Healing the wounded child within

[Bindi]

 

Thich Nhat Hanh on Healing the Child Within

BY THICH NHAT HANH| MAY 19, 2021

The cry we hear from deep in our hearts, says Thich Nhat Hanh, comes from the wounded child within. Healing this inner child’s pain is the key to transforming anger, sadness, and fear.

Photo by Hugues de Buyer-Mimeure.

In each of us, there is a young, suffering child. We have all had times of difficulty as children and many of us have experienced trauma. To protect and defend ourselves against future suffering, we often try to forget those painful times. Every time we’re in touch with the experience of suffering, we believe we can’t bear it, and we stuff our feelings and memories deep down in our unconscious mind. It may be that we haven’t dared to face this child for many decades.

But just because we may have ignored the child doesn’t mean she or he isn’t there. The wounded child is always there, trying to get our attention. The child says, “I’m here. I’m here. You can’t avoid me. You can’t run away from me.” We want to end our suffering by sending the child to a deep place inside, and staying as far away as possible. But running away doesn’t end our suffering; it only prolongs it.

The wounded child asks for care and love, but we do the opposite. We run away because we’re afraid of suffering. The block of pain and sorrow in us feels overwhelming. Even if we have time, we don’t come home to ourselves. We try to keep ourselves constantly entertained—watching television or movies, socializing, or using alcohol or drugs—because we don’t want to experience that suffering all over again.

The wounded child is there and we don’t even know she is there. The wounded child in us is a reality, but we can’t see her. That inability to see is a kind of ignorance. This child has been severely wounded. She or he really needs us to return. Instead we turn away.

When we become aware that we’ve forgotten the wounded child in ourselves, we feel great compassion for that child.

Ignorance is in each cell of our body and our consciousness. It’s like a drop of ink diffused in a glass of water. That ignorance stops us from seeing reality; it pushes us to do foolish things that make us suffer even more and wound again the already-wounded child in us.

The wounded child is also in each cell of our body. There is no cell of our body that does not have that wounded child in it. We don’t have to look far into the past for that child. We only have to look deeply and we can be in touch with him. The suffering of that wounded child is lying inside us right now in the present moment.

But just as the suffering is present in every cell of our body, so are the seeds of awakened understanding and happiness handed down to us from our ancestors. We just have to use them. We have a lamp inside us, the lamp of mindfulness, which we can light anytime. The oil of that lamp is our breathing, our steps, and our peaceful smile. We have to light up that lamp of mindfulness so the light will shine out and the darkness will dissipate and cease. Our practice is to light up the lamp.

When we become aware that we’ve forgotten the wounded child in ourselves, we feel great compassion for that child and we begin to generate the energy of mindfulness. The practices of mindful walking, mindful sitting, and mindful breathing are our foundation. With our mindful breath and mindful steps, we can produce the energy of mindfulness and return to the awakened wisdom lying in each cell of our body. That energy will embrace us and heal us, and will heal the wounded child in us.

Listening

When we speak of listening with compassion, we usually think of listening to someone else. But we must also listen to the wounded child inside us. Sometimes the wounded child in us needs all our attention. That little child might emerge from the depths of your consciousness and ask for your attention. If you are mindful, you will hear his or her voice calling for help. At that moment, instead of paying attention to whatever is in front of you, go back and tenderly embrace the wounded child. You can talk directly to the child with the language of love, saying, “In the past, I left you alone. I went away from you. Now, I am very sorry. I am going to embrace you.” You can say, “Darling, I am here for you. I will take good care of you. I know you suffer so much. I have been so busy. I have neglected you, and now I have learned a way to come back to you.” If necessary, you have to cry together with that child. Whenever you need to, you can sit and breathe with the child. “Breathing in, I go back to my wounded child; breathing out, I take good care of my wounded child.”

You have to talk to your child several times a day. Only then can healing take place. Embracing your child tenderly, you reassure him that you will never let him down again or leave him unattended. The little child has been left alone for so long. That is why you need to begin this practice right away. If you don’t do it now, when will you do it?

When you climb a beautiful mountain, invite your child within to climb with you.

If you know how to go back to her and listen carefully every day for five or ten minutes, healing will take place. When you climb a beautiful mountain, invite your child within to climb with you. When you contemplate the sunset, invite her to enjoy it with you. If you do that for a few weeks or a few months, the wounded child in you will experience healing.

With practice, we can see that our wounded child is not only us. Our wounded child may represent several generations. Our mother may have suffered throughout her life. Our father may have suffered. Perhaps our parents weren’t able to look after the wounded child in themselves. So when we’re embracing the wounded child in us, we’re embracing all the wounded children of our past generations. This practice is not a practice for ourselves alone, but for numberless generations of ancestors and descendants.

Our ancestors may not have known how to care for their wounded child within, so they transmitted their wounded child to us. Our practice is to end this cycle. If we can heal our wounded child, we will not only liberate ourselves, but we will also help liberate whoever has hurt or abused us. The abuser may also have been the victim of abuse. There are people who have practiced with their inner child for a long time who have had a lessening of their suffering and have experienced transformation. Their relationships with their family and friends have become much easier.

We suffer because we have not been touched by compassion and understanding. If we generate the energy of mindfulness, understanding, and compassion for our wounded child, we will suffer much less. When we generate mindfulness, compassion and understanding become possible, and we can allow people to love us. Before, we may have been suspicious of everything and everyone. Compassion helps us relate to others and restore communication. The people around us, our family and friends, may also have a severely wounded child inside. If we’ve managed to help ourselves, we can also help them. When we’ve healed ourselves, our relationships with others become much easier. There’s more peace and more love in us.

Go back and take care of yourself. Your body needs you, your feelings need you, your perceptions need you. The wounded child in you needs you. Your suffering needs you to acknowledge it. Go home and be there for all these things. Practice mindful walking and mindful breathing. Do everything in mindfulness so you can really be there, so you can love.

The Energy of Mindfulness

The energy of mindfulness is the salve that will recognize and heal the child within. But how do we cultivate this energy?

Buddhist psychology divides consciousness into two parts. One part is mind consciousness and the other is store consciousness. Mind consciousness is our active awareness. Western psychology calls it “the conscious mind.” To cultivate the energy of mindfulness, we try to engage our active awareness in all our activities and be truly present with whatever we are doing. We want to be mindful as we drink our tea or drive through the city. When we walk, we want to be aware that we are walking. When we breathe, we want to be aware that we are breathing.

Store consciousness, also called root consciousness, is the base of our consciousness. In Western psychology it’s called “the unconscious mind.” It’s where all our past experiences are stored. Store consciousness has the capacity to learn and to process information.

Often our mind is not there with our body. Sometimes we go through our daily activities without mind consciousness being involved at all. We can do many things by means of store consciousness alone, and mind consciousness can be thinking of a thousand other things. For example, when we drive our car through the city, mind consciousness may not be thinking about driving at all, but we can still reach our destination without getting lost or having an accident. That is store consciousness operating on its own.

Consciousness is like a house in which the basement is our store consciousness and the living room is our mind consciousness. Mental formations like anger, sorrow, or joy, rest in the store consciousness in the form of seeds (bija). We have a seed of anger, despair, discrimination, fear, a seed of mindfulness, compassion, a seed of understanding, and so on. Store consciousness is made of the totality of the seeds, and it is also the soil that preserves and maintains all the seeds. The seeds stay there until we hear, see, read, or think of something that touches a seed and makes us feel the anger, joy, or sorrow. This is a seed coming up and manifesting on the level of mind consciousness, in our living room. Now we no longer call it a seed, but a mental formation.

When someone touches the seed of anger by saying something or doing something that upsets us, that seed of anger will come up and manifest in mind consciousness as the mental formation (cittasamskara) of anger. The word “formation” is a Buddhist term for something that’s created by many conditions coming together. A marker pen is a formation; my hand, a flower, a table, a house, are all formations. A house is a physical formation. My hand is a physiological formation. My anger is a mental formation. In Buddhist psychology we speak about fifty-one varieties of seeds that can manifest as fifty-one mental formations. Anger is just one of them. In store consciousness, anger is called a seed. In mind consciousness, it’s called a mental formation.

Whenever a seed, say the seed of anger, comes up into our living room and manifests as a mental formation, the first thing we can do is to touch the seed of mindfulness and invite it to come up too. Now we have two mental formations in the living room. This is mindfulness of anger. Mindfulness is always mindfulness of something. When we breathe mindfully, that is mindfulness of breathing. When we walk mindfully, that is mindfulness of walking. When we eat mindfully, that’s mindfulness of eating. So in this case, mindfulness is mindfulness of anger. Mindfulness recognizes and embraces anger.

Our practice is based on the insight of nonduality—anger is not an enemy. Both mindfulness and anger are ourselves. Mindfulness is there not to suppress or fight against anger, but to recognize and take care of it—like a big brother helping a younger brother. So the energy of anger is recognized and embraced tenderly by the energy of mindfulness.

Every time we need the energy of mindfulness, we just touch that seed with our mindful breathing, mindful walking, smiling, and then we have the energy ready to do the work of recognizing, embracing, and later on looking deeply and transforming. Whatever we’re doing, whether it’s cooking, sweeping, washing, walking, being aware of our breathing, we can continue to generate the energy of mindfulness, and the seed of mindfulness in us will become strong. Within the seed of mindfulness is the seed of concentration. With these two energies, we can liberate ourselves from afflictions.

The Mind Needs Good Circulation

We know there are toxins in our body. If our blood doesn’t circulate well, these toxins accumulate. In order to remain healthy, our body works to expel the toxins. When the blood circulates well, the kidneys and the liver can do their job to dispel toxins. We can use massage to help the blood circulate better.

Our consciousness, too, may be in a state of bad circulation. We may have a block of suffering, pain, sorrow, or despair in us; it’s like a toxin in our consciousness. We call this an internal formation or internal knot. Embracing our pain and sorrow with the energy of mindfulness is the practice of massaging our consciousness. When the blood doesn’t circulate well, our organs can’t function properly, and we get sick. When our psyche doesn’t circulate well, our mind will become sick. Mindfulness stimulates and accelerates circulation throughout blocks of pain.

Occupying the Living Room

Our blocks of pain, sorrow, anger, and despair always want to come up into our mind consciousness, into our living room, because they’ve grown big and need our attention. They want to emerge, but we don’t want these uninvited guests to come up because they’re painful to look at. So we try to block their way. We want them to stay asleep down in the basement. We don’t want to face them, so our habit is to fill the living room with other guests. Whenever we have ten or fifteen minutes of free time, we do anything we can to keep our living room occupied. We call a friend. We pick up a book. We turn on the television. We go for a drive. We hope that if the living room is occupied, these unpleasant mental formations will not come up.

Just by holding this child gently, we are soothing our difficult emotions and we can begin to feel at ease.

But all mental formations need to circulate. If we don’t let them come up, it creates bad circulation in our psyche, and symptoms of mental illness and depression begin to manifest in our mind and body.

Sometimes when we have a headache, we take aspirin, but our headache doesn’t go away. Sometimes this kind of headache can be a symptom of mental illness. Perhaps we have allergies. We think it’s a physical problem, but allergies can also be a symptom of mental illness. We are advised by doctors to take drugs, but sometimes these will continue to suppress our internal formations, making our sickness worse.

Dismantling Barriers

If we can learn not to fear our knots of suffering, we slowly begin to let them circulate up into our living room. We begin to learn how to embrace them and transform them with the energy of mindfulness. When we dismantle the barrier between the basement and the living room, blocks of pain will come up and we will have to suffer a bit. Our inner child may have a lot of fear and anger stored up from being down in the basement for so long. There is no way to avoid it.

That is why the practice of mindfulness is so important. If mindfulness is not there, it is very unpleasant to have these seeds come up. But if we know how to generate the energy of mindfulness, it’s very healing to invite them up every day and embrace them. Mindfulness is a strong source of energy that can recognize, embrace, and take care of these negative energies. Perhaps these seeds don’t want to come up at first, perhaps there’s too much fear and distrust, so we may have to coax them a bit. After being embraced for some time, a strong emotion will return to the basement and become a seed again, weaker than before.

Every time you give your internal formations a bath of mindfulness, the blocks of pain in you become lighter. So give your anger, your despair, your fear, a bath of mindfulness every day. After several days or weeks of bringing them up daily and helping them go back down again, you create good circulation in your psyche.

The Function of Mindfulness

The first function of mindfulness is to recognize and not to fight. We can stop at any time and become aware of the child within us. When we recognize the wounded child for the first time, all we need to do is be aware of him or her and say hello. That’s all. Perhaps this child is sad. If we notice this we can just breathe in and say to ourselves, “Breathing in, I know that sorrow has manifested in me. Hello, my sorrow. Breathing out, I will take good care of you.”

Once we have recognized our inner child, the second function of mindfulness is to embrace him or her. This is a very pleasant practice. Instead of fighting our emotions, we are taking good care of ourselves. Mindfulness brings with her an ally—concentration. The first few minutes of recognizing and embracing our inner child with tenderness will bring some relief. The difficult emotions will still be there, but we won’t suffer as much anymore.

After recognizing and embracing our inner child, the third function of mindfulness is to soothe and relieve our difficult emotions. Just by holding this child gently, we are soothing our difficult emotions and we can begin to feel at ease. When we embrace our strong emotions with mindfulness and concentration, we’ll be able to see the roots of these mental formations. We’ll know where our suffering has come from. When we see the roots of things, our suffering will lessen. So mindfulness recognizes, embraces, and relieves.

The energy of mindfulness contains the energy of concentration as well as the energy of insight. Concentration helps us focus on just one thing. With concentration, the energy of looking becomes more powerful and insight is possible. Insight always has the power of liberating us. If mindfulness is there, and we know how to keep mindfulness alive, concentration will be there, too. And if we know how to keep concentration alive, insight will also come. The energy of mindfulness enables us to look deeply and gain the insight we need so that transformation is possible.

 

Adapted from Reconciliation: Healing The Inner Child (2010) by Thich Nhat Hanh, with permission from Parallax Press, Berkeley, California. www.parallax.org

 

ABOUT THICH NHAT HANH

Thich Nhat Hanh (1926-2022) was a renowned Zen teacher and poet, the founder of the Engaged Buddhist movement, and the founder of nine monastic communities, including Plum Village Monastery in France. He was also the author of At Home in the World, The Other Shore, and more than a hundred other books that have sold millions of copies worldwide.

 

[Lairg]

In my observation, the trauma of the child may be physical, emotional and mental, often carried over from past lives

 

I recall my younger son.  His mother was absolutely determined to have him go to baby swimming lessons.  I had to take him as he was too distressed in the water for her to cope.

 

He never did well at the swimming lessons, but when he was about 3 years old, his elder brother taught him to put his head underwater in the bath.  After that he was ok.

 

I had to put in a backyard swimming pool before his mother was satisfied that he would not drown

 

The problem was that he was forcibly drowned in a past life and his physical body remembered.  See the Theosophical concept of "permanent atom"

 

https://www.lucistrust.org/online_books/a_treatise_on_cosmic_fire_obooks/section_two_the_fire_mind_solar_fire/division_the_egoic_ray_and_solar_fire/ii_the_nature_the_permanent_atoms_part1

 

 

After a couple of years the pool went unused.  Even with salt water, I think the chlorine was too toxic for them

Edited July 19, 2022 by Lairg

[Kojiro]

this is very interesting, thanks for sharing. It means to me that mindfulness is the key to understand and heal ourselves from our traumas. Awareness of the bad feelings that we have, and not rejection of them, as a way to appease them, or at least as a first step towards inner peace.

 

The problem with many people is that they try to pretend these bad feelings in themselves or in others do not exist. I guess it is easier for many to deceive themselves and hide from the ugly truths. This is the opposite of what should be done.

Edited July 19, 2022 by Kojiro

[Bindi]

“Your inner child and you aren’t exactly two, but you aren’t exactly one, either. You influence each other.” 
 

The commentators quote from Thich Nhat Than at 9.00 minutes in the video below. 
 

The inner child as ‘sub-personality’, a more personalised entity than the ‘subconscious’. Many must question if this notion of a discrete sub-personality is necessary, but having sought my inner child for decades, without realising fully that this was what I was doing, I concur with Thich Nhat Than  that:

 

“It’s our life’s work to stop, notice, and listen to this child. We cannot reach our destiny without healing the inner child’s pain and transforming their sadness, fear or anger. 

https://insighttimer.com/blog/inner-child-meaning-noticing-healing-freeing/

 

It’s a fundamental requirement, and I’d say it’s even more fundamental than Thich Nhat Than is expressing. To my mind, re-establishing the inner child in its rightful place in our subtle body system is in fact the culmination of inner alchemy, and the only possible authentic resolution to the dilemma each human finds within themselves. 

 

 

[Bindi]

Quote

“… The inner child is real. Not literally. Nor physically. But figuratively, metaphorically real. It is--like complexes in general--a psychological or phenomenological reality, and an extraordinarily powerful one at that.”

 

- Stephen Diamond, Ph.D., clinical and forensic psychologist.

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/evil-deeds/200806/essential-secrets-psychotherapy-the-inner-child

Diamond also claims “We were all once children, and still have that child dwelling within us. But most adults are quite unaware of this.”

 

Why and how would people go about engaging with this inner child that they’re not even aware of, but which nonetheless dictates their behaviour? 

 

 

[doc benway]

On 8/9/2022 at 9:38 PM, Bindi said:

Diamond also claims “We were all once children, and still have that child dwelling within us. But most adults are quite unaware of this.”

 

Why and how would people go about engaging with this inner child that they’re not even aware of, but which nonetheless dictates their behaviour? 

 

 

 

Even if we're not aware of the inner child, we can still see her effects in our actions, patterns, feelings, and so forth. 

Why would people engage? Perhaps to feel better, to adjust better, to know themselves better, to heal old trauma.

How? Lots of ways. In my approach mainly through being open and quiet. When he is ready, he shows up and I sit next to him in openness, clarity, and warmth. 

[Cobie]

 

 

5 hours ago, Bindi said:

Why …. would people go about engaging with this inner child …

It’s part of me.

 

5 hours ago, Bindi said:

…. how would people go about engaging with this inner child …

 

I asked her nicely.  
 

 

 

 

Edited August 10, 2022 by Cobie

[Bindi]

In the early third century text Laozi zhongjing 老子中經 (Central Scripture of Laozi), an early iteration of neidan, there was the red child - I can’t help but see this as an early Chinese recognition of the same inner child that Thich Nhat Hanh refers to, but with more subtle body information. In later texts the child is a synonym for the elixir, here the child ingests an elixir, and being nourished by it obtains immortality. 

 

The Red Child (Chizi 赤子)

The self is the son of the Dao; this is what he is. Human beings also have him, not only me.⁽¹⁾ He resides precisely in the ducts of the stomach, the Great Granary. He sits facing due south on a couch of jade and pearls, and a flowery canopy of yellow clouds covers him. He wears clothes with pearls of five hues. His mother resides above on his right, embracing and nourishing him; his father resides above on his left, instructing and defending him.

 

Therefore constantly think of the True Man Child-Cinnabar residing in the Palace of the stomach, the Great Granary. He sits facing due south, feeding on yellow essence and red pneuma, drinking and ingesting the Fount of Nectar.⁽²⁾

 

Child-Cinnabar, Original Yang, is nine tenths of an inch tall, but think of him as equal to your body. When his father and mother nourish him, you obtain divine immortality.

 

(1) The initial part of this passage defies a proper translation, for Laozi (the speaker of the Central Scripture) refers to himself in both the first and the third person. He introduces himself as "I" (wu) and says that he resides in every human being ("human beings also have me," i.e., "him"); he is, therefore, one's own "self" (wu) represented by the Red Child.

(2) Fount of Nectar is a name of saliva.

 Laozi zhongjing (Central Scripture of Laozi), sec. 12. Translation published in Fabrizio Pregadio, "Early Daoist Meditation and the Origins of Inner Alchemy," in Benjamin Penny, ed., Daoism in History: Essays in Honour of Liu Ts'un-yan, 138 (London: Routledge, 2006). This quotation is expanded.

 

The Lower Cinnabar Field (Dantian 丹田)

The ☞ Cinnabar Field is the root of the human being. It is the place where essence and spirit are stored, the origin of the five breaths (wuqi), and the Storehouse of the Red Child (chizi zhi fu)… It rules on generating children and is the gate of the joining of Yin and Yang. It is three inches below the navel, attached to the Caudal Funnel (weilü),⁽¹⁾ and is the root of the two kidneys. 
 

(1) The Caudal Funnel is a point at the level of the coccyx.

 

 

[old3bob]

 

[Bindi]

Further thoughts on the child… It appears to me that ‘the child’ is equivalent to the ‘spirit’ of the central channel, and is the product of the left and right male/female channels. Bringing this child in the central channel to the place where it can be nourished becomes the priority. 
 

 

[Cobie]

 

3 hours ago, Bindi said:

… Bringing this child in the central channel to the place where it can be nourished becomes the priority. 

She can be “nourished” anywhere, there is no need to move her. She will move when ready. I found her as a feeling inside myself and started looking after her.
 

 

Edited September 26, 2022 by Cobie

[blue eyed snake]

7 hours ago, Bindi said:

Further thoughts on the child… It appears to me that ‘the child’ is equivalent to the ‘spirit’ of the central channel, and is the product of the left and right male/female channels. Bringing this child in the central channel to the place where it can be nourished becomes the priority. 

 

Thanks for that vid of Thich Nath Hanh

 

I've started taking care of the little one long before energy work started, she just made herself known I think.

Touch me, heal me said her small voice. 't was a deep and healing experience

 

Reading your post makes me think of what my teacher once told me. In my own words as I understood it:

when a child is born the central channel/ great thoroughfare is open. Growing up that channel slowly closes due to the  pains of hurt and misunderstanding kids encounter. In general when kids are about 9 or 10 years old it closes. By doing practice (hereby he meant the chigung as he taught it) that channel will open and you will find the accumulated 'mud' from your childhood ( and everything that layered on top of that)

 

she's just the kid version of me, at the stage during which the ego formed. 

[Bindi]

5 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

She can be “nourished” anywhere, there is no need to move her. She will move when ready. I found her as a feeling inside myself and started looking after her.
 

 

Looking after her is not equivalent to nourishing her in the sense that I am using the word. By nourishing I mean bringing the child to where s/he can ingest an elixir that is constantly being produced but going to waste as it enters the stomach. As I understand it this elixir is the same one that yogi’s access using kechari mudra, nourishing the child with it instead of ones tongue must allow the child to develop. 

Edited September 26, 2022 by Bindi

[Bindi]

1 hour ago, blue eyed snake said:

 

Thanks for that vid of Thich Nath Hanh

 

I've started taking care of the little one long before energy work started, she just made herself known I think.

Touch me, heal me said her small voice. 't was a deep and healing experience

 

Reading your post makes me think of what my teacher once told me. In my own words as I understood it:

when a child is born the central channel/ great thoroughfare is open. Growing up that channel slowly closes due to the  pains of hurt and misunderstanding kids encounter. In general when kids are about 9 or 10 years old it closes. By doing practice (hereby he meant the chigung as he taught it) that channel will open and you will find the accumulated 'mud' from your childhood ( and everything that layered on top of that)

 

she's just the kid version of me, at the stage during which the ego formed. 

I agree with everything your teacher said except that this is happening in the central channel, I found the mud etc to be in one of the side channels, Ida Nadi to be specific. I believe clearing Ida Nadi is still just as important as he is suggesting though. 

[Cobie]

On 26/09/2022 at 11:00 PM, Bindi said:

Looking after her is not equivalent to nourishing her in the sense that I am using the word. …

OK

 

 

Edited September 27, 2022 by Cobie

[blue eyed snake]

On 26-9-2022 at 11:27 PM, Bindi said:

I agree with everything your teacher said except that this is happening in the central channel, I found the mud etc to be in one of the side channels, Ida Nadi to be specific. I believe clearing Ida Nadi is still just as important as he is suggesting though. 

 

Mud's everywhere,

but it's an interesting association between the child within and The Red Child (Chizi 赤子)

thanks for that

[Lairg]

Arguably the various inner children are the intelligences - that when unhappy do not do well.  Being accident-prone is an example.

 

The relevant intelligences are those that manage the sacral chakra, solar plexus chakra and the lower mental chakra.

 

These intelligences respond quickly to love - but our society rarely teaches how to love oneself

 

 

Edited October 3, 2022 by Lairg

[Bindi]

1 hour ago, blue eyed snake said:

 

Mud's everywhere,

but it's an interesting association between the child within and The Red Child (Chizi 赤子)

thanks for that

I would agree that ‘rubbish’ is everywhere, but mud specifically I only found in the Ida Nadi where water should ideally flow freely. In its opposite, pingala, I haven’t found water flows there (so no mud), there are other elements there, I believe air, though as I understand it most believe fire. Water as yin paired with fire as yang. I think fire can pass through air, I just don’t think there’s permanent fire there. 
 

I made it into the central channel at the beginning of this year and there is, unbelievably, more rubbish here. More work. I believe it’s karmic work, but it’s not mud, and misses the element of water. 

[Lairg]

7 minutes ago, Bindi said:

I believe it’s karmic work,

 

It looks primarily to be group karma

[Bindi]

1 hour ago, Lairg said:

Arguably the various inner children are the intelligences - that when unhappy do not do well.  Being accident-prone is an example.

 

The relevant intelligences are those that manage the sacral chakra, solar plexus chakra and the lower mental chakra.

 

These intelligences respond quickly to love - but our society rarely teaches how to love oneself

 

 

I agree there are ‘intelligences’ or ‘the spirit of …’ that epitomise the chakras and the channels. I don’t think there are multiple children though, just the one that exists as the intelligence or spirit of the central channel. What this child is, and where it comes from is open to discussion though. 

[Lairg]

28 minutes ago, Bindi said:

What this child is, and where it comes from is open to discussion though. 

 

Observation is useful

[Bindi]

There is the wounded child, and this wounded child needs to be healed, but even if the wounded child within is healed this is not the end IMO. 
 

I think the wounded child is the place to start, but I don’t believe it’s the end. I believe the neidan child is the product of the emotionally and mentally healed wounded ‘dual’ child ie. the emotional and mental inner child. 
 

To me the best description of the neidan child is as the child of ‘true yin’ and ‘true yang’, they are the mother and father of it, who care for it and educate it. Birthing and then [true yin and true yang] educating this child seems to me to be the point of our current existence. 

[old3bob]

some clips from chapter 25 of the TTC. to ponder if one so chooses....

 

"...to go on is to be far

to be far is to return..." 

 

mankind can not really say Why 

 

(the Great) "Standing alone without change" thus there is really nothing gained and nothing lost,  

per all of our striving

 

not exactly on topic but one could ask does the "child" go far and return but ultimately gains or loses nothing?

Edited July 9 by old3bob

[Bindi]

6 hours ago, old3bob said:

some clips from chapter 25 of the TTC. to ponder if one so chooses....

 

"...to go on is to be far

to be far is to return..." 

 

mankind can not really say Why 

 

(the Great) "Standing alone without change" thus there is really nothing gained and nothing lost,  

per all of our striving

 

Yes this is one view, likely the most dominant view here, but one I completely disagree with. Sorting out emotional and mental ‘knots’, which has to be strived for most strenuously, allows new forces to come into play beyond the emotional and mental levels, and these are the forces that produce the child that wasn’t there before, and couldn’t be there without emotional and mental clarity. Once the child exists, I can’t do anything towards it’s teaching and development, I can’t make any difference no matter what I do or don’t do, and at that point only can I agree to any extent with what you have bolded above. 
 

To declare there is nothing gained before this child is produced is to declare oneself a winner before the race has begun. 

 

6 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

not exactly on topic but one could ask does the "child" go far and return but ultimately gains or loses nothing?

 

[old3bob]

its a tough one like trying to think of evolution to the non-evolutionary  (aka The Great Tao)  Anyway I do not dismiss the process of evolution as some schools apparently do nor the non-evolutionary.  Btw, an implication to me is that the "child" can not gain or lose the non-evolutionary that is more or less hidden within its core, "standing..." uncreated and unchanging for if it could be created or changed then it could also be destroyed,  so then we can come back to question of does the child have to exist for the uncreated and unchanging to exist?  I'd say No,  yet to manifest as much as possible through all realms, Yes .  (for me pointed to with, "to be far")

Btw there is the saying in chapter 43 of: "Only Nothing can enter no-space" indicating to me an evolution to non-evolutionary (wherein nothing is gained or lost)....along with being a saying that mind can not really wrap its head around. 

 

(a partial analogy: In electricity a small generator must first be properly synchronized with what is sometimes called an infinite electrical buss before they can be joined together.  (as an entire system,  if not something must give way and it won't be the infinite buss))  

Edited July 10 by old3bob