The Grades of Initiation

[helpfuldemon]

To love is to consume, for it comes from the bowels and the heart, and it devours what we desire.

[helpfuldemon]

I feel betrayed.  Before i began my journey to study the Occult and pursue God, I was a loving person that had been a bit lawless in life, but had come around.  My encounter with the God and my initiation led me to examine philosophy (by choice, not per instruction) and eventually, my own life.  I endured many hardships in this, being tortured by voices and invaded by wires in my body.  As I have come out the other side, I am still left with questions of why, what and who.  I am no closer to understanding God than I was before, I have studied mystical truth and believe it to be false.  I have travelled through philosophy and find little use for much of it.  I endured two decades of suffering just to be ignorant again.  

[helpfuldemon]

I think human beings are left to their own devices.  I don't think God does much for us, other than provide us with the impetus of discovering an ideal.  I think our environment is a hardship we endure, and I think that human beings are naturally blank and are formed by nurture.  

[Lairg]

14 minutes ago, helpfuldemon said:

I think human beings are left to their own devices.  I don't think God does much for us, other than provide us with the impetus of discovering an ideal.

 

I am not sure that is true - depending upon what you mean by "God"

 

Many years ago I lived in a spiritual community.  I paid to live and work there.  At one time I started to get a little concerned about how much money I had left - but I was told in meditation:  The amount of money you have is more precise than you can know.

 

Some years later I left the community and after some months found a job.   I then bought a used car - with various synchronicities indicating that it was the right car.  At that time I had $10 to my name until the next pay day - and I remembered what I had been told

 

 

 

 

[helpfuldemon]

God is All that Is.  God is Chaos and Order, God is Love and Hate.  God is Law, and Lawless.  God is Freedom.

[Lairg]

9 hours ago, helpfuldemon said:

God is All that Is.  God is Chaos and Order, God is Love and Hate.  God is Law, and Lawless.  God is Freedom.

 

What might be the top-down view?

 

 

 

 

[helpfuldemon]

Even though I believe I ascended the degrees, I wonder why a God would put this on someone?  It seems like such a waste of power to do it to me when there are plenty of Evil people in the world.

[Lairg]

4 hours ago, helpfuldemon said:

I wonder why a God would put this on someone?

 

So what is the top-down view?

 

 

[helpfuldemon]

It's a curse.  Certain factors need to be involved to be cursed, however.  One must be completely determined to reach the ears of the Gods.  One must be convinced of their own righteousness.  One must declare their Will to the Universe.  You could also ask to be cursed, as I did.  My friend was being cursed and to save him, I demanded that I take his place.  I thought I was strong enough to handle it.  I would never have done these things had the spirit of a God not entered my body and used my hand to draw out a symbol, making me aware of its presence.  Top-down, its a curse.  One goes on a quest for truth and is tortured for it.  The only escape it to be satisfied with what you believe and stop thinking.

[Lairg]

 

 

20 minutes ago, helpfuldemon said:

One goes on a quest for truth and is tortured for it.

 

That is not my experience - but there are non-physical entities that object to humans gaining their true powers.  They operate an oppression system that is hard to escape

 

 

[helpfuldemon]

There be demons.

[Lairg]

15 minutes ago, helpfuldemon said:

There be demons.

 

Having a single category may limit analysis of particular oppressions

 

 

[Nungali]

Ohhhhhh   .... there are all sorts of categories  of demons  . . . they often 'specialise' in a specific area .

 

Think of a particular oppression ... there will be demon for it .

 

The kappa are known to favor cucumbers and love to engage in sumo wrestling. They are often accused of assaulting humans in water and removing a mythical organ called the shirikodama from their victim's anus.

 

 

Also know as the farting turtle demon  - very stinky .

 

Here is a fisherman ' getting his own back '  on  some  ;

 

 

[Cobie]

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Edited June 29, 2023 by Cobie

[helpfuldemon]

Some literature says that opposition makes you stronger, and I suppose that Choronzon is seen in this light, but for me it has made me weaker, though I now feel established in my understanding.  Being tortured by a demon has taught me to love less, and not believe in the protection of loving intention.  I'm more fearful now, and far less bold and confident.  Truly, at any time i could collapse.  I'm more aware of my crimes than I was when I just walked away from them, for I believe this to be a sort of justice against them.  No, I don't feel like opposition made me stronger, it just depleted my fortitude and left me wondering why.

[helpfuldemon]

God is Chaos, and God is Infinite.  All the rest is trying to bring Order to a Lawless species.

[helpfuldemon]

God is surrounded by questions, but God will not be named. One can either question God endlessly or find peace in knowing a portion of Gods essence, and sit in Gods presence in contentment.

[helpfuldemon]

The Gods gave me Aiwass and the Law of Liberty, then took away my Will and ability to do anything.  They set me up to desire, then took away my want to desire.  It's a cruel world.

[helpfuldemon]

One of the many changes that have taken place in me is that I no longer feel moved by lust.  I no longer feel moved by physical beauty.  I do not feel sexual at all, and masturbate once every few months just to clean the pipes, and it is difficult to do that.  I also do not have tangible thoughts, though I do think, it is quietly and ethereal.  

[helpfuldemon]

When the 7-4 is initiated, their consciousness is elevated- they are high in the Heavens.  Then their entire world is changed as the demon serpent invades his spirit.  The serpent raises the adepts' spirit then devours it and lowers the spirit to nothingness.  This is a continuous process until the adept submits their Will and sits silently.

[Lairg]

54 minutes ago, helpfuldemon said:

until the adept submits their Will and sits silently.

 

Being a son of God I expect to inherit part of the family business.  I am required to develop Will

 

 

[Nungali]

?  I   thought I had  already inherited  my 'birth rite'  .... that's why I am here and got all this .

 

You mean there is  even more   to come ? ! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[helpfuldemon]

This is the purification of the Adept.  They pour all their blood into the Cup of Babylon.

[helpfuldemon]

I was cursed.  I set out to educate myself so that I could bring love to the world, and I got afflicted with demons.

[Lairg]

11 minutes ago, helpfuldemon said:

I was cursed.  I set out to educate myself so that I could bring love to the world, and I got afflicted with demons.

 

Have you tested whether you are "cursed" or are a target of the oppression system used to disable entities that would assist the unfoldment of the planet?

 

In my observation being cursed is personal - but being oppressed is not.