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[Cobie]

@Mango Nice talking to you. 

[Mango]

I will rest my case as I had done on many occasions.

[Cobie]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

I will rest my case as I had done on many occasions.

And many happy returns. 

[Nungali]

Okay , so since a semi Daoist spends 8 hrs a day doing 'the chore'  (  ????    )  at the shrine , no, no one here is a true Daoist  ....  Taoist , as they would not be off line for so long in one stretch .

 

Oh wait .... does this Taoist  shrine have internet  ? 

[Cobie]

There’s a mix up of English and Chinese meanings. 
 

 

Edited October 22, 2022 by Cobie

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Nungali said:

Okay , so since a semi Daoist spends 8 hrs a day doing 'the chore'  (  ????    )  at the shrine , no, no one here is a true Daoist  ....  Taoist , as they would not be off line for so long in one stretch .

 

Oh wait .... does this Taoist  shrine have internet  ? 

The Chinese community is very up today. Of course, there is internet in the shrines and temples. They are using it as their primary source of income.

[Nungali]

How does a Taoist shrine get money from having an internet connection  ? 

 

Dont tell me Taoist monks are in there 'gaming' .... please dont tell me that .

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Nungali said:

How does a Taoist shrine get money from having an internet connection  ? 

 

Dont tell me Taoist monks are in there 'gaming' .... please dont tell me that .

They are making the sale of merchandise just like Amazon on the internet.  The government is trying the crack them down.

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

There’s a mix up of English and Chinese meanings. 
 

 

 

In china, a goat is a sheep     

 

- To be translated into Chinese  ;

 

" Hey LIng !   Can you please separate that goat out from the sheep  and   and put him in his own paddock ."

 

'Separate that sheep out from the other sheep ?  Which one ?  "

 

" THAT sheep there , the one that looks different to all the others, that sheep with  the big horns and the little  goaty ... I mean little 'sheepy' beard  on his chin . " 

 

( private DBs joke  about the response I got when asking about  'sheep/goat' in Chinese astrology   .... ie.   said DBs 'expert' that deigned to inform me of my ignorance  had no  绵 or 綿  concept    

 

- me so dumb - thank God for educamaction I be getting from Daobums .  )

[Nungali]

5 minutes ago, Mango said:

They are making the sale of merchandise just like Amazon on the internet.  The government is trying the crack them down.

 

Ahhh ... the temple has a website and they sell 'temple type stuff' over the internet .

 

On another matter .... here is my most recent joke (its a bad one , of course  )    ;

 

Yes ,   Hu Jintao did have to leave party congress  because he 'was not feeling well ' .    YOU would 'not feel well '  either,  if  you just found out you where going to be executed .

[Mango]

11 minutes ago, Nungali said:

In china, a goat is a sheep     

 

- To be translated into Chinese  ;

In China, a goat is not a sheep.
A goat is a 山羊(mountain goat).
A sheep is a 綿羊.

[Nungali]

53 minutes ago, Mango said:

In China, a goat is not a sheep.
A goat is a 山羊(mountain goat).
A sheep is a 綿羊.

 

 

Yeah .   But  I was told  ( by an 'educated ' Daobum )  the reason a goat and sheep is interchangeable in Chinese astrology is that in Chinese language  they  use the same term for goat and sheep .

 

What probably is meant is that   羊 is a name for  'Caprinae'        

 

So, what is your take on the goat / sheep interchange in Chinese astrology ?    Something to do with north and south  culture / languages ?

 

 

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Edited October 23, 2022 by Nungali

[Mango]

10 minutes ago, Nungali said:

Yeah .   But  I was told  ( by an 'educated ' Daobum )  the reason a goat and sheep is interchangeable in Chinese astrology is that in Chinese language  they  use the same term for goat and sheep .

 

What probably is meant is that   羊 is a name for  'Caprinae'     

You were told by a Daobum, not so educated, alright!
I know the problem lies here and knew it was coming. 

FYI In Chinese, there is a given name for each animal but unisex, unlike in English. A 'Caprinae' is 鹿(deer) not 羊.
All the animals are classified by group name. In order to distinguish each kind by a modifier in front of the character.

In the case of 羊:
山羊: goat
綿羊: sheep
羚羊: antelope

馬: horse
蒙古馬: Monogolian horse
英國馬: English horse
美國馬: Americal horse
西班牙馬: Spanish horse

[Mango]

44 minutes ago, Nungali said:

So, what is your take on the goat / sheep interchange in Chinese astrology ?    Something to do with north and south  culture / languages ?

It has nothing to do with culture or language. It is only a matter of understanding the culture and language.

[Master Logray]

1st time encounter this word "道徒"。

 

[Mango]

8 hours ago, Master Logray said:

1st time encounter this word "道徒"。

 

 

It means：

The followers of Tao.

The one who follows the principles of Tao.

The deciples of Tao.

Edited October 23, 2022 by Mango

[Cobie]

20 hours ago, Nungali said:

.. 绵 or 綿  ..

绵 simplified 

綿 traditional 

(adjective) soft

 

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by Cobie

[Cobie]

 

19 hours ago, Nungali said:

… goat and sheep is interchangeable in Chinese astrology …  羊 is a name for  'Caprinae' …

 

Yes. Number 8 of the Chinese zodiac is 羊 yang2 - caprinae.

 

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by Cobie

[Cobie]

18 hours ago, Mango said:

All the animals are classified by group name. In order to distinguish each kind by a modifier in front of the character.

In the case of 羊:
山羊: goat
綿羊: sheep

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by Cobie

[Cobie]

道徒 dao4 tu2 - Taoist, participant of Taoism or some religious superstitious organization.

https://www-zdic-net.translate.goog/hans/道徒?_x_tr_sl=zh-CN&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by Cobie

[Cobie]

 

23 hours ago, Nungali said:

… a semi Daoist spends 8 hrs a day doing 'the chore' … at the shrine …

 

My guess is:

 

(1)

道人 dao4 ren0 or 道士 dao4 shi0  - Taoist priest (真人 zhen1 fen2 - high-ranking priest)

Taoist priest 

an ascetic; not married; 

lives in the Taoist shrine 24/7

follows the principles of Tao

(2)

道徒 dao4 tu2 - Taoist, follower of Taoism

 

Religious Taoist 

not an ascetic; may be married; 

lives in his own home; has a secular job to make a living; visits the shrine

follows the principles of Tao

Secular Taoist 

only follows the principles of Tao but is nonreligious. 

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by Cobie

[Cobie]

@Mango thanks for corroborating.  
 

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by Cobie

[Cobie]

I think we can forget about the 道徒 meaning ‘Semi-Taoist’.  
 

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by Cobie

[Cobie]

10 hours ago, Master Logray said:

1st time encounter this word "道徒"。

That’s very interesting. What characters do you use for followers of Taoism? 
 

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by Cobie

[Nungali]

Semi-Taoist ;  a long haul truck driver that follows the easiest most direct route