21, 2022 23 hours ago, Wu Ming Jen said: Do you practice Baguazhang ? The art has so much depth and wonderful. At this moment I mainly practice Xingyi quan. I know some basics from Cheng Bagua (8 palms). And I agree, bagua for the body (and yijing for the mind) it is a good way to deepen our comprehension of post heaven bagua. I think that neidan is good to understand preheaven bagua but it is a very advanced experience. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
awaken Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) On 2022/6/21 at 5:04 AM, Cobie said: What would you have liked different in the picture? 我喜歡山水潑墨畫的氣流感，但是找不到人會畫 I like the air flu of Chinese landscape painting with splashing ink, but I can't find anyone who can paint it 我想強調的是氣的自由意境 What I want to emphasize is the free mood of chi 在自由當中產生的天然動能 萬物自然演化的力量 Natural kinetic energy generated in freedom The power of natural evolution Edited June 23, 2022 by awaken 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
awaken Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 有些人開始思考是否我的功態是論壇最高的 最高的應該不是，最強的也不是 最深的應該是的 我很清楚我練得非常的深 而我也不吝嗇把越練越深的辦法分享給各位 就是無為演化 希望有越來越多的人跟我一樣能夠練得深 Some people are starting to wonder if my state is the highest on the forum The highest should not be, the strongest is not The deepest should be I know very well that I have cultivated very deeply And I am not stingy to share with you the way to cultivate more and more deeply. wu-wei, evolution I hope more and more people can cultivate as deeply as I do 多一個人練得深，就多一個人看穿氣功假大師的騙局 所以氣功假大師的信徒就會來攻擊我 在這個論壇，我能做的也只是忽略這些人 感謝願意和我一起尋找真理之路的人 The more people who cultivate deeply, the more people will see through the deceptions of fake qigong masters So believers of fake qigong masters will attack me All I can do is ignore these people on this forum Thank you to those who are willing to join me in finding the path of truth Edited June 26, 2022 by awaken Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
awaken Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 我練過武術，在我二十歲的時候我很努力的練了一整年 我練過螳螂拳，八卦掌，太極拳 我的宗門大師是劉雲樵 我以前練武術的時候，大家從不談論武術，只是練而已 武術沒什麼好談的 即使練到頭頂冒煙，也沒人談論 關於氣功，我練的是自發功，這一點我已經說過很多次了 如果要談論自發功，我可以談，但是前提是你必須先有善意 I practiced martial arts, I worked hard for a whole year when I was 20 I have practiced Tanglangquan, Baguazhang, Taijiquan My sect master is Liu Yunqiao When I used to practice martial arts, my friends never talked about martial arts, we just practiced Martial arts are nothing to talk about No one talks about it even if we practice until we get smoke above our head Regarding qigong, I practice spontaneous gong, which I have said many times. If you want to talk about spontaneous gong, I can talk about it, but only if you have good intentions 我對武術和氣功沒有什麼意見 只有對搬運法盜用丹道名詞有意見 I have no problem with martial arts and qigong Only have opinions on the misappropriation of the noun of Alchemy by the transfer method 如果一個氣功大師不要盜用丹道名詞，我對這個氣功大師也同樣沒意見 如果一個氣功大師要使用丹道名詞，就不要扭曲真相，請還給丹道真相 If a qigong master does not steal the name of Alchemy, I also have no problem with this qigong master If a qigong master wants to use the name of Alchemy, don't distort the truth, please give back the truth of Alchemy 如果氣功大師不懂丹道名詞，卻裝懂胡說八道，那這就是氣功假大師 If a qigong master does not understand the nouns of alchemy, but pretends to understand and talk nonsense, then this is a fake qigong master 任何一個想要學習氣功的人都要小心這類的氣功假大師，明明不懂，還要裝懂，誤導他人，這類的氣功假大師非常不道德 Anyone who wants to learn qigong should be careful of such fake qigong masters. They pretend to understand and mislead others. Such fake qigong masters are very immoral. Edited June 26, 2022 by awaken 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
awaken Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 有的人說他不屑腦袋中出現幾何圖形 我就說，有本事練出來再來說吧 光是吹牛有什麼用呢？ 更何況幾何圖形也不是出現在腦袋中 幾何圖形是一種大自然的現象 在瑜伽當中也有同樣的現象 在密宗當中也有同樣的現象 在丹道當中當然也有同樣的現象 你對這些現象不屑那是你的價值觀 對練氣功不屑的人也很多啊 對在公園揮舞著棍子並且跳著太極舞蹈的人不屑的也很多啊 在中國對太極舞蹈不屑的就有一個很有名的打假散打選手 Some say he disdains geometric shapes in his head I said, if you have the ability to reach it, let's talk about it. What's the use of just bragging? What's more, geometric figures don't appear in the head Geometry is a phenomenon of nature The same thing happens in yoga The same phenomenon occurs in tantra Of course, the same phenomenon occurs in Alchemy. Your disdain for these phenomena is your value There are also many people who are disdainful of practicing qigong. There are also many people who disdain people waving sticks and dancing Tai Chi in the park. In China, there is a famous anti-fake Sanda player who disdains Tai Chi dance. 丹道和佛法都是在入定態中達到一種深度成就 這和武術以身體的打鬥是完全不同的領域 一個練武術的人說對入定態當中的現象感到不屑，這和一個練入定態的人跟練太極拳舞蹈的人感到不屑，有什麼不同呢？ 都是價值觀的無聊比較而已 這並不是我要講的重點 我要講的重點是有許多氣功假大師用丹道名詞來吹噓自己的成就，這裡面隱藏了很多謊話，這才是我要講的重點 Dao and Dharma both achieve a deep achievement in a state of meditation This is a completely different field from martial arts that uses physical combat What is the difference between a person who practices martial arts saying that he feels disdain for the phenomenon of entering a state of tranquility, and a person who practices a state of mindfulness and those who practice Taijiquan dance? It's just a boring comparison of values. That's not what I'm talking about The main point I want to talk about is that there are many fake qigong masters who use the term alchemy to brag about their achievements. There are a lot of lies hidden in it. This is the main point I want to talk about. Edited June 26, 2022 by awaken Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
awaken Posted June 26, 2022 前幾天我問了出版社 如果我的書翻譯成英文需要多少費用 出版社跟我說需要5050美元 太貴了 這件事情就先擺著吧 有興趣的，自己用google翻譯吧 翻譯的成本太高 如果有人嫌棄我用google翻譯得不好 我就把這個人列入忽略名單 永遠不理他 無聊 I asked the publisher the other day How much will it cost if my book is translated into English The publisher told me it needed $5,050 too expensive Set this thing up first If you are interested, use google translate. Translation costs are too high If someone dislikes my poor google translation I'll put this person on the ignore list Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
awaken Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 我剛才發現了一篇討論文章 總算對這個論壇又多瞭解了一些 我應該可以確定有一小群人使用不違規的文字，但是卻帶有惡意的文字在霸凌他人 這是非常狡猾的行為 我覺得我不願意浪費時間在這種人身上 如果我要在這個論壇寫東西，唯一能做的，就是對這一小群人視若無睹，當作沒看見，這是唯一能做的事情 難怪我不斷看到有人說，不願意在這個論壇留言 感覺有『劣幣驅逐良幣』的氣氛 I just found an old discussion article Finally got to know more about this forum I should be sure that there is a small group of people who use non-violative text but have malicious text that is bullying others This is very cunning I don't think I want to waste my time with this kind of persons If I'm going to write something on this forum, the only thing I can do is turn a blind eye to this small group of people, pretend I don't see them, that's the only way I can do No wonder I keep seeing people saying they don't want to leave a message on this forum I feel like there is an atmosphere of "bad money drives out good money" 過程中有很多人提醒我使用忽略名單 為什麼被逼到要用忽略名單 就是因為有一小群人很擅於使用不違規的文字隱藏他的惡意 當你想要討論某件事情的時候 這一群人就來跟你糾纏不清 這個論壇並沒有像臉書那種完全封鎖的功能 所以唯一能做的就是忽略功能的利用 Many people reminded me to use ignore list during the process Why am I being forced to use the ignore list? It's because there's a small group of people who are very good at hiding their malice with non-violating text when you want to discuss something This small group of people is here to mess with you This forum doesn't have a completely blocked feature like Facebook does So the only thing that can be done is to ignore the utilization of the function 我也聽到有人說他已經忽略了三分之二的人了 我還不知道這裡有多少會員 反正就是只要感受到惡意，就忽略 就是善用自己的感覺能力 I've also heard someone say he's ignoring two-thirds of people I don't know how many members there are Anyway, as long as I feel malicious, ignore it just to use my own senses 我也觀察到這一小群惡意者的行為 他很清楚知道我將他列入忽略名單 卻還是緊追著我不放 因為他知道即使我將他列入忽略名單 他的名字還是會出現在貼文之中 這一小群人就一搭一唱想要藉機擾亂貼文者的心 讓貼文者因此而生氣說出污辱他人的話 這樣這群人就可以順理成章的去投訴這個人 這樣的心機真是太可怕了 一邊分享修煉文章，一邊還要應付這種惡意心機者，挺累人的 難怪之前看到許多蠻好的分享者消失了 也難怪這些人不想分享了 I also observed the behavior of this small group of malicious actors They knew very well that I put him on the ignore list But still chasing after me Because he knows even if I put him on the ignore list His name will still appear in the post This small group of people sings and sings to take the opportunity to disturb the hearts of the posters Make the poster angry and say something insulting In this way, this group of people can logically file a complaint against this person. This kind of scheming is so scary It's tiring to deal with such malicious and scheming people while sharing cultivation articles. No wonder I saw so many good sharers disappear No wonder these people don't want to share 這群人願意浪費他的時間在無關緊要的事情上 只為了展現他的自我感 但是我不願意浪費我的時間在這種人身上 我寫在這篇也是給對我的文章有興趣的朋友看的 當我想要在這個平台發言的時候，我必須清楚這個平台有什麼黑暗面，有什麼規則 這個平台的規則很明顯就是不可以侮辱個人 但是並不禁止使用隱晦的文字去騷擾一個人 因此有一小群人就走這樣的路線去騷擾他人 直到被騷擾者忍無可忍，說出侮辱的語言 這樣他就達成他的目的了 This group of people is willing to waste his time on things that don't matter Just to show his sense of self But I don't want to waste my time on this kind of person I am writing this for friends who are interested in my article When I want to speak on this platform, I have to know what the dark side of this platform is and what are the rules The rules of this platform are obviously not to insult individuals But it's not forbidden to use obscure words to harass a person So there is a small group of people who go down this route to harass others Until the harassed person can't bear it anymore and speaks insulting language So he achieves his purpose 大部分對修煉有興趣的人都非常的善良正直 遇到這樣的人真的是不知道該怎麼辦才好 我也很感謝有幾個人一直告訴我要善用忽略名單 當然我也看到那一小群惡意散播者不斷的在慫恿我放棄忽略名單 這是非常奇怪的現象 當然一個論壇要想維持一個開放性，又想要維持一個和諧，確實非常困難 因為有不同的論點互相激盪 要求論壇要完全符合自己的心意當然是不可能的事情 只能自己去研究論壇到底是怎麼回事 如何才能和諧地發表自己的想法 而不受到這一小群惡意散播者的威脅 確實是非常困難的事情 Most people who are interested in cultivation are very kind and honest I really don't know what to do with someone like this(malicious) I'm also thankful that several people keep telling me to make good use of the ignore list Of course, I also see that small group of malicious communicators keep urging me to drop the ignore list This is very strange phenomenon Of course, it is very difficult for a forum to maintain openness and harmony at the same time. because there are different arguments It is of course impossible to ask the forum to be completely in line with one's own mind I can only research what's going on in the forum myself. How to express my thoughts harmoniously without being threatened by this small group of malicious spreaders really difficult thing 初學者來到這個論壇就是希望能夠學習到一些新的東西 但是願意分享的人卻被這一小群人給嚇跑了 當然這不是我的論壇，我也不需要擔心這件事情 我只要了解這個論壇的潛規則就夠了 就是忽略惡意散播者就夠了 Beginners come to this forum hoping to learn something new But those who are willing to share are scared away by this small group of people Of course this is not my forum and I don't need to worry about it I just need to understand the unspoken rules of this forum It's enough to ignore malicious spreaders Edited June 26, 2022 by awaken Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, awaken said: I watched the start of the video. Lei Lei (traditional) down in less than 20 seconds against Xu Xiaodong (modern fighting techniques). Lei Lei says it’s because he can’t employ his secret powers because they are lethal. Master Ding a draw. His excuse, he didn’t eat enough. From the video, “The 4 courses of Chinese martial arts: speaking, learning, amusing, singing.” Yes, I read before that the roots of Chinese martial arts lie in rural society’s superstitious beliefs, ritual practices and opera. Practitioners believed in their own invulnerability to swords and rifle fire. The Boxer Rebellion ended this believe in the supernatural power of martial arts. Modern martial arts films have their root in reporting (by the new medium of film) about the Boxer Rebellion. https://chinesemartialstudies.com/2017/03/24/the-boxer-rebellion-and-stories-we-tell-about-chinese-martial-arts/ Edited June 26, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, awaken said: …That's not what I'm talking about … Yes, I know that. Edited June 26, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted June 26, 2022 13 hours ago, awaken said: ...Dao … achieve a deep achievement in a state of meditation This is a completely different field from martial arts that uses physical combat … Exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, awaken said: … too expensive … Yes. Edited June 26, 2022 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted June 26, 2022 4 hours ago, awaken said: … How to express my thoughts harmoniously without being threatened by this small group of malicious spreaders really difficult thing … They will try to provoke you, for as long as you try to convert them. Let them be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
