The wonders of Indian civilization

[Nungali]

I'll give it a try .....

 

 

 

 

 .... and try and push the 'target human '    right off  ....

 

 

this forum .

[Ajay0]

On 8/7/2022 at 3:41 PM, Lairg said:

Hindu scriptures have detailed accounts of wars and weapons.  Would a civilisation with wonders keep good records of them?

 

 

 There are references to super-weapons in the Ramayana and Mahabharatha,  with corresponding mantras . They were called astras, and they were mainly used by highly proficient warriors.

 

https://www.gaia.com/article/evidence-nuclear-war-ancient-times

 

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Among the most destructive of the astra was the “brahmastra,” created by the god Brahma, a “single projectile charged with all the power in the universe. It was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race. There was neither a counter attack nor a defense that could stop it.”

 

The weapon produced “an incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns that rose in all its splendor. After, corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out; pottery broke without any apparent cause, and the birds turned white… After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected.

 

“Any target hit by the brahmastra would be utterly destroyed; land would become barren and lifeless, rainfall would cease, and infertility in humans and animals would follow for aeons of time.”

 

 

 

 

The Brahmastra is mentioned in both the Ramayana and Mahabharatha.

 

The destructive effects of this weapon is similar to that recorded by the use of nuclear weapons.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmastra

 

An interesting fact recorded is that self-mastery and a good character was necessary in the proper use of these weapons.

 

In the Mahabharatha, there is a confrontation between Arjuna and Ashwatthama , who were both the favorite disciple and son respectively of the martial arts teacher Drona . Ashwatthama used the Brahmastra offensively ignoring the regulations in its usage, while Arjuna used the same weapon to counter the widespread destruction and contain it.

 

The sages Narada and Vyasa stopped the battle considering its dangerous repercussions and asked both warriors to withdraw the weapon.

Arjuna , due to his self-mastery and virtuous behavior, was able to withdraw the weapon safely, while the character flawed Ashwatthama was not able to do so.

 

Arjuna was praised by the sages for his self-restraint and prudence while Ashwatthama was criticised and rebuked for lack of the same.  Ashwatthama was cursed by Krishna for breaching rules of proper conduct and morality in this regard by using such powerful weapons without self-regulation.

 

Shivabalayogi, an enlightened sage of modern times had also cited this battle to show that such super-weapons were present in earlier times,  and the dangers associated with their usage.

 

https://www.shiva.org/SHIVABALAYOGI-HisWords_World_Conditions.htm

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Why is it so important for us to raise our consciousness in this period of time?

 

Shivabalayogi : “In the history of life these situations keep happening from time to time. This is not the first time people have made atomic bombs. This happened many thousands of years ago and many millions of years ago. If you study history you will come to understand. If you read the Yoga Vasishta you will come to know about that.”

“The atomic bomb is not new to the world. It is actually very old. The same types of bombs were utilized in the time of the Mahabharata. The weapon [astra] called Pashupathasthra of Arjuna was similar to the atom bomb. At that time the power of the mantra used to do the work. Now it is the power of the machine [yantra] that is doing it. In the past those people who could bring the weapon into action also knew how to dissolve its effect, but you do not know how to take back and nullify its effect. That is the difference between them and you. You can explode the bomb but you do not know how to take back its effects.”

 

It is said that there were other similar warfare techniques and technologies that were deliberately wiped out by martial arts teachers with the onset of the present Kali Yuga or Dark Ages, as they were probably apprehensive that such techniques and weapons might fall to the wrong hands creating peril for the whole world.

 

The present Kali Yuga is the time when the guna of tamas will be at its peak, leading to lower states of consciousness and loss of values due to philosophies adhering to hedonism, materialism, atheism and nihilism. This had been prophesized in the past and consequently much of such destructive weapons had been deliberately lost with time.

 

I would say that all this showcases the fact that destructive weapons the world has at present should be destroyed by the UN or there should be a hard body of regulations governing their usage as they are capable of wiping out entire countries and continents.

Edited August 13, 2022 by Ajay0

[Lairg]

On 8/11/2022 at 12:43 PM, Lairg said:

 

Here is a simple test, used by some people I know:

 

Put your attention to the lightbody of the target human.  Try to push that lightbody outside the atmosphere of this planet.

 

If that works try to push it outside the solar system.  If so, then outside the galaxy.  If not the galaxy, try pushing the lightbody into some well known stars

 

It is hard to push a lightbody where it does not belong.

 

 

 

 

 

A friend just tried this and did not get outside the galaxy so tried for a star and he said that immediately the name of a star sounded in his head before he had done any testing.

 

It is good to know where is home

 

 

[Nungali]

16 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

 

 There are references to super-weapons in the Ramayana and Mahabharatha,  with corresponding mantras . They were called astras, and they were mainly used by highly proficient warriors.

 

https://www.gaia.com/article/evidence-nuclear-war-ancient-times

 

 

The Brahmastra is mentioned in both the Ramayana and Mahabharatha.

 

The destructive effects of this weapon is similar to that recorded by the use of nuclear weapons.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmastra

 

An interesting fact recorded is that self-mastery and a good character was necessary in the proper use of these weapons.

 

In the Mahabharatha, there is a confrontation between Arjuna and Ashwatthama , who were both the favorite disciple and son respectively of the martial arts teacher Drona . Ashwatthama used the Brahmastra offensively ignoring the regulations in its usage, while Arjuna used the same weapon to counter the widespread destruction and contain it.

 

The sages Narada and Vyasa stopped the battle considering its dangerous repercussions and asked both warriors to withdraw the weapon.

Arjuna , due to his self-mastery and virtuous behavior, was able to withdraw the weapon safely, while the character flawed Ashwatthama was not able to do so.

 

Arjuna was praised by the sages for his self-restraint and prudence while Ashwatthama was criticised and rebuked for lack of the same.  Ashwatthama was cursed by Krishna for breaching rules of proper conduct and morality in this regard by using such powerful weapons without self-regulation.

 

Shivabalayogi, an enlightened sage of modern times had also cited this battle to show that such super-weapons were present in earlier times,  and the dangers associated with their usage.

 

https://www.shiva.org/SHIVABALAYOGI-HisWords_World_Conditions.htm

It is said that there were other similar warfare techniques and technologies that were deliberately wiped out by martial arts teachers with the onset of the present Kali Yuga or Dark Ages, as they were probably apprehensive that such techniques and weapons might fall to the wrong hands creating peril for the whole world.

 

The present Kali Yuga is the time when the guna of tamas will be at its peak, leading to lower states of consciousness and loss of values due to philosophies adhering to hedonism, materialism, atheism and nihilism. This had been prophesized in the past and consequently much of such destructive weapons had been deliberately lost with time.

 

I would say that all this showcases the fact that destructive weapons the world has at present should be destroyed by the UN or there should be a hard body of regulations governing their usage as they are capable of wiping out entire countries and continents.

 

You left out some details about their super weapon .   Unlike a nuclear explosion , they can 'destroy the whole Universe  !  .... Gosh !   Also  they will stop the rain for 37.34 billion years .

 

As the link to the wiki article shows , it is a tripartite  weapon ( like Brahma is  three fold ), I like the weapon that ; "The astra of Brahma is the Brahmastra, which has the power to eliminate the existence of anything from the past, present and future " - just as well they didnt use that .... or we would know nothing about that war ... or we would not exist to know nothing about it    .

 

'cept they did use the weapon ... 2 of them against each other   ... they must have hit head on and neutralised each other      - thank goodness for that ! 

 

Good story .... nearly as good as the one where that guy got an elephant's head  .

[Nungali]

14 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

A friend just tried this and did not get outside the galaxy so tried for a star and he said that immediately the name of a star sounded in his head before he had done any testing.

 

It is good to know where is home

 

 

 

 

Some people get an elephant's head , other people get  ........   some other type of head .

[Ajay0]

On 8/14/2022 at 3:26 AM, Nungali said:

You left out some details about their super weapon .   Unlike a nuclear explosion , they can 'destroy the whole Universe  !  .... Gosh !   Also  they will stop the rain for 37.34 billion years .

 

 There maybe some exagerations  and mistranslations due to lack of proper knowledge of english. But you can still see that these weapons have similar effects to that of modern nuclear weapons.

 

Infected foodstuffs, pottery breaking without any cause, hair and nails falling out, infertility in humans and animals are some of the similarities I am talking about.

 

 

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As the link to the wiki article shows , it is a tripartite  weapon ( like Brahma is  three fold ), I like the weapon that ; "The astra of Brahma is the Brahmastra, which has the power to eliminate the existence of anything from the past, present and future " - just as well they didnt use that .... or we would know nothing about that war ... or we would not exist to know nothing about it    .

 

 It is just some exaggerated stuff. In Buddhism as well you can see some exaggerations while praising the person of the Buddha or Bodhisattvas for creating impact.  People record their activities and add their own statements to increase the impact.

 

In the Ramayana, Indrajit is said to have wiped out millions of vanara soldiers with the Brahmastra in a single day. However , the story of Ramayana is known even now.
 

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'cept they did use the weapon ... 2 of them against each other   ... they must have hit head on and neutralised each other      - thank goodness for that ! 

 

 

Arjuna contained the weapon's destructive effects, but Ashwatthama directed the energy malevolently to an another target which was in turn contained by Krishna.

 

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Good story .... nearly as good as the one where that guy got an elephant's head  .

 

The story of Ganesha getting an elephant head is part of the puranas which is mainly of metaphors . Wisdom is supposed to be distilled from them by properly interpreting them.

 

The weapons of the Brahmastra is mentioned in both epics Ramayana and Mahabharatha, which have a logical narrative to a large extent. Battle formations and tactics and their corresponding counter-tactics are described in detail.

 

 Even now, chanting of mantras are considered to be important in increasing the efficacy of medicines prepared in Ayurveda and indigenous medical systems of India. And I have personally seen and read of people who have exhausted all that allopathy had to offer but found their cure and healing in Ayurveda.

 

So it is possible such weapons based on mantras were there in the past, and knowledge of them deliberately wiped out due to the present age of Kali Yuga which is considered inauspicious due to the dominance of the guna of tamas.

 

Even if these weapons and the epics are just tales of fiction as Atlantis is supposed to be, there still remains wisdom to be distilled from them to guide our turbulent present.

Edited August 17, 2022 by Ajay0

[Straybird]

In my view ancient people were more advanced and civilized than us. Ancients from most of the countries have some amazing inventions and when we talk about Indian i have read that Indus Valley Civilization has shown the proofs of dentistry being practiced far back in 7000 BC. One dig site in Mehrgarh even showed the evidences of healers curing tooth disorders with bow drills.

there are also many other things that ancient Indians can do.

[Ethan singh]

There are a few amazing herbal medicines that exist that are on par with modern medication such as the Chinese Yunnan white drug which can stop severe bleeding or the Chinese cannabis boiling powder which can be used as anesthesia for surgery so do you guys know about any Indian herbal medicines that are just as effective as the examples mentioned above 

Edited August 19, 2022 by Ethan singh

[Nungali]

On 18/08/2022 at 2:43 PM, Straybird said:

In my view ancient people were more advanced and civilized than us. Ancients from most of the countries have some amazing inventions and when we talk about Indian i have read that Indus Valley Civilization has shown the proofs of dentistry being practiced far back in 7000 BC. One dig site in Mehrgarh even showed the evidences of healers curing tooth disorders with bow drills.

there are also many other things that ancient Indians can do.

 

Finally, some sensible Indian accomplishments . Yes, IVC was very advanced , they had a developed water , drainage and sewage system as well as other stuff , very advanced for the time  (although BMAC , over the Kush to the north had similar ) .... anyway, its on par with the supposed other  'first '   five civilisations  , in China, Egypt  and Mesopotamia .  but that is ignoring the massive ones in eastern Europe at the time .)

 

Hmmm .... is  Indus Valley Civilisation  'India'  ? 

 

It's in Pakistan isnt it  ?      

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, Ethan singh said:

There are a few amazing herbal medicines that exist that are on par with modern medication such as the Chinese Yunnan white drug which can stop severe bleeding or the Chinese cannabis boiling powder which can be used as anesthesia for surgery so do you guys know about any Indian herbal medicines that are just as effective as the examples mentioned above 

 

I think their where  advanced in medicine, generally .  And in astronomy, as well .

[Ethan singh]

Does anybody know of any Indian medicine on par with modern medication 

I know of a few Chinese examples of this but not any Indian examples so if you do know about it please tell me