A 16 year old needs help! (Solved)

[Aar0n]

Hello, my name is Aaron, I'm a 16 year old kid from Venezuela, I was on a journey to limit all distractions so I could focus more on my studies and stuff, and in my journey I wanted to control my sexual urges and stuff so I could quit pornography, and so I stumbled upon Mantak Chia's "The Multi-Orgasmic Man" and "Taoist Secrets of Love", I started bit by bit doing the practices, and they worked for a while, then one night, it was like 2 a.m; I was practicing the big draw and I guess I successfully did it because my head felt hot and so I moved the energy down to my navel as the book said, but then that night I really didn't sleep much, I had forgotten the warning about to not do it at night and stuff, and so I'm like ok it's alright, I went to sleep at 6 a.m. after practicing the big draw for a while, and then went to sleep to wake up at 8:40 a.m. because I didn't want to miss breakfast and I also had to do some other stuff, so you see, I'm not planning on practicing anymore for like 2 days because I'm thinking that the body is trying to adapt to this new energy, and then like 1 or 2 days later after that, I go ahead and do a cool draw, then I'm going to do 13 scrotal compressions (my high score), and then suddenly, at the 6th or 7th scrotal compression, my head felt overwhelmed and so I'm like alright this is it, something happened and I'm not feeling too normal, and I was right, that day after doing that, I felt on edge and I felt like random cold sensations on my navel and my back, kind of like just the whole microcosmic orbit, but it was automatic, and it was scaring me because I had never felt like this, and so when I go to sleep, I'm having crazy trouble falling asleep, I'm getting cold sensations, when I am completely relaxed I get cold sensations near my navel, and so I'm like this is definitely not normal, I made a mistake, so I'm like damn ok what can I do, I try rocking my spine back and forth and stuff to see if it's just blocked channels, and nope, so I just go ahead and sleep with my mom because I'm really just feeling on edge and actually just trying to relax and not try to think about it too much, after a bit of research, I find out that Mantak Chia's system is fucked up! And that Qi should never be forced! So I'm like damn that's the exact opposite of the big draw and well almost every major practice in that book, and I'm like ok then but I want to see now what can I do to like fix this, I'm not even like getting suicidal thoughts or doing dangerous shit, I just have crazy insomnia when I go to sleep at night and I feel cold sensations near my navel and stuff, I can sleep during the day, afternoon naps, I feel refreshed and really well after taking an afternoon nap, and I only feel relaxed after like 4 a.m. at night!

So basically from what I've gathered that could help me is

- Forget everything about Qigong, stop all practices and stop worrying about all of that stuff and keep living my life relaxed

- Exercise is good, I do exercise very regularly so I'm good with that, same with stretching, I exercise for about 2 and a half hours really well.

- Seek help from a person who knows accupunture or a herbalist (This is super difficult and a bit expensive for me because of where I live, Venezuela.)

 

So I'm currently just doing my regular exercise routines, my post exercise stretching, I definitely do not feel anything weird or strange during the day, just a bit of exhaustion because of sleeping too little.

I do not have social media, I do not drink coffee, or smoke, or do drugs, or chronically masturbate, and I'm in the process of quitting pornography (I'm almost there let's goo!!)

I'm a healthy kid, I do not stress or worry or complain too much but I made a mistake practicing this spiritual exercises from books and not from an actual teacher!, Anyways, I want to see what else could people from the community aid me with to overcome this temporary adversity, all I'm hoping is that no permanent damage has been done and that I can return to how I was before practicing anything.

By the way, I only practiced testicle breathing, microcosmic orbit, scrotal compression for like 20 days, everything smooth, and then I practiced the big draw and now I'm in this little struggle, but I have faith that everything will be alright and I believe that I'll be alright by stopping all these practices and never again reading any books about spiritual things like these instead of seeking a teacher, I'll keep living life relaxed, and I just want to sleep again like how I used to

 

Edited October 12, 2022 by Aar0n
Update on situation (Solved)

[ilumairen]

10 hours ago, Aar0n said:

-Forget everything about Qigong, stop all practices and stop worrying about all of that stuff and keep living my life relaxed

- Exercise is good, I do exercise very regularly so I'm good with that, same with stretching, I exercise for about 2 and a half hours really well.

- Seek help from a person who knows accupunture or a herbalist (This is super difficult and a bit expensive for me because of where I live, Venezuela)

Hi Aar0n, the top one is what I have seen recommended most often in situations similar to yours. 
 

The guys should be along shortly… 

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

11 hours ago, Aar0n said:

Hello, my name is Aaron, I'm a 16 year old kid from Venezuela, I was on a journey to limit all distractions so I could focus more on my studies and stuff, and in my journey I wanted to control my sexual urges and stuff so I could quit pornography, and so I stumbled upon Mantak Chia's "The Multi-Orgasmic Man" and "Taoist Secrets of Love", I started bit by bit doing the practices, and they worked for a while, then one night, it was like 2 a.m; I was practicing the big draw and I guess I successfully did it because my head felt hot and so I moved the energy down to my navel as the book said, but then that night I really didn't sleep much, I had forgotten the warning about to not do it at night and stuff, and so I'm like ok it's alright, I went to sleep at 6 a.m. after practicing the big draw for a while, and then went to sleep to wake up at 8:40 a.m. because I didn't want to miss breakfast and I also had to do some other stuff, so you see, I'm not planning on practicing anymore for like 2 days because I'm thinking that the body is trying to adapt to this new energy, and then like 1 or 2 days later after that, I go ahead and do a cool draw, then I'm going to do 13 scrotal compressions (my high score), and then suddenly, at the 6th or 7th scrotal compression, my head felt overwhelmed and so I'm like alright this is it, something happened and I'm not feeling too normal, and I was right, that day after doing that, I felt on edge and I felt like random cold sensations on my navel and my back, kind of like just the whole microcosmic orbit, but it was automatic, and it was scaring me because I had never felt like this, and so when I go to sleep, I'm having crazy trouble falling asleep, I'm getting cold sensations, when I am completely relaxed I get cold sensations near my navel, and so I'm like this is definitely not normal, I made a mistake, so I'm like damn ok what can I do, I try rocking my spine back and forth and stuff to see if it's just blocked channels, and nope, so I just go ahead and sleep with my mom because I'm really just feeling on edge and actually just trying to relax and not try to think about it too much, after a bit of research, I find out that Mantak Chia's system is fucked up! And that Qi should never be forced! So I'm like damn that's the exact opposite of the big draw and well almost every major practice in that book, and I'm like ok then but I want to see now what can I do to like fix this, I'm not even like getting suicidal thoughts or doing dangerous shit, I just have crazy insomnia when I go to sleep at night and I feel cold sensations near my navel and stuff, I can sleep during the day, afternoon naps, I feel refreshed and really well after taking an afternoon nap, and I only feel relaxed after like 4 a.m. at night!

So basically from what I've gathered that could help me is

- Forget everything about Qigong, stop all practices and stop worrying about all of that stuff and keep living my life relaxed

- Exercise is good, I do exercise very regularly so I'm good with that, same with stretching, I exercise for about 2 and a half hours really well.

- Seek help from a person who knows accupunture or a herbalist (This is super difficult and a bit expensive for me because of where I live, Venezuela.)

 

So I'm currently just doing my regular exercise routines, my post exercise stretching, I definitely do not feel anything weird or strange during the day, just a bit of exhaustion because of sleeping too little.

I do not have social media, I do not drink coffee, or smoke, or do drugs, or chronically masturbate, and I'm in the process of quitting pornography (I'm almost there let's goo!!)

I'm a healthy kid, I do not stress or worry or complain too much but I made a mistake practicing this spiritual exercises from books and not from an actual teacher!, Anyways, I want to see what else could people from the community aid me with to overcome this temporary adversity, all I'm hoping is that no permanent damage has been done and that I can return to how I was before practicing anything.

By the way, I only practiced testicle breathing, microcosmic orbit, scrotal compression for like 20 days, everything smooth, and then I practiced the big draw and now I'm in this little struggle, but I have faith that everything will be alright and I believe that I'll be alright by stopping all these practices and never again reading any books about spiritual things like these instead of seeking a teacher, I'll keep living life relaxed, and I just want to sleep again like how I used to

 

Send a message to 小梦想 and zen-bear, they might be able to help you.

[terry]

If you persist in meditation practices eventually you will find that just sitting and thinking no thoughts is the way.

[searcher7977]

26 minutes ago, terry said:

If you persist in meditation practices eventually you will find that just sitting and thinking no thoughts is the way.

 

This is absolutely not correct, and dangerous to even to suggest to someone who is already experiencing negative effects. 

 

 

 

 

[Aar0n]

I figured that I'm unable to sleep at night a bit because of shortness of breath, so last night I just relaxed and I fell asleep just right! I slept like 5 hours and that's wayyy better than 2 days ago, so I guess it's going away easily and wasn't anything too serious, I'm not planning on meditating again for a while, I'll get back to it after I know that I've been good and normally like how I used to (my meditation used to be just deep breathing or just counting breathing from 1 to 10 then again for 20 minutes or so)

 

Edit: The "cold sensations" near my navel are gone, and last night I could sleep just fine because I realized that the reason why I got anxious and stuff was because I was waaay too sleepy and so I was falling asleep faster and I didn't adjust my breathing so I felt out of breath and then I was awake again, I know I was too sleepy because of the twitching of legs and stuff when you're entering NREM sleep, I'm feeling no pain and nothing hurts and my attitude has been just fine! I'm feeling like how I used to before any practice and the only thing that seems off is just the fact that I have not slept fully haha, it's all good now! 

Edited October 11, 2022 by Aar0n
Update on situation

[Cobie]

14 hours ago, Aar0n said:

… Forget everything about Qigong, stop all practices and stop worrying about all of that stuff and keep living my life relaxed … 

Good thinking, that’s what I would recommend too. 

 

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… Qi should never be forced! 

 

Exactly.

Welcome to the forum Aar0n. Glad to hear it’s all good now. 

 

Edited October 11, 2022 by Cobie

[terry]

3 hours ago, searcher7977 said:

 

This is absolutely not correct, and dangerous to even to suggest to someone who is already experiencing negative effects. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't suggest anything.

 

Just spoke truth.

 

And besides, any advice other than "just sit" is simply gilding lilies and promoting the same.

 

Of course the problem is doing practices and the solution is to stop doing them.

 

And just sit.

 

 

[Neirong]

You have not developed any serious issues, yet, just stop overthinking stuff.

 

Practicing out of books is a bad idea in general, that is not only true for Mantak, but for any book.

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

2 hours ago, Aar0n said:

I figured that I'm unable to sleep at night a bit because of shortness of breath, so last night I just relaxed and I fell asleep just right! I slept like 5 hours and that's wayyy better than 2 days ago, so I guess it's going away easily and wasn't anything too serious, I'm not planning on meditating again for a while, I'll get back to it after I know that I've been good and normally like how I used to (my meditation used to be just deep breathing or just counting breathing from 1 to 10 then again for 20 minutes or so)

 

Edit: The "cold sensations" near my navel are gone, and last night I could sleep just fine because I realized that the reason why I got anxious and stuff was because I was waaay too sleepy and so I was falling asleep faster and I didn't adjust my breathing so I felt out of breath and then I was awake again, I know I was too sleepy because of the twitching of legs and stuff when you're entering NREM sleep, I'm feeling no pain and nothing hurts and my attitude has been just fine! I'm feeling like how I used to before any practice and the only thing that seems off is just the fact that I have not slept fully haha, it's all good now! 

Glad to hear you are better now Aar0n! I suggest you take a break from any cultivation for a while, and when you are ready find a good online teacher so you can learn properly. Let me know if you would like any recommendations on a teacher.

[Mango]

19 hours ago, Aar0n said:

I wanted to control my sexual urges and stuff so I could quit pornography,

 

Quitting pornography is a good start to minimizing sexual urges. Your urge was caused by thinking about it to provoke your desire. Stay away from "The Multi-Orgasmic Man" and "Taoist Secrets of Love". I had read that they had screwed up many teenagers. They cause lots of small illnesses, especially, insomnia, and shortness of breath. Shortness of breath will make you sick and even might kill you. It will ruin your personality and give you a miserable life.

Practice Qigong is good for your health. However, you must choose the correct one. When someone tells you about Qigong it might not be it. If you don't know anything about Qigong, don't start on your own. You might not know what you are going into. At your age, you must learn to distinguish what is right or wrong. If you don't know, then, find out.

Edited October 12, 2022 by Mango

[Aar0n]

Update on my situation:

 

So.. last night I slept like a baby! I slept my full 8 hours of sleep, no nightmares, no waking up in between, smooth repairing sleep, so I guess I'm alright now. I'll still be taking a break from meditating and that stuff for a while, but I'm happy that everything is fine now.

 

What I did was:

I tried my best to not think about Qigong and not relate everything I was going through to it

I kept my faith and believed everything was going to be ok

Exercise and not running away from my responsibilities to take away my mind from anxiety and worry, and also to kind of just, exhaust myself so I could fall asleep faster

On the nights I had intense anxiety, I kept my peace and faith it was going to be alright, and I slept with my mom, but you can just listen to a podcast or a relaxing youtube video or whatever, I don't think watching something until your anxiety is gone will help you, the point is to relax yourself

 

Thank you everybody, I'm alright now! If I do come back to practicing Qigong, I'll do the correct thing (seek a teacher) and not repeat the same mistake again, this was a great life lesson for me and I learned a lot from it.

Thank you!

[thelerner]

On 10/11/2022 at 2:07 PM, Aar0n said:

I figured that I'm unable to sleep at night a bit because of shortness of breath, so last night I just relaxed and I fell asleep just right! I slept like 5 hours and that's wayyy better than 2 days ago, so I guess it's going away easily and wasn't anything too serious, I'm not planning on meditating again for a while, I'll get back to it after I know that I've been good and normally like how I used to (my meditation used to be just deep breathing or just counting breathing from 1 to 10 then again for 20 minutes or so)

 

For better sleep you might want to try Yoga Nidras.  They're guided meditations from the yogic tradition.  Relaxing the body, piece by piece.  Many available for free, just google it.  Tons of choices and styles at: https://www.yoganidranetwork.org/nidras/

 

When practice gets too strange, hot or energetic.. it's often a sign to back off.  Stop, slow down or find a competent teacher.  That and ground- walking quietly, particularly in nature or near water.  Exercise can help too. 

Edited October 12, 2022 by thelerner