Purifying the subconcious to avoid loosing jing

[provs]

I'll get right to the point here. If your sub-concious isn't "purified" or "reprogrammed" in a way

to where your still having sexual dreams at night. Is it even possible to preserve your essence?

 

Has anybody found any links between avoiding certain physical actions and reducing the sexual

dream content besides the obvious (watching pornography, continuing sexual engagement, or daydreaming/talking about sex)

 

A natural level of lucidity seems to be developing in my dreams when the time comes and I find my dream self attempting to use physical means to stop this but it just spills anyways.

 

Another observation I've made is that the more I practice the less time there is between my nocturnal emissions.

 

 

Thanks for your posts,

[dao zhen]

[exorcist_1699]

"I think for serious students, this is a big hurdle to overcome."

 

Absolutely correct; in fact, unable to cross this hurdle, all our effort will, in the end, become futile .The taoist saying is that : capable of stopping the process and reversing it means delaying the process of aging.....

 

Considering a 58 years old man marries to a 45 years old ,healthy woman, their baby will still be as young as others....

 

 

Sexual dreams is nothing horrible if most of your jing has become qi; in that case even having sexual dream does not lead to release of it . A "goalkeeper" is there....

 

Of course, people may then think of the possibility of losing male reproductive ability; it seems not , the process is reversible...

 

The same hurdle exists in female situation, unable to "slash the red dragon" , then any of her effort will finally become fruitless.

 

Of course, all points above are only meaningful for very determined people.

Edited May 5, 2008 by exorcist_1699

[Fire Dragon]

[exorcist_1699]

Simply speaking, purifying our mind,even deep to the sub-conscious level , is unsafe. Only after having all our essence (Jing) changed to qi , can we say the death/life issue guaranteed . Of course,here , we are only talking about aging, there are many other factors that can give rise to death ...

[Procurator]

 

 

Another observation I've made is that the more I practice the less time there is between my nocturnal emissions.

Thanks for your posts,

the conclusion should be obvious - your practice is wrong.

[provs]

Thank you Dao Zhen,

 

I found what you wrote to be very insightful and in alignment with some thoughts that I've had about

making improvements in my practice but have yet made the effort to put them fully into effect mostly

out of laziness, being unclear about where my motives lie , and a lack of discipline around food.

 

I will take what you wrote and put it into practice and check it against my results.

 

 

"With time, all will become secure quite naturally". - I believe this to be true.

[voidisyinyang]

Here's what I do -- burn off my sexual energy as "O at Ds" during the day. In other words transform the lower emotion energy into light -- shoot it out of the pineal gland -- into REAL females -- giving them feelings of bliss and love. This in turn creates an internal climax for you, the male and also transduces your lower emotions into love.

 

This is best done while in full-lotus but can also be done through reverse-breathing and "flexing" the pineal gland.

 

If at night I feel really randy and think I will lose a load since I'm too tired and I have not converted my jing into chi -- then I may use physical stimulation while in full-lotus, making sure to retain as much as possible (which usually is probably 90% or more of the fluid). The fluid then is safely in your brain, having shot up the spine, where it is more easily converted to electromagnetic energy.

 

If this doesn't happen and I end up going to sleep not having converted the jing to chi -- then usually in my dreams I will wake myself up right before losing a load. Usually in my dreams I'm shooting energy at people, flying, or if I get randy with a female -- I usually go into full-lotus in my dream.

 

Sometimes I will have an internal climax while asleep -- this is great. My back just arches and it all just shoots up my spine -- and of course since it's a dream that's very vivid, it's as real as the waking state. haha.

 

If I wake myself up before losing the load -- I just go right into full-lotus and then will actually climax with the "alchemical pill" safely tucked into my brain. haha. Then I can go safely back into sleep if I want.

 

Having said the above it's been longer than I can remember since I lost a full load. It really grows your hair great as well when you're constantly feeding it with the transduced electrochemicals of anerobic bacteria and sex hormones, etc.

 

ha!

[james]

Hi there, I would agree with one of the previous posters that if the kidney energy is strong there shouldnt be too many nocturnal emmisions depending on age ie it is fairly normal for early teenagers ect, my advice if you are having trouble and are serious about your practice would be to see a reputable experienced chinese herbalist, the pathology of nocturnal emmisions is certainly a broad subject within chinese medicine, there can be a number of reasons for it, but certainly the core of the problem is kidney energy unable to restrain the essence or jing, this can be a problem for people who do qi gong and build up their energy, the energy is generated but cannot be held and so results in wet dream, in the mean time cerainly do watch your diet, foods that are rich can cause problems if you cant digest them properly, I would say avoid greasy foods and dairy products high sugar fruits and alcohol, stick to lots of veggies and protein and some grains rice ect, certainly try to curb your sexual desire porn ect, but definately dont suppress your feelings this is very unhealthy, deprogram dont reprogram, being aware of the dream state is also very helpful but for some is not such an easy skill to learn, there are numerous techniques that can be applied to become more aware and lucid in your dreams. there are chinese herbal formulas you can buy over the internet that treat nocturnal emmision using astringent herbs and herbs for the kidneys but these sometimes are innafective because they dont fit your unique pattern so you are better of finding a good chinese herbalist that is reasonably priced, anyways hope theres something in my post thats helpful.

james

[林愛偉]

[exorcist_1699]

Please be reminded that having all jing changed to qi ,although not necessarily means you will lose your sexual capacity, it does imply that you lose your reproductive ability.

 

However, instead of producing a new life outside, you regenerate a new life inside yourself, a new life of higher level which is free of the limitation from yin and yang (female + male)... a secret key of taoist immortality.

 

As a superstitious , timid taoist coming from the Chinese tradition, never dare I explain so plainly and in such details as Dao Zhen did ... I bless him .

Edited May 5, 2008 by exorcist_1699

[Fire Dragon]

[yuanqi]

[dao zhen]

[seadog]

Dao Zhen.

I really enjoy reading your posts.Theres a quality of balance and serenity about your words which remind me of an beautiful autumn day

[Ian]

 

When passing this stage of Small Waterwheel, there are many signs that will present themselves.

 

1. Light will Flash Three Times.

2. Hui Yin Acupoint becomes very numb

3. White hair change to black.

4. Skin takes on a young quality like a baby.

5. Penis withdraws into the body, or female organ shrinks to become small, and breast becomes flat like the chest of a boy ~ Generally one will become like a young boy or girl again.

 

If these signs present themselves, and you do not fall into emptiness, the Yang Qi at this stage will change and will leave the body as an emission and you begin all over again.

 

 

Very interesting. I know a teacher who said that some of these things started happening to him, more or less by mistake, and it took him about three months to reverse it. There was a smell of eggs too, if I remember rightly.

[provs]

"Why do people experience nocturnal emission when engaged in these practices?

 

It has been my experience that these practices at one stage will greatly increase the hormone levels within the corporeal body, and also for men, it causes a huge volume of reproductive fluids to be produced. " - Dao Zhen

 

 

This has been my experience lately as I have intensified my practice.

I knew there was a link but until now have never heard anything said of this.

This will definitely help with the frustration that arises in the morning if I fail sublimate the energy before sleep.

 

Thank you Dao Zhen for sharing your wisdom, you speak from a compassionate place beyond dry concepts, and to you others for your posts as well.

 

Respectfully, provs

[Trunk]

I don't think the goal of forever-retention is healthy for most people, but...

..to where your still having sexual dreams at night. Is it even possible to preserve your essence?

before bed:

1) experiment with self-acupressure

2) stretching

 

These two are accessable and practical.

[Guest allan]

 

The sign that one has made some gain in transformation of Jing over a period of time, is generally one will stop to have dream activity. There is a great stillness in the sleep state ......

 

If fellow travelers have reached this stage, it is a real sign of progress.

 

dao zhen, how long have you been practising the meditation?

[Fire Dragon]

depends on what jing you are talking about. pre heaven, post heaven etc

jing isnt like qi in that it can be easily gained. the pre heaven comes from the parents at conception, post from the food, drink, air etc. pre matures into kidney essence at puberty. this is why, thru improper practice, people end up with alot of problems, one being nocturnal emissions as it is related to the kidney's as james stated above, although nocturnal emissions can be do to a few other things mostly it is due to a deficiency of the kidney qi, which can be broken down even further. isnt it amazing that people practice and practice and say they cultivate jing, but have kidney problems (in terms of chinese medicine), when in fact they should have very little issues with the kidney's. this is one way you can see if someone practices correctly or just thinks they are. LOL from a chinese medical point of view, you need to be in extreme balance to practice cultivating, most arent, especially here in america.

 

 

Thanks for this answer.

 

I wonder if somebody can list or describe the signs for proper versus improper practise related to the kidneys.

 

And a follow up question. Which Jing are reverted to chi or shen. pre or post heavenly Jing?

 

 

Sincerely F D

[voidisyinyang]

Actually you can rebuild jing by eating meat. But remember it just turns into sexual fluid UNLESS you ionize the energy through ultrasound to create blissful heat. I guess technically the blissful heat is the jing or "generative force" but NORMALLY it turns into generative fluid (I'm quoting TAOIST YOGA here).

 

So alchemy takes the "generative force" which normally is lost as generative fluid, causing ageing, and instead REVERSES it, through ionization, to create harmonized or synchronized light that is shot out of the pineal gland.

 

OR you can store up the light in your belly -- where you would NORMALLY be creating MORE jing by eating meat.

 

You can also create jing by sucking up the electrochemical energy of people around you who do not practice alchemy -- the full-lotus then takes that energy and shoots it back out into those people as love-light.

 

This is enabled once the "foundation is laid" -- again to quote Taoist Yoga by Charles Luk. So if you get to about chapter 8 of that book in practice then you'll have this ability.

[SmallFrameGrandUltimateFist]

I must say that the issue of celibacy and our ultimate goal is quite a tricky subject, I feel there really are only a few ways of going about it at least correctly. One is the Buddhist approach, (yes I know it may be the approach of others but it's just to make it easier to understand) that is vegetarian no food from the alium family garlic, leeks, onions, etc( as these produce sexual desire and anger). Heavy doses of meditation sensory fasting, vows of silence, etc. From my perspective this approach is not the way for us of the Tao. There are aspects of it that maybe useful, like the diet part, and the meditation part. However, we are not monks that live in temples correct? We are living in the world thats why they formed the methods of teh Tao. Taoists have always been somewhat at odds with buddhists. We live in the world, eat whatever suits us, have sex, enjoy life to the fullest, yet still reach attainment. This sounds like the obvious better way but one must understand one this right here and now, it is far easier to be holy while hiding behind well guarded temple walls with countless holy men about you than it is to be the lone ray of light in the sea of darkness, that by it's very nature seeks to snuff you out like a candle. That is us in the world. Celibacy to me means, not masturbating and wasting energy, or ejaculating period. However, we are living in the world we have jobs, drink soda, watch movies, see a girl walk by with huge boobs about to pop out of her shirt. That is why we must be ten times more stable than a monk who never exposes themselves to the world. I suggest you all think about what it means to be alive and to experience life. Practicing The Great Way does not mean running away from these things. Has anyone ever heard of the bedroom arts. Sex is actually quite beneficial, one does not ejaculate but brings their partner to orgasm many times over, in this way one can absorb yin essence to heal lost jing. Believe me I know this works from personal experience. Simply being celibate and doing nothing is like sitting on a time bomb which you add explosives to on a daily basis. The end result is inevitable. Now I never said its easy, mastering sex and lovemaking in this way takes some practice. And of course one must have a female partner that is very understanding and fully aware of what your goals are. So she knows not to overdue it and make you lose it.

 

Many of you may be too young to have had sex many of you may not be, but believe me the bedroom arts not only work, they bring a different type of satisfaction and vigor to our practice that simply is not available to those who do not have a woman. That is the healing yin essence. Woman do not lose their essence from orgasm and hence do not get depleted by this practice, on the contrary it is beneficial for both parties. As a man, it allows one to control their ejaculations and at the same time relieve pressures, much like after long meditation sessions, but also it makes the man a very very good lover in bed, which is usual something many women are not getting these days. I am not saying to you that I am right and you are wrong or anything like that, so don't get the wrong idea please. I am sharing what I have found to be true with you all. Because I hear what your all saying and I was very much like this myself in the past. Not ejaculating only to lose it at some point later on, one way or another and feel like a failure. I would go for a long time sometimes, months and months, as I train martial arts and mediation so the combined practices certainly do help to burn off excess and transmute, but believe me, we are human beings ok? Can we not agree that it is in our very DNA to mate and survive ? The two most ingrained things within us. No matter how you try if you do not form a loving relationship and experience that there will always be something missing no matter how high and holy a place you feel you've reached. I know this from experience, I've been there, training my Gong Fu and meditation long into the night, travelling through asia with no ties to bind me. But until I met my girlfriend of 3 years who I plan on marrying sometime soon, it was only as a burning candle is next the the rays of the sun. This is especially important for those of you who have masturbated alot, or tried and failed over and over. It is said do not be concerned with losing essence, be concerned with building up and losing essence. I believe this refers to the fact that normal people who don't even do what we do ejaculate regularly and hence to not have a megaton explosion like we do when they ejaculate, they let out a little at a time and live normally, we try to go all the way and when we fail, it's like a hundred ejaculations in one, so it is far more debilitating to our bodies.

 

All I know is all the practices of our minds should be understood by now, clear out emotions and negativity, be pure be clear, light and buoyant. But just remember that the Tao is the way of nature, in nature our goal is to find a mate and live on, it does not mean because we do this we cannot have a family and enjoy them, or make love to our partners. On the contrary doesn't it sound nice if you had a woman who understood you, understood what you're trying to do and was actually on board with you? Trained tai chi with you, did yoga with you, discussed The Way with you ? Overall this I must say would make even the most stoic of us very happy, so please there is no need to run away from the world, our world is beautiful if you choose to see it that way, I know there is evil out there but if you spend your life running from it you only succeed in missing out on the other side of it, and that would be a great shame.

[froggie]

This is best done while in full-lotus but can also be done through reverse-breathing and "flexing" the pineal gland.

 

is there 'a way to learn' flexing a pineal gland? (a straight up question)

and are there also things that could be said about it's benefits and possible cautions (if anything) by someone who can to do this?

[SmallFrameGrandUltimateFist]

I believe the closest thing to what your asking that I;ve heard of is called the khecavari or khecari mudra from Yoga, it involves elongating the tongue so that it may reach behind to tonsils and into the brain cavity, but if you study a simple anaotmy chart you will see that the pineal gland is part of the brain, so you tell me can you flex your brain, ummm probably not, and you know what alot of people who practice the Tao are kinda weird so for those don't take offense but if you have ever heard the saying those seeking the way are like the hairs on a bull and the horns are those who achieve it, this not only refers to the fact that true attainment is very rare but also that the people who practice the right way are also quite few, so you really should use your logic, because I can say all kind of weird thing and tell you to do strange stuff like hang weights off your nuts and flex your brain but, I am not one to say irresponsible things like that, I would say those types of practices would probably injure you and cause madness. True Tao is simple just be clear and pure and aware, don't think too much, and it will come.