If you want to learn Wu Wei Dan Dao, you can ask me questions here.

[Cobie]

14 hours ago, awaken said:

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=無為丹道&i=stripbooks-intl-ship&crid=3801WHWR7C539&sprefix=無為丹道%2Cstripbooks-intl-ship%2C305&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 

Takes me ages to read one line, lol, so work in progress. But I do like this: 強調自學, 不需要老師 

 

 

Edited June 19, 2022 by Cobie

[Wu Ming Jen]

What is the miss  understanding of pre heaven chi, the time before we have a body is it that hard to understand?  With out a body what affliction could you possible have? Why add obstruction of that which already exist? Is that not a burden to put to rest?

Edited June 19, 2022 by Wu Ming Jen

[awaken]

3 hours ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

What is the miss  understanding of pre heaven chi, the time before we have a body is it that hard to understand?  With out a body what affliction could you possible have? Why add obstruction of that which already exist? Is that not a burden to put to rest?

 

我了解你為什麼看不懂我寫的原因

修煉就是如此

你的程度太差，說什麼都沒辦法理解

你的程度大概是我二十五年前的程度，落差太大，加上你又太過自滿，溝通的橋樑因此無法建立

說再多都沒用

 

I understand why you can't read what I wrote

Cultivation is like that

Your level is too bad, you can't understand anything

Your level is about the level I was 25 years ago, the gap is too big, and you are too complacent, so the bridge of communication cannot be established

It's useless to say more

 

If you don't want to learn, please don't leave your message here.

Did you see the title {if you want to learn....}?

I don't want to talk too much with hostile people

Please keep your hostility in your own heart

Edited June 20, 2022 by awaken

[awaken]

5 hours ago, Cobie said:

Takes me ages to read one line, lol, so work in progress. But I do like this: 強調自學, 不需要老師 

 

 

 

自發功本來就不需要老師

除非程度太差

大部分的人都能自己產生氣感

所以我看到許多練搬運法的人，還需要各種方法才能產生氣感

我就覺得練自發功的人很幸福，不需要老師，不需要方法，氣感就非常的清楚

也替練搬運法的人感到可悲，只是一個簡單的氣感，卻要如此大張旗鼓的自我吹噓

 

Spontaneous gong does not need a teacher

unless his level is too bad

Most people can produce their own Qi

So I see many people who practice the transfer method, and need various methods to generate a sense of qi

I feel that people who practice spontaneous gong are very happy, they don’t need teachers, they don’t need methods, and their sense of qi is very clear.

It is also sad for those who practice the transfer method, it is just a simple sense of qi, but it is necessary to brag about it so much

 

我練習自發功從來沒有被老師教過，我相信也有人可以做到我所做到的

我能做的就是把自己的經驗分享出去，讓更多人理解

氣是不需要方法去鼓動的

只要給自己的心靈足夠的自由，氣就會自然產生，而且會走自己的路

 

可惜肯給自己自由的人太少了

大多數的人就像莊子齊物論裡面說的，罔兩對影子說，你為什麼沒有自己的想法呢？你為什麼要跟著別人的形體走呢？

 

I have never been taught by a  teacher to practice spontaneous gong, and I believe that there are people who can do what I have done

What I can do is to share my experience so that more people can understand

Qi does not need a way to incite

As long as you give your mind enough freedom, qi will naturally arise, and it will go its own way.

It's a pity that too few people are willing to give themselves freedom

Most of the people are just like what Zhuangzi said in the theory of the equalization of things, and the ghost said to the shadow, why don't you have your own ideas? Why should you follow other people's bodies?

 

我們換一個角度來看，莊子為什麼這樣說

不就是因為當時很多人沒有自己的想法，只知道按照別人的話去行動嗎？

所以不要以為搬運法有傳承就特別了不起，事實上障礙你的正是這些思想

 

Let's look at it from another angle, why did Zhuangzi say this?

Isn't it because many people didn't have their own ideas at that time, they only knew how to act according to other people's words?

So don't think that the transfer method is special because it is inherited. In fact, it is these thoughts that hinder you.

Edited June 20, 2022 by awaken

[Wu Ming Jen]

4 hours ago, awaken said:

 

我了解你為什麼看不懂我寫的原因

修煉就是如此

你的程度太差，說什麼都沒辦法理解

你的程度大概是我二十五年前的程度，落差太大，加上你又太過自滿，溝通的橋樑因此無法建立

說再多都沒用

 

I understand why you can't read what I wrote

Cultivation is like that

Your level is too bad, you can't understand anything

Your level is about the level I was 25 years ago, the gap is too big, and you are too complacent, so the bridge of communication cannot be established

It's useless to say more

 

If you don't want to learn, please don't leave your message here.

Did you see the title {if you want to learn....}?

I don't want to talk too much with hostile people

Please keep your hostility in your own heart

I understand why you can not understand what i am saying because because you are lost in yourself and method. You are not able to transcend yourself and are stuck in the physical realm, the illusion of self.

 

Your teaching are shallow and depend on words from the past with no true application. You can fool yourself and others but some day you might want to grow up. Your insults show your immaturity like a child. 

 

[Wu Ming Jen]

You want to give lessons but can not take a lesson. Arrogance against others WHICH YOU HAVE PROVEN here is stopping your growth.

 

你想上课，但不能上课。你在这里证明的对他人的傲慢正在阻止你的成长。

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by Wu Ming Jen

[Wu Ming Jen]

真正敌对的不是别人，而是你自己的投射。你有需要必须满足作为你自己利益的权威..孩子

[Cobie]

4 hours ago, awaken said:

… 自己的心靈足夠的自由，氣就會自然產生，而且會走自己的路 …

Yes, that’s my experience too. : )

[Wu Ming Jen]

人们从他们给予的东西而不是他们阻止的东西中知道。我看到了阻碍

[Cobie]

25 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

真正敌对的不是别人，而是你自己的投射。…

 

I think it’s always best to first and foremost apply this to oneself.

 

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by Cobie

[Wu Ming Jen]

7 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

人们从他们给予的东西而不是他们阻止的东西中知道。我看到了阻碍

This is exactly what I was saying. The the chi will arise on its own giving  your own way... Tao   That was before I was insulted. The pre heaven chi will fill you.... spontaneous

[Cobie]

2 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

… the chi will arise on its own giving  your own way... Tao   … The pre heaven chi will fill you.... spontaneous

Great, seems we are all in agreement on this. 

 

[Wu Ming Jen]

One must see the redundancy of information and the rant of the transfer method which I agree is a mistake, but really

[awaken]

15 minutes ago, Cobie said:

 

I think it’s always best to first and foremost apply this to oneself.

 

 

 

你說得太好了

但是我已經不想理會這個人了

已經把他列入忽略名單了

我不想浪費時間在這種無法溝通的人身上

 

you said so well

But I don't want to care about this man anymore

I've put him on the ignore list

I don't want to waste time with someone who can't communicate

 

這個人完全沒有先天氣，卻在談論先天氣，這是很不應該的行為

所以我不想和這種盲目的人說話

 

This person has no pre-heaven Qi at all, but is talking about it, which is very inappropriate behavior

So I don't want to talk to blind people like this

Edited June 20, 2022 by awaken

[awaken]

先天氣和後天氣有嚴格的標準，其鑑別的標準，我也很清楚的寫在另外一個主題

再重申一次，這個主題是留給有意願學習的人

 

There are strict standards for pre-heaven Qi and post-heaven Qi and I also clearly write the criteria for their identification in another topic

Again, this topic is reserved for those who are willing to learn

 

 

 

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by awaken

[Cobie]

4 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

… redundancy of information and the rant …

Yes, that doesn’t help in conveying the actual message. 

[Wu Ming Jen]

 

2 minutes ago, awaken said:

 

你說得太好了

但是我已經不想理會這個人了

已經把他列入忽略名單了

我不想浪費時間在這種無法溝通的人身上

 

you said so well

But I don't want to care about this man anymore

I've put him on the ignore list

I don't want to waste time with someone who can't communicate

 

這個人完全沒有先天氣，卻在談論先天氣，這是很不應該的行為

所以我不想和這種盲目的人說話

 

This person has no pre-heaven Qi at all, but is talking about it, which is very inappropriate behavior

So I don't want to talk to blind people like this

You must put me on ignore to protect yourself. I agree. The self is a fragile thing and not forever

[awaken]

初學者如果想要了解什麼是先天氣，一定心裡要有一個戒心，氣功借用丹道的名詞，很多在意義上已經被嚴重扭曲了

例如先天氣就是被嚴重扭曲的一個名詞

除此之外，還有許多被嚴重扭曲的名詞

相關的資料，我都會張貼在另外一個主題

 

The  beginners who want to understand what is the pre-heaven Qi must have a guard in your hearts. Qigong and transfer method practicers borrows the noun of Alchemy, many of which have been seriously distorted in meaning.

For example, pre-heaven Qi is a term that has been seriously distorted.

In addition, there are many seriously distorted nouns

I'll post the relevant information in another thread

 

 

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by awaken

[Wu Ming Jen]

See how the the stand authority is so easily threatened and must hide. That which is being held back may now be be put in the light. 

[awaken]

各位初學者，要非常小心，當你花費了大量的心力想要學習丹道

卻被氣功誤導到另外一個方向，浪費了你的青春歲月，甚至還不斷的遺精

你就要起疑心了

到底出了什麼問題？

是中國丹道錯了嗎？還是你被搬運法誤導了？

我在這裡寫下文字，就是希望減少初學者被誤導的風險，能救一個是一個。

 

Beginners, be very careful, when you spend a lot of effort trying to learn Alchemy

But you were misled by qigong to another direction, wasting your youthful years, and even continued to have nocturnal emission.

you're going to be suspicious

What  is going wrong?

Is Chinese Alchemy wrong? Or are you being misled by the transfer method?

I am writing the text here in the hope of reducing the risk of beginners being misled and do my best to save as many as I could.

[awaken]

當你的價值觀被引導到錯誤的方向的時候，你再也看不到真正的先天氣是什麼了

因為你已經把後天氣的一個形象認定為先天氣

這樣的行為導致你這輩子再也無法產生真正的先天氣了

這是非常可怕的思想誤導

佛陀在金剛經就講這樣的思想誤導，各位從梵文版直接翻譯的金剛經就可以看得出來佛陀的用心

各位可以比對梵文版和鳩摩羅什中文翻譯版的金剛經，可以看出連金剛經都逃避不了被竄改的命運

請各位不要小看古代中國宗教界對篡改經文的能力

絕對令你大開眼界

 

When your values are steered in the wrong direction, you can no longer see what the real pre-heaven Qi is

Because you have identified an image of post-heaven Qi as pre-heaven Qi

Such behavior will cause you to never have a real pre-heaven Qi in your life.

This is very scary misguided thinking

The Buddha said such misleading thoughts in the Diamond Sutra. You can see the Buddha's intentions from the direct translation of the Diamond Sutra from the Sanskrit version.

You can compare the Vajra Sutra in the Sanskrit version and the Chinese translation of Kumarajiva, you can see that even the Vajra Sutra cannot escape the fate of being tampered with

Please do not underestimate the ability of ancient Chinese religious circles to tamper with scriptures

Absolutely eye-opening

[Cobie]

15 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

 

That made me laugh. But to be fair to @awaken it’s very sensible imo to put people on the ignore list. I use it a lot myself.  There’s only so much time in my day and I don’t want to waste it on futile arguments. 
 

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by Cobie

[Wu Ming Jen]

The post heaven chi is illusion,  pollution and self created. The pre heaven chi is before body and eternal

Edited June 20, 2022 by Wu Ming Jen

[Cobie]

4 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

… pre heaven …

Doesn’t  先天 mean ‘innate’? Do you not believe in ‘innate’ 氣？

 

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by Cobie

[Wu Ming Jen]

1 minute ago, Cobie said:

I thought 先天 means ‘innate’. Do you not believe in ‘innate’ 氣？

 

 

Yes another word meaning the same thing it has never left or goes anywhere